Druuuuuuugs.

[KrokGloken]

How so? You just mean in smoked form. Of course it's harmful. Wow! Smoking anything damages your lungs! The chemical THC itself has no harmful long-term side affects.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

How so? You just mean in smoked form. Of course it's harmful. Wow! Smoking anything damages your lungs! The chemical THC itself has no harmful long-term side affects.

you sir are a fucking dumbass.

http://www.salc.wsu.edu/Fair_S02/FS16/p ... ffects.htm

for those who dont feel like reading:

Q: What could be some long-term side effects of marijuana use?

A: Findings so far show that regular use of marijuana may play a role in some kinds of cancer and in problems with the respiratory and immune systems.



Cancer: It's hard to know for sure whether regular marijuana use causes cancer. But it is known that marijuana contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day. (Wu)


Lungs and Airways: People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. The are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.


Immune System: Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect people from disease. When the immune cells are weakened, you are more likely to get sick.

Smoking marijuana causes some changes in the brain that are like those caused by cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. Some researchers believe that these changes may put a person more at risk or becoming addicted to other drugs, such as cocaine or heroin (Rodriguez). Scientists are still learning about the many ways that marijuana could affect the brain.

[KrokGloken]

Well, if that is in fact true, then I guess I'll go fuck myself up anyways.

There are always conflicting studies that are considered to be "proof" on both sides, doesn't make them proof, although it might. Oh well.

[Wolfman Walt]

Yes, something with absolutely no consequences other than the ones imposed by other people is stupid.

What, didn't you go to a bloody drug program when you were in highschool, that is if you even are in highschool. You're a fucking moron to think that it has absolutely no consequences, both physically and socially.

I mean aside from the fact that its an addictive substance there are many other dangers of longterm use besides your wallet being drained. The short-term effects of marijuana use can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. "Research findings for long-term marijuana use indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term use of other major drugs of abuse. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse." One study has indicated that a someones risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana which means if you're a fat ass, you're already in trouble. Marijuana also has similar effects on the lungs as cigerattes which include coughing flem, more acute respitory diseases, etc.

"Cancer of the respiratory tract and lungs may also be promoted by marijuana smoke. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and the more marijuana smoked the greater the increase. A statistical analysis of the data suggested that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers."


"Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana use has potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off"

Lets not even mention the social effects of being caught with possession or dealing. It varies from state to state but if you're caught with large amounts of this stuff you'll probably spend more time in jail then cold hard criminals. 21% of all inmates in the US are in for drug possession and are in for a year or longer. Most are on average in for 19 years. I can tell you, 19 years, even in a minimum security prison isn't fun and chances are you're gonna be someones bitch.

So there now, before you say "It has no consequences" do us a favor, shut up.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

Well, if that is in fact true, then I guess I'll go fuck myself up anyways.

There are always conflicting studies that are considered to be "proof" on both sides, doesn't make them proof, although it might. Oh well.

want a second source? http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread9402.shtml

Scientists at UCLA are making advances to further explore the negative aspects of the compound. According to researchers, THC can also bind to CB2 receptors on white blood cells leading to malfunctions in the body's defense system.

Mice vaccinated for certain diseases have been shown to lose their immunity to illnesses while they are on THC, and similar effects have been with human cell cultures.

"These cells are not able to fight off infections," Roth said. "Specifically, marijuana smokers are at an increased risk for infection."

[CloudNineGT]

Ive got you're pot side effect right here.
<img src="http://www.netby.dk/Oest/Stenbukgade/ac ... ng_pot.jpg">
When you smoke you look like a fucking dumbass, and guess what? You are! Every time I see a greasy ass stoner in his month old outfit drag himself to the bus stop, I know I'm better then him. Its sad that you've deluded yourself into thinking that pot has no side effects.

[KrokGloken]

Cancer: It's hard to know for sure whether regular marijuana use causes cancer. But it is known that marijuana contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day. (Wu)

Now that is a bunch of shit. You would get the same amount if not less cancerous materials in your lungs because it's a simple matter of how much smoke is put in your system. Why the hell would 5 joints per week be the equivalent of smoking a pack a day?

Lungs and Airways: People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. The are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.

No shit sherlock, you're smoking it.

Immune System: Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect people from disease. When the immune cells are weakened, you are more likely to get sick.

God damn it, I was generalizing when I said "no consequences" do I need to throw you a damn clue?

All that shit.

Yes, I knew of those mental effects and I accept them. Also concerning cancer... That's why you don't smoke it... If you want the after-effects to go away, you simply stop using it for awhile...

All that drug culture that surrounds it is fucking stupid, yes we know. I do it for recreation. There are idiots in anything.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

Yes, I knew of those mental effects and I accept them. Also concerning cancer... That's why you don't smoke it... If you want the after-effects to go away, you simply stop using it for awhile...

