Yet Another Reason to be Atheist

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:01 am

wouldn't the salt just eat up the shit and not like..do anything?

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:16 am

If god (that asshole doesn't deserve to have his name capitalized) really existed, he'd regret all of your existences.

Cults are funny.

A bunch of Mormons tried selling me their bullshit cult today. I wouldn't have none o' that shit. I made them eat their Church of Latterday Saints tie for breafkast.

And yes, I said breafkast. Are you happy?

iohkus · Post by **iohkus** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:53 am

fucking A vibrating dingdong

i think i had a jehova's witness come to my door once i was like "i have to like ... bye"

was fun

the guardian · Post by **the guardian** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:42 pm

Once again for your pleasure: Angsty anti-religious comments! Can't buy that on Hallmark! Ha ha!

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:21 pm

I have no idea why they took away Guardian's modship. Hell, make that man an admin! We'll finally have some fun around here!

And about God, well, I'm not stupid or arrogant enough to make any foolish statements concerning his existence. That's just asking for trouble. I find I just don't agree with him and what his Church is saying. I support gay marriage and rights (yea cuz i r teh GHEY lollin'). I'm pro-choice vis-a-vis abortion (see, I'm a prostitute, right, and I keep an edge on the competition by taking in unprotected clients, so I take regular trips to the Coathanger Clinic to make sure things are okay). And I certainly don't need any scripture telling me to stone people with tattoos or somesuch.

So basically, God can exist or not exist--doesn't really matter. I don't bear Him any ill will or good beyond the respect such a major faith's beliefs is due. But I'm not going to pray to Him or beg for His forgiveness or anything.

For the ultra-conservatives out there, yes, TV, video games and Dungeons & Dragons did indeed turn me away from God.

Burnov · Post by **Burnov** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:12 pm

Oh come on now. Every other jesus freak looks to religion as a scapegoat answer to complex questions. It's why most religions in the eyes of sensible people have very little credibility because of the vast majority of screaming morons out there who will use religion as an excuse for everything.

I do know that the bush administration was probably rubbing their grubby little palms together and smiling gleefully when they heard the news. I heard they sent some paltry token to help aid the iranians. You can't buy that sort of publicity opportunity.

American Tourister · Post by **American Tourister** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 12:18 am

I didn't come up with this, but will present it for your consideration:

"The world's religions can't all be right, but they can all be wrong."

Doesn't the burden of proof rest on those who would assert the validity
of any particular religious belief, rather than on those who would deny it?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:04 am

American Tourister wrote:Doesn't the burden of proof rest on those who would assert the validity of any particular religious belief, rather than on those who would deny it?

Which would make that a fool hardy statement as you can neither REALLY prove or disprove god. Yes, I realize we can go into endless conversations about this, but its been done before and most likely better. Its called faith and thats that. If you don't have it, good for you, if you do, equally as good for you. So how about we just leave it at that instead of making stupid blanket statements "God is gay! hur hur!" or "Atheists are morons" cause its just a stupid argument that gets old, real quick. Kinda like this topic.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:23 am

50 cent got shot 20 times. In the balls.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:28 am

Guess thats why he's only worth half as much.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:23 am

The issue is not to find proof of God's existance. If you ask someone why they believe in god, you will usually get something like this: "It's called faith, you have to have faith."

Well, the question I have is this: What made you start having "faith"? What is different about you than someone who doesn't have "faith"?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:20 am

Well your questions can be asked to anyone, such as, "What made you stop having faith". Its simple, you decided to. It doesn't make you a better person, or a worse person. Really, I'de rather have the way you live speak more then any religion belief. However, when you say something like "Yea, I'm Christian" you immediately receive nice blanket terms or are judged soley because of your religious affiliation (or in your case, non-affiliation). Ofcourse it also applies to atheists as well because if your around some stupid bible thumpers who think a bible should speak louder then their own action you get the same treatment. Its stupid, senseless, and should end. Akin to this thread before arguing ensues, because I'm quite certain some people can't hold back with the "U r gay" comments.

The Gaijin · Post by **The Gaijin** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:31 am

Franz_Schubert wrote:Well, the question I have is this: What made you start having "faith"? What is different about you than someone who doesn't have "faith"?

