Gauss Rifle question

Raksha · Post by **Raksha** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:46 pm

Bozar because the ammo is cheap, common, relatively light-weight, and it slices through your enemies like a plastic surgeon's scalpel through celebrity breasts just before he shoves in the implants.

It's combines efficiency and stylishness, in other words.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:16 pm

The ammo ain't really that cheap or common in my opinion, at least when compared to the amount Bozar chuncks it through in one burst.

60 rnds per clip, 30 rnds per burst which means 2 bursts for one clip. And if you're a low luck character, you have a big chance to miss the first time or do really low damage, so it's usually good to fire twice.

Ok, so 60 rnds of .223 FMJ in Fallout world is really expensive. And it's not common to just find, it's common if you have the money to buy it and capability to carry it around. Because it's heavy. Damage efficiency not included, shotgun shells for example are far more better than .223 FMJ. Cheaper, lighter and more common.

I too love Bozar but I have to start collecting ammo for it since the early stages of the game and I still run easily out of ammo when I really get into fighting. It's hunk of a gun that sure kills anything in sight, but has it's price.

Raksha · Post by **Raksha** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:51 pm

Kashluk wrote: Ok, so 60 rnds of .223 FMJ in Fallout world is really expensive. And it's not common to just find, it's common if you have the money to buy it and capability to carry it around.

Which was my point. Why do you think I was logging Marcus around, if not to carry things for me? And you don't buy it, you steal it. Naturally. Why else would you have that skill there in the first place?

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:52 pm

Well... I usually don't bother with steal, I take gamble and just buy everything that comes along

It's pretty fun with 900 000 000 caps, you should try it.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:13 am

Kashluk wrote:Ok, so 60 rnds of .223 FMJ in Fallout world is really expensive. And it's not common to just find, it's common if you have the money to buy it and capability to carry it around. Because it's heavy. Damage efficiency not included, shotgun shells for example are far more better than .223 FMJ. Cheaper, lighter and more common.

.223 is actually lighter and less expensive than shotgun shells. They both have the same damage mod (1/1), but .223 has better mods in other areas.

.223 FMJ wrote: Weight: 2 (For 50)
AC Mod: -20
DR Mod: -20
DMG Mod: 1/1
Price: 200

Shotgun Shells wrote: Weight: 1
AC Mod: -10
DMG Mod: 1/1
Price: 225

I got these numbers from the Fallout 2 items database at NMA, but these are in pretty much in line with what I remember from the game.

Pialojo · Post by **Pialojo** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:14 am

Franz_Schubert wrote:Serious question: Why do people seem to think that the turbo plasma rifle is so great? I've used it many times with an energy weapons character, and in my experiences it simply isn't as consistent as the gauss weapons, nor does it even do as much damage on the criticals.

Umm... apart from the pulse rifle its the best gun in the game. I pretty much always take a big energy weapons character but I've also done small guns and I find that the plasma rifle is way better than any small gun. If you have sniper and better criticals you can kill an enclave trooper in one shoot - just aim for their eyes and I either did enough damage to kill them or I did like 70 damage but they died instantly because of better criticals' instant death thingy. The pulse rifle does more damage but it's also less acurate if you're skills aren't great plus I don't get as many instant deaths with it. The gauss rifle is good and all but it just doesn't do as much damage and not as many instant deaths, which is fair enough because to be good with plasma or pulse rifle you have to invest in two skills so obviously the payoff will be greater.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:12 am

Damn... it IS lighter and cheaper. Hm... but it's still more rare and Bozar sure as hell chuncks through all your ammo no matter how much you got

Shadow Phoenix · Post by **Shadow Phoenix** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:23 pm

Franz_Schubert wrote:Bozar? Why? The vindicator does like 300-900 damage. Though sometimes the caseless bullets can be hard to find.

Aimed shot with Bozar to the eyes;
do I have to say more?

Negadas · Post by **Negadas** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:01 pm

An aimed shot to the eyes with a pulse rifle.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:31 pm

You can't aim with bozar.

It's fires bursts.

Raksha · Post by **Raksha** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:19 pm

Kashluk wrote:Damn... it IS lighter and cheaper. Hm... but it's still more rare and Bozar sure as hell chuncks through all your ammo no matter how much you got

See? It is rare, but occassionally even I know what I'm talking about!

And if you compare it to the ammunition needed for the other big guns, it is still lighter and chaper, but still at least as effective.

And if we are talking about aimed shots to the eyes, I'll simply point to the .233 pistol, and rest my case.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:29 pm

Yeah... but then again .223 pistol doesn't have bursts, only single shots.

You can't do aimed shots with bursts, can you??

Raksha · Post by **Raksha** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:58 pm

What would be the point of called shots with something that works like a bozar? When you face a crowd of opponents, aim for that cowardly guy hiding behind his friends, tenderly squeeze the trigger, and watch your selected target take all of five points of damage... but everything between you and him has been sliced to fine pieces by a spray of lovely bozar fire. Next round, shoot the surviving coward in the head with your .233, and proceed to loot the bodies.

Called/Aimed shots are not what the bozar is intended for. You can switch to single bullet shots with it and then aim if you like, but the results are laughable. Or lethal, depending on your point of view. I wouldn't recommend it at all.

And that's why you carry the .233 pistol with you, in case that wasn't obvious.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:28 pm

I don't even think .223 is significantly more rare than shotgun shells. I think most stores that sell one will probably sell the other. It might be less common to find on people, but by the time you get the Bozar, you can find all the .223 you need.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:46 pm

Well Raksha, I was just replying to Shadowy Penis:

Aimed shot with Bozar to the eyes;
do I have to say more?

And Doyle... When I come to think of it, you might be right. In every one of my game I've been collecting as much .223 as possible, buying it from every possible shop etc and it's actually found from pretty much the same places as shotgun shells.

Though it's never enough for me, that's something I still disagree (the only statement I have left, duh) with. 4000 rnds is a quickie when you hit a few unity patrols.

Raksha · Post by **Raksha** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:51 pm

And I was agreeing with you, you can't aim with a gun set to burst mode. However, since I'm talkative, I moved on to explain why you don't have to

I'll stick by and defend the .233 to the bitter end, or at least until I run out of ammo. I like that gun.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:59 pm

It was great in FO1 but nothing special in FO2 in my opinion. Just another pistol amongst the others. Who could bother with pistols anyways when you had rifles and machineguns?

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:55 pm

One word, Kashluk... style. In my opinion, the .223 pistol is way more stylish than the gauss pistol, but the gauss pistol does WAY more damage, and it takes less action points

Also, the Bozar is the only big gun that can both burst and aim. But if I'm investing in both Big guns and Little guns, I would rather use a Vindicator in one hand and a Gauss Rifle in the other.

Raksha · Post by **Raksha** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:26 am

I tried that once... and I still haven't managed to find enough ammonution for the Vindicator. A shame, because it certainly was effective... but I will stick with the combination of Bozar and .233, I think. If nothing else because that means I will only have to stock up on one kind of ammunition. But the most important reason is of course the one Franz just mentioned.

Style.

Naturally.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:09 pm

CAN you aim with bozar? I really can't remember if it's possible.