All that drug culture that surrounds it is fucking stupid, yes we know. I do it for recreation. There are idiots in anything.

its not that i dont smoke it because of cancer. shit cancer runs on my mothers families side so ill probably get it anyway.
id rather not fuck up my brain or my reflexes while i attempt to have a little "recreation".

heh after-effects go away if you stop using it for a short time. do you happen to ride on a short bus to school?

[Maximus]

I feel bad for neon dingo now. His thread has become nothing more than users questioning nonusers testicular fortitude and nonusers questioning users intelligence

[Wolfman Walt]

Now that is a bunch of shit. You would get the same amount if not less cancerous materials in your lungs because it's a simple matter of how much smoke is put in your system. Why the hell would 5 joints per week be the equivalent of smoking a pack a day?

Why not? And you've given no evidence to prove that its NOT a bunch of shit. So maybe instead of stating your opinions on these things, maybe....oh I dunno give us some fact.

No shit sherlock, you're smoking it.

So what other methods are there of taking it? Smoking it is the most common and widely accepted. And also, how about some fact in that what you're producing doesn't have the same consequences?

God damn it, I was generalizing when I said "no consequences" do I need to throw you a damn clue?

When you say "no consequences" you mean "no consequences", if you can't type what you mean, get a damn writing lesson.

[KrokGloken]

Googlize everything.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/ ... op_Stories

Daniel E. Ford, MD, tried to sort out the evidence by the lifestyles -- including marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol use -- of 164 persons who were newly diagnosed with head, neck, or lung cancer compared to a group of 526 healthy persons living in the same area. The average age of patients was 49, while the average age of the healthy volunteers was 44. The cancer patients were all treated at four Baltimore-area hospitals, and the "controls" (healthy comparison group) were selected from a large group of people living in the Baltimore area who had been participating in an ongoing study. Ford tells WebMD that he wanted to find out whether the cancer patients were more likely to smoke marijuana or tobacco or to drink than were the healthy volunteers.

According to Ford, he thought he would find an association between marijuana use and cancer, but "that the association would fall away when we corrected for tobacco use. That was not the case. The association was never there." And that surprised him because of the way marijuana is smoked: deep inhalations, with the smoke held in for effect. "It seemed natural that there would be some connection," he tells WebMD.

Based on these findings, Ford says that cancer prevention efforts should "remain focused on tobacco and alcohol, two known carcinogens."

He says his conclusions differ from another study reported recently. That study linked marijuana use to cancer, but Ford says he thinks the difference can be explained by the fact that the healthy volunteers in that study "had very, very low use of marijuana." That contrasts to his study, in which "we were investigating the effect of marijuana as it is commonly used in the community," he says. Use of all substances -- tobacco, alcohol, and marijuana -- was common among both cancer patients and controls, he says.

During the discussion period after the presentation, several people suggested that lack of quantity may explain why no association was found, because the number of marijuana cigarettes smoked is much lower than the number of tobacco cigarettes smoked. "It is true that we can't really correlate pack-years," says Ford, "and it should be noted that about 30% of the marijuana smokers never smoke cigarettes."

While this study suggests that marijuana has no link to head, neck, and lung cancer, a multicenter study released in March at an American Heart Association meeting linked marijuana use to increased risk of heart attacks. Murray A. Mittleman, MD, PhD, director of cardiovascular epidemiology at Beth Israel-Deaconess Hospital in Boston, told WebMD that marijuana smokers experience a 4.8-fold increase in the relative risk of heart attack during the first hour after smoking. The risk returns to normal after an hour, he said.

http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/dea ... nQuestions

Email Question: I was wondering if smoking marijuana could cause lung cancer?

Dr. Dean: Amazingly, no, not as far as we can tell, which is surprising us. We're getting into an era now where we don't know why cigarettes cause lung cancer. It's not the nicotine. It's something in the smoke, but if it is something in the smoke, why then does marijuana not cause lung cancer?

We're beginning to know that, now, because we're living long enough and enough people have used it, but in the United States, it's difficult. You can smoke a pack of cigarettes a day, but nobody can smoke 20 joints a day, that is, unless there is something wrong with you.

So we've gone to other cultures where people use it more, and we have not found lung cancer. This doesn't mean it won't turn out to be the case.

You just can't say that a joint is the carcinogenic equivalent of pack, it's impossible.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

that guy is obviously a dumb ass because i have never seen anything written that says alcohol causes cancer. i can pull tons of sites out that say it affects cancer if its there but it doesnt cause cancer.

that guy is also obviously a dumb ass because its been proven that tar in cigarettes is one of the main causes of cancer from cigarette smoke.