I used to have faith--for two years I was a devout Christian...and I mean devout. I prayed nightly. I read the Bible everyday. Everything I did and thought was in a "Godly" frame of mind. What made me lose faith? I just started getting the impression that no one cared and no one was listening. I guess the difference between someone with faith and someone without faith is just that; the person with faith feels God/Allah/whatever is still paying attention.

American Tourister · Post by **American Tourister** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:11 am

Sorry if I upset your dinner, Wolfman.
However my comment was not directed at the generic question of "Is there a god/gods/great spirit?" but to the evaluation of SPECIFIC religious beliefs.

Like when someone comes to your door and says,"I worship Baal and he says the world is flat and you should worship him too." Right away I would ask them, "What is your evidence that the world is flat?" If they don't have a good answer, then it's K THNX BYE.

In my neck of the woods there are alot of, as you put it, bible-thumpers who seem to think the earth is only 6000 years old and the dinosaurs died in Noah's flood. They get pretty upset if challenged to offer evidence for such beliefs, because they just have faith that the Bible is literally true, and they really don't want to think about some of the consequences of that belief.

What I am trying to say, maybe not very well, is that everything should be put to the test of reality, for lack of a better word. That includes any specific religious belief, or dogmatic scientific statements for that matter. IMHO blind faith in anything, without a "reality check", can and has lead people into some bad territory, such as the Jim Jones cult in Guyana(remember him?) or the Comet Cult about 5 years ago, or National Socialism in Germany for that matter.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:12 am

Well, most of the members of modern world religions today follow practical science in their every-day life, religion only affects the spiritual things. Meaning rituals at home, dinner, certain rites of passage (weddings, funerals...) and so on. If you ask a member of a religious order, is the world flat, he will most likely answer no. And on the other way around - if you ask a professor of a highly respected university, does he believe in some higher power, he will most likely answer yes (approx. 88% of the world population have faith in *something*).

Blind faith is never good. Even though many disagree with me on this, I've always thought that the most important thing a Christian can do, is question. Question anything and everything. If you don't ask the questions, you will get no answers and without answers you're just mindless cattle, a sheep, that can be mislead. Sure, that doesn't sound much of a faith, but if you get a positive answers for your questioning, you will be more of a believer than you were before.

And read philosophy. Especially Wittgenstein, Spinoza and Descartes. It'll give you an image of people who questioned faith and even though everyone blamed them from blasphemy & wanted to burn them on stake at that time, they ended up only stronger in their faith. These men were scientists and artists, who simply didn't follow the orders coming from a normal person, who thinks he is the messanger of God on Earth. They wanted to know things, like why do bad things happen. They didn't just take the answer "He has mysterious ways" or other bullshit, they began observing human beings and made conclusions of our psychology. Still, they were devoted Christians.

Turan · Post by **Turan** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:00 am

Spazmo wrote:I have no idea why they took away Guardian's modship. Hell, make that man an admin! We'll finally have some fun around here!

And about God, well, I'm not stupid or arrogant enough to make any foolish statements concerning his existence. That's just asking for trouble. I find I just don't agree with him and what his Church is saying. I support gay marriage and rights (yea cuz i r teh GHEY lollin'). I'm pro-choice vis-a-vis abortion (see, I'm a prostitute, right, and I keep an edge on the competition by taking in unprotected clients, so I take regular trips to the Coathanger Clinic to make sure things are okay). And I certainly don't need any scripture telling me to stone people with tattoos or somesuch.

So basically, God can exist or not exist--doesn't really matter. I don't bear Him any ill will or good beyond the respect such a major faith's beliefs is due. But I'm not going to pray to Him or beg for His forgiveness or anything.

For the ultra-conservatives out there, yes, TV, video games and Dungeons & Dragons did indeed turn me away from God.

http://www.uua.org/

They are like the crazy bizzaro-world version of religion.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:47 am

Kashluk wrote:Even though many disagree with me on this, I've always thought that the most important thing a Christian can do, is question. Question anything and everything.

Yes the Church loves that. They used to reward inquisitive-minded people, like Copernicus, and Galileo.

Kashluk wrote:If you don't ask the questions, you will get no answers and without answers you're just mindless cattle, a sheep, that can be mislead.

The Bible constantly refers to people as sheep.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:12 pm

Uh, you're point being..? ( Other than desperately trying to be funny on a gaming forum's topic about religion? )

the guardian · Post by **the guardian** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:37 pm

What's the point of being sarcastic.... Hmm...

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:40 pm

You are an idiot, Kashluk.