Total communication surveillance in EU countires

[Thor Kaufman]

indeed

You're wrong on the Germany part, though. Bank secrecy has been disestablished, internet traffic is stored for 6 months, a lot more police and intelligence databases have been built in the last years, add camera surveillance etc etc.

[ShivaskunK]

eh, fearmongering is the way to go.. Nothing like the threat of turbanists to get the masses ready for the strong man to save the day.

who needs freedom of privacy anyways? heck, i'm training my 'sieg heill' arm in anticipation..

[Smiley]

The EU does not want the member states to do this before at least 2009 or 2011. However, Denmark has done this since Sept. 15th of 2007. Sweden, Germany & Great Britain have been against this from the start, especially the whole internet surveillance thing...

The obviously feel that the internet thing is a bit much and would be satisfied wih much less control & survellaiance in the EU, say just for cell phones as these has been proven to be used in the terrorists attacks in Madrid and London. (and just to be clear in this, no, I don't condone any terrorists attacks for whatever reasons --- ever....)

The thing is,however, that in Denmark all internet & phone & internet providers are being forced to by law to save any&all digital data trafficking. This means any internetwebsite, (or package), cell phone number and normal phone number.

When I call to say my bank or my big sister or order a train ticket on the phone, the authorities could in theory get access to that information. Why the would need to know that I called my bank or ordered a train ticket to another city, I don't know. Or rather I'd do. The authorities are so afraid of DK being hit by a terrorist bomb, that they are out to make all people in all EU member states be seen as potential terrorists, thus creating a sense of fear in the populations of the EU member states which mean that they more easily can control the situation - and the population...

In Denmark, the ISP number of the computer dialing out is stores, the is the ISP number of say DuckandCover, or NMA or say gameboomers.com
When I phone my bank, the phone companies are now required to make a note of my phone number, the bank's phone number, how long I talked to the bank, and some other stuff, I forgot about. The same goes for cell phones. But wait, there's more...

All hotels, from the smallest Bed&Breakfasts to the biggest Sheraton Hotels need also do this, i.e. they need to record both the internet traffic and the phone calls, their guests make. Really really experience this is. However, libraries, residential areas, and universities, schools and colleges are free from these demands. Maybe understandably so, but it makes little that you can use a computer at the library freely or at an internet café....when small bed and breakfast places with maybe 50 or so beds shall do this...

Thus making the whole population under suspicion. The security police, STASI (staatssicherheitsdienst) in the now closed DDR would have been so proud. They never had the opportunities our legal elected represen-tatives now are given to the security police in the EU member states.

/aries100

You forgot one thing. All public places, like libraries, are excluded from this law.
Genius, huh?

[Redeye]

The EU does not want the member states to do this before at least 2009 or 2011. However, Denmark has done this since Sept. 15th of 2007. Sweden, Germany & Great Britain have been against this from the start, especially the whole internet surveillance thing...

The obviously feel that the internet thing is a bit much and would be satisfied wih much less control & survellaiance in the EU, say just for cell phones as these has been proven to be used in the terrorists attacks in Madrid and London. (and just to be clear in this, no, I don't condone any terrorists attacks for whatever reasons --- ever....)

The thing is,however, that in Denmark all internet & phone & internet providers are being forced to by law to save any&all digital data trafficking. This means any internetwebsite, (or package), cell phone number and normal phone number.

When I call to say my bank or my big sister or order a train ticket on the phone, the authorities could in theory get access to that information. Why the would need to know that I called my bank or ordered a train ticket to another city, I don't know. Or rather I'd do. The authorities are so afraid of DK being hit by a terrorist bomb, that they are out to make all people in all EU member states be seen as potential terrorists, thus creating a sense of fear in the populations of the EU member states which mean that they more easily can control the situation - and the population...

In Denmark, the ISP number of the computer dialing out is stores, the is the ISP number of say DuckandCover, or NMA or say gameboomers.com
When I phone my bank, the phone companies are now required to make a note of my phone number, the bank's phone number, how long I talked to the bank, and some other stuff, I forgot about. The same goes for cell phones. But wait, there's more...

All hotels, from the smallest Bed&Breakfasts to the biggest Sheraton Hotels need also do this, i.e. they need to record both the internet traffic and the phone calls, their guests make. Really really experience this is. However, libraries, residential areas, and universities, schools and colleges are free from these demands. Maybe understandably so, but it makes little that you can use a computer at the library freely or at an internet café....when small bed and breakfast places with maybe 50 or so beds shall do this...

Thus making the whole population under suspicion. The security police, STASI (staatssicherheitsdienst) in the now closed DDR would have been so proud. They never had the opportunities our legal elected represen-tatives now are given to the security police in the EU member states.

/aries100

You forgot one thing. All public places, like libraries, are excluded from this law.
Genius, huh?

Aries wrote:

"...However, libraries, residential areas, and universities, schools and colleges are free from these demands. Maybe understandably so, but it makes little that you can use a computer at the library freely or at an internet café....."

[VasikkA]

words

So what? That's the same thing FBI and CIA have been doing for the past 4 decades. If that helps monitoring terrorists from rogue states like Lithuania, I'm all up for that. Fuck, it's the police. To protect and serve - it's their fucking job. No one should get hysterical and bring crap like freedom of speech into the equation. Dunno, maybe getting hysterical is the favorite pastime in Denmark. Still, there's no reason to hide your child porn.