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9610/17/nfm/smoking.gun/

[KrokGloken]

Yeah, well that guy was a dumbass because I just pulled up something random, that's basically what our "sources" our. The one above is probably more true and should be taken more seriously as such too.

But as I said, a joint can't equal the tar of a pack.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

Yeah, well that guy was a dumbass because I just pulled up something random, that's basically what our "sources" our. The one above is probably more true and should be taken more seriously as such too.

But as I said, a joint can't equal the tar of a pack.

its 5 joints = tar of one pack. and yes its possible. all you are smoking is a "harmless" plant like tobacco except for the brain killing toxins and possible immune system failure.

EDIT: i wouldnt trust that webmd because of the fact he didnt know something CNN knew in 1996.

[KrokGloken]

Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

Read that carefully. They mean that if you smoked 5 joints per week that it would be the equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarettes for every day in that week.

Divide, that means they think that smoking one joint per day is equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarettes or more per day.

Cigarette packs contain about 10 cigarettes, right? So let's see here... Multiply 10 * 7 (For every pack in the week.) which equals 70. 5 joints = 70 cigarettes by their book.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

Read that carefully. They mean that if you smoked 5 joints per week that it would be the equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarettes for every day in that week.

Divide, that means they think that smoking one joint per day is equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarettes or more per day.

Cigarette packs contain about 10 cigarettes, right? So let's see here... Multiply 10 * 7 (For every pack in the week.) which equals 70. 5 joints = 70 cigarettes by their book.

1 joint = 14 cigarettes. now if cigarettes had brain/reflex killing chemicals and halucinogenic effects it would be weed. case and point.

EDIT: it also depends on if the pack has 10 or 20 smokes in it.
if its 10 its 1 joint = 14 smokes
if its 20 its 1 joint = 28 smokes

[KrokGloken]

But...one joint...doesn't equal 14 cigarettes...

:confused2:

I believe it paralyzes them actually.

[Neon Dingo]

Basically this "one joint equals a pack of cigarettes" arguement is complete dogshit. I've read just as much scientific stuff saying it doesn't cause cancer as it does.

Also, who cares if it equals a pack? When was the last time you heard of someone in the hospital with terminal lung cancer for smoking pot? The ONLY time I've heard of it was from a man from London who smoked 5 joints a day for around 40 years.

I don't know why you keep avoiding reading what I say, but I smoke MAYBE once every two weeks. On top of that, my dad (50) has been smoking cigarettes like a chimney since he was 16. Hasn't gotten cancer since then. Is the risk there? Of course it is. But honestly, you can't sit there and tell me this complete and total lie that infrequent use of marijuana is worse than a lifetime of smoking a pack a day. It's hogwash.

Also, you forget the fact that the human body is fucking resilient. If you stop smoking cigarettes for a few months after smoking for several decades your lungs regenerate and become perfectly healthy again. What? Is that bullshit? Why, I heard it from the same exact high school anti-drug propaganda classes you speak so highly of.

All of that shit you hear in anti-drug class is government lies anyway. I remember they showed us brain waves of a normal person and the brain waves of a person high on pot. The brainwaves of the pot-smoker were nearly flatlined! It's really funny, then, because when you smoke pot your brainwaves actually INCREASE. They even made a commercial about this, and several thousand people called in complaining about the obvious lie the government was trying to shove down teenagers throats.

I'd honestly rather get fried on a fucking PCP/heroin/cocaine milkshake than let the government manipulate my brain.

Also, I don't think it's been said yet, but it takes 100, 000 times the normal amount of THC for you to overdose. You simply cannot overdose on pot. It's the safest drug there is, by far. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Also, when did I say drug use was "cool?" I only said it was a fun thing to do. I never glorified it.

Talking about "this cool trip I had" is no different than you sitting their being a cock-gobbler talking about your cool deck of Magic the Gathering cards. Bad example, because you probably don't play that game, but still. You have your heads in the clouds somewhere and I know that you, along with everyone else on this forum full of pathetic fatbodies, have engaged in a conversation pertaining to a false videogame reality.

Don't sit there and tell me it's different, because it's not. Escapism is escapism. There's no grey area.

Legalize all drugs, end of story. Social Darwinism will result, and the fucking stupid will die off peacefully (drowning in a pool of their own vomit).

[Maximus]

DRUGS ARE GHEYSAUCE! All recreational drugs should be eliminated, fuck old ppl with glaucoma, let THEM down in their own vomit. I think the majority of the world's population should be wiped out so that the mentally superior can expand. I are teh smrat!!!

Edit: Did he seriously say "hogwash"?

[Silver]

Fuck you, your only defense for your stupidity is to call me NOOBY. Not a defense at all.

Actualy it is. Welcome to DnC fagghole.