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Saint_Proverbius wrote:Because he destroyed the Master? That's a pretty big deal.BTW why was the vault dweller considered a hero? All NCR knew that I did was kill a few rad scorpions, raiders and probably Gizmo.
Remember the video at the beginning of Fallout. They show two US Troopers in PA executing a Canadian terrorist, protecting the newly annexed Canada.MSG wrote:Yeah alright I agree there's probably power armour in canada. I though China invaded Alaska then the US reclaimed it quickly. But they didn't China invades in the winter of 2066 then the US reclaims it in January 2077. Still they probably didn't leave a lot of troops to protect Canada, they were protecting Alaska and invading China, that probably took a lot of man power.
Lenny and Marcus both mention he killed the Master.Harold, Lenny and Marcus only mention the Vault dweller and they only give you vague tales about where he was and what he did. Again, I'm probably wrong. Haven't touched FO2 since 2001.
The Followers of the Apocalypse and the Brotherhood of Steel both knew. The Mutant Army knew.Who saw you come running out of the Cathedral? Even if someone saw you, you probably had power armour on or they were too concerned about not getting nuked.
Plus I bet you were called a evil person for blowing up a church. Not that many people knew about the Vault underneath.
Yet they always mention Kirk in the shows after that. HOW ODD!Just because no one talks about him doesn't mean he wasn't there. When you talk about the assassin at Ford's Theatre in 1865 you don't need to mention John Wilkes Booth, everybody knows it was Booth. When Kirk talks about the Klingons being defeated at some outpost and doesn't mention Archer, it's because everybody in the Star Trek universe knows it was Archer.
Saint_Proverbius wrote: Yet they always mention Kirk in the shows after that. HOW ODD!
I don't see why, they might be wary of stragers a first but you could probably win thier trust.Pyro wrote:towns would have just started, and theyd probably kill all outsiders as they might think they'd be to radioactive/crazy
People would hear tales about towns or cities and pass the information to you for the price of a beer, or sometimes it would just be drunk talk.you couldnt wander the wasteland without taking a mouthful of rad-x. and how would you get items like that? Trade routes would have barely started.
Why would that be bad?critters everywhere
Why would something have to threaten the world? why not just something that threatens you or your town?no enemy to threaten the world (Whos going to be that organized so soon after? and if so whats it going to be? some blobs? theyd have barely and armour and about 3 guns)
I bet they would be just like they were in FO1the bos would definitely not allow any outsiders near them, they wouldnt even dream of giving away power armour
I covered this earlier, but anyway you could be part of Vault 15 when it breaks down and have to find Vault 13.you wouldnt have a pipboy (no vault suit)
You can't just simply say a prequel won't be advanced enough therfore we'll ditch it.And you can't just simply say fallout 3 would be to advanced therefore we'll ditch it. You can easily fuck it up. Just by killing Tandi the wastes would change. Give new reno some miniguns and stuff and the wastes would change. Kill a bos guard and let civilians walk into a bos outpost the wastes would change.
Not really I remember walking around for a year after FO2 and San Fransisco still was prefect(or as prefect as it was the first time I found it)San fransisco isn't a problem. It's pretty secluded past the military base, and after the nuke exploded it probably effected the town majorly.
huh?If you killed the slavers a lot of towns would have no slaves anymore thereofre do there own work. Everyone would become for stronger and more self sufficent, relying less on police.
I wiped out the raider base to, so they won't be to much of a threat anymore.
Why would a Tribe exist when every town around them has tecnology that rivials Star Trek?A tribe could easily stumble on navarro and find some nice weaponry
I probably forgot but couldn't you kill westen? wounldn't there be contiuityTandi is bound to die soon and ncr would panic, probably elect westin as mayor and the town would change. To me he seemed a bit paranoid anyway, so the police woul probably not allow anyone in. And if a group of raiders/mutants from vault 15 decided to attack ncr it could change the town a lot.