[Dreadnought]

And who's going to protect us from the police and the government? I rather stick to terrorists. Not only because they have AKs and blow shit up. But also because they drive 4WDs and are evil!

[Thor Kaufman]

The EU does not want the member states to do this before at least 2009 or 2011. However, Denmark has done this since Sept. 15th of 2007. Sweden, Germany & Great Britain have been against this from the start, especially the whole internet surveillance thing...

The obviously feel that the internet thing is a bit much and would be satisfied wih much less control & survellaiance in the EU, say just for cell phones as these has been proven to be used in the terrorists attacks in Madrid and London. (and just to be clear in this, no, I don't condone any terrorists attacks for whatever reasons --- ever....)

The thing is,however, that in Denmark all internet & phone & internet providers are being forced to by law to save any&all digital data trafficking. This means any internetwebsite, (or package), cell phone number and normal phone number.

When I call to say my bank or my big sister or order a train ticket on the phone, the authorities could in theory get access to that information. Why the would need to know that I called my bank or ordered a train ticket to another city, I don't know. Or rather I'd do. The authorities are so afraid of DK being hit by a terrorist bomb, that they are out to make all people in all EU member states be seen as potential terrorists, thus creating a sense of fear in the populations of the EU member states which mean that they more easily can control the situation - and the population...

In Denmark, the ISP number of the computer dialing out is stores, the is the ISP number of say DuckandCover, or NMA or say gameboomers.com
When I phone my bank, the phone companies are now required to make a note of my phone number, the bank's phone number, how long I talked to the bank, and some other stuff, I forgot about. The same goes for cell phones. But wait, there's more...

All hotels, from the smallest Bed&Breakfasts to the biggest Sheraton Hotels need also do this, i.e. they need to record both the internet traffic and the phone calls, their guests make. Really really experience this is. However, libraries, residential areas, and universities, schools and colleges are free from these demands. Maybe understandably so, but it makes little that you can use a computer at the library freely or at an internet café....when small bed and breakfast places with maybe 50 or so beds shall do this...

Thus making the whole population under suspicion. The security police, STASI (staatssicherheitsdienst) in the now closed DDR would have been so proud. They never had the opportunities our legal elected represen-tatives now are given to the security police in the EU member states.

/aries100

You forgot one thing. All public places, like libraries, are excluded from this law.
Genius, huh?

It's indeed genius, because the whole thing is not about safety, anyway. It's about controlling the populace, inducing fear, fearing the government.

Also, what Dreadnought said, hail the terrorists, may they kill our presidents.

[aries100]

I won't be hailing the terrorists, though, just pointing out the dangers and such things that are with these things.

I don't know what FBI and CIA have done in the US in the past decades, but I do know that in Denmark the video surveillance have been increased too.

[NATIK]

Being Danish, I think its fucked up and just about everyone I have spoken to or heard discussing it thinks the same, only our stupid government thinks its a good idea and then only because they have been told by their EU circlejerking buddies that it is a good idea.

[Dreadnought]

Look they're cheating. They can read the Wasteland without registering!

[Redeye]

And who's going to protect us from the police and the government?...

The people in the Firearms Thread!

[Dreadnought]

Eh, I don't trust those incompetent cretins.

[VasikkA]

And who's going to protect us from the police and the government?...

The people in the Firearms Thread!

[Dreadnought]

[Goretheglowingone]

have any of you lack wits heard of a Faraday cage
keeps eyes outta your shit, build one around your comp, then put a
good firewall in you comp and tell big brother to fuck himself

[edhead]

You don't need a cage (or a tinfoil hat, for that matter. Unless it's tinfoil hat 2000) for that kinda shit. I wonder how da Big Brutha is going to track your ass if you use a prepaid cellphone card and gmail for communication. It seems that this shitty directive is as utterly useless as the the pigs who sit in the parliaments.

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[Redeye]

have any of you lack wits heard of a Faraday cage
keeps eyes outta your shit, build one around your comp, then put a
good firewall in you comp and tell big brother to fuck himself

Don't forget to glue a hair across the door and frame.

Never use ATMs or credit cards.

Change clothes, sunglasses, hairpieces, etc. several times a day.

Scrub yourself daily like the guy in Gattacca to reduce DNA-shedding.

Scrub domicile completely twice a week. Use bleach, but not enough to attract attention. Also have daily and hourly sanitization rituals.

Use blacklight to check your own place over thoroughly. Don't leave fingerprints anywhere, even your keyboard or eating utensils.

Read forensics manuals to help develop self protection procedures.

Read psych/soc, anthro, etc. texts as well as acting manuals and so on to learn how to wear the "Mask Of Sanity". You must swim among the fishes.

Maintain caches at remote locations.

Have a "go bag". With cash, food, medication, ID, disguise, etc.

Have a shredding/incineration/drug wash/etc. system in place.
It must not depend on plumbing. Plumbing can be diverted and analyzed.

And so on, and so forth.


Good luck evading the Secret Polizei!








P.S. : Welding torches are great for getting at those bugs crawling under your skin.

[TelemachusSneezed]

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[ApTyp]

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