Ore wasn't mined before FO2 and technology was still prety advanced.ore wouldnt be mined anymore in broken hills so technology wouldnt be so widely used (no fuel/economy would change)
Until they meet up with the eastern BOS and then have to move back west and meet up with the old BOS and get crushed in the middle.and the mutants around the military base just wouldnt wander around forever.
No, it shows two PA troops exicuting a Canadian Freedom Fighter.Saint_Proverbius wrote:Remember the video at the beginning of Fallout. They show two US Troopers in PA executing a Canadian terrorist, protecting the newly annexed Canada.
Again I forgot that, but the "racial tensions" that FO2 had probably prevented them from telling anyone. Except Marcus probably told Broken Hills.Lenny and Marcus both mention he killed the Master.
FotA died, BoS were isolationist and who would stop long enough to listen to a mutant army trying to wipe out the world?The Followers of the Apocalypse and the Brotherhood of Steel both knew. The Mutant Army knew.
Becuse they had a use for Kirk in the shows after that, they didn't need Archer. Also Kirk came after Archer so they probably used Kirk as a more recent example. Kinda of like how more people say Bin Laden is more evil than Hitler.Yet they always mention Kirk in the shows after that. HOW ODD!
by being shot in the head and falling on the floor?MSG wrote:I don't see why, they might be wary of stragers a first but you could probably win thier trust.Pyro wrote:towns would have just started, and theyd probably kill all outsiders as they might think they'd be to radioactive/crazy
People would hear tales about towns or cities and pass the information to you for the price of a beer, or sometimes it would just be drunk talk.[/quote]you couldnt wander the wasteland without taking a mouthful of rad-x. and how would you get items like that? Trade routes would have barely started.
Why would that be bad?[/quote]critters everywhere
Why would something have to threaten the world? why not just something that threatens you or your town?[/quote]no enemy to threaten the world (Whos going to be that organized so soon after? and if so whats it going to be? some blobs? theyd have barely and armour and about 3 guns)
I bet they would be just like they were in FO1[/quote]the bos would definitely not allow any outsiders near them, they wouldnt even dream of giving away power armour
I covered this earlier, but anyway you could be part of Vault 15 when it breaks down and have to find Vault 13.[/quote]you wouldnt have a pipboy (no vault suit)
You can't just simply say a prequel won't be advanced enough therfore we'll ditch it.And you can't just simply say fallout 3 would be to advanced therefore we'll ditch it. You can easily fuck it up. Just by killing Tandi the wastes would change. Give new reno some miniguns and stuff and the wastes would change. Kill a bos guard and let civilians walk into a bos outpost the wastes would change.
Not really I remember walking around for a year after FO2 and San Fransisco still was prefect(or as prefect as it was the first time I found it)[/quote]San fransisco isn't a problem. It's pretty secluded past the military base, and after the nuke exploded it probably effected the town majorly.
huh?[/quote]If you killed the slavers a lot of towns would have no slaves anymore thereofre do there own work. Everyone would become for stronger and more self sufficent, relying less on police.
I wiped out the raider base to, so they won't be to much of a threat anymore.
Why would a Tribe exist when every town around them has tecnology that rivials Star Trek?[/quote]A tribe could easily stumble on navarro and find some nice weaponry
I probably forgot but couldn't you kill westen? wounldn't there be contiuityTandi is bound to die soon and ncr would panic, probably elect westin as mayor and the town would change. To me he seemed a bit paranoid anyway, so the police woul probably not allow anyone in. And if a group of raiders/mutants from vault 15 decided to attack ncr it could change the town a lot.
Ore wasn't mined before FO2 and technology was still prety advanced.[/quote]ore wouldnt be mined anymore in broken hills so technology wouldnt be so widely used (no fuel/economy would change)
Until they meet up with the eastern BOS and then have to move back west and meet up with the old BOS and get crushed in the middle.[/quote]and the mutants around the military base just wouldnt wander around forever.
I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.Pyro wrote:by being shot in the head and falling on the floor?
Quote from the Sophia Tape, Page 1 "While there was no radioactive fallout to contend with"What about radiation?
Walk thru the forest for a month I doubt you'll encounter more than a handful of animals.It would get boring after wandering every 2 seconds and running into 50 molerats
The raiders would be a staring point, a stepping stone to get your guy out of the Vault/Village.What? Some raiders? You could easily kick there ass. It has to be something pretty strong.
In a prequel there wouldn't be any Mutant threat. "Well, some of the Initiates think we're preparing for war. That's why hardly anyone gets in now." quote from Cabbot. That probably means people use to get in before the Mutant threat. And you could get power armour from Talus by rescuing the Initiate in the Hub.Well they have lets say...30 initiates in fo1. And they wouldnt accept ny more since the start of the mutant threat unless they went on the glow quest. And they probably wouldn't give you power armour as you're an initiate and what are the chances of the eye-socket being faulty?
Did the Vault Dweller know where all the Vaults were? No he didn't he had to find out from other people.That wouldn't be very long. It's only about a months travel from both the vaults, then they wouldn't let you inside vault 13.
Everywhere would still be too advanced, only New Reno, NCR and other places would be destroyed. New Arroyo Republic would still be there, San Francisco would still be there, Vault City would still be there.I'm thinking of things this would cause. new reno will get bigger and bigger weapons until they blow each other up, same with civilians taking bos stuff.
But no one died from radiation in that year, no one at Navarro died from it either and I bet Navarro was closer.They can't really change a map as the engine wouldn't handle it. The only thing that changed was an ncr flag after you did the vault 15>ncr quest
I didn't understand "no slaves anymore thereofre do there own work."I don't see what's hard to understand about that.
stronger people>less police to help them from being beaten up>more vigilantes and gangs
NOTHING. If you kill Grey or Aradesh they will still be in FO1, FO1 is already made, nothing you do will change it.Same applys in fallout 1. Or if in a prequel what happens if you kill aradesh or grey?
What about all the energy weapons? the "200" cars in NCR? Atomic reactors? Verti-birds?The only thing I see about fo2 technology being to advanced are the laser fences in ncr and the towns being more friendly and 'open up' to strangers
If some starts wiping out BOS outposts, the BOS should come up and investigate. But they don't because FO2 was a crappy game.One bos solider outside an outpost isnt much of a problem. They could easily kill everyone in a town and take it for themselves. Mabye even run into vault 13 or something and kill everyone their.
I can't picture such a reason as one that would last you for the entire game. Possibly doable, but the developers haven't displayed such creativity for the time being to pull it off, wouldn't you say?MSG wrote: Why would something have to threaten the world? why not just something that threatens you or your town?
From dictionary.com:MSG wrote: No, it shows two PA troops executing a Canadian Freedom Fighter.
And considering I'm Canadian I'd say they were invading newly annexed Canada.
Why?MSG wrote:
I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.
That was just after the war. And it would probably be a matter of days before the fallout came.
Quote from the Sophia Tape, Page 1 "While there was no radioactive fallout to contend with"
The Maxson at the Mariposa Base sent out a guy in power armour to take readings, "It seems the radiation has not spread this far."
Theres already about a hundred birds or so, plus other animals that come scaveging for food. And the back of my house leads to a forest so I know.
Walk thru the forest for a month I doubt you'll encounter more than a handful of animals.
And in case you can't tell I meant the real forest, outside.
and the what? Kill raiders and fight big bad evil that have no armour or weapons?What? Some raiders? You could easily kick there ass. It has to be something pretty strong.
The raiders would be a staring point, a stepping stone to get your guy out of the Vault/Village.
it wouldnt exactly be well known though would it? and they probably didnt need any initaties if they had just travelled from the military base. They probably weren't even called the bos then.
In a prequel there wouldn't be any Mutant threat. "Well, some of the Initiates think we're preparing for war. That's why hardly anyone gets in now." quote from Cabbot. That probably means people use to get in before the Mutant threat.
and a similiar situation would arise 80 or so years earlier?And you could get power armour from Talus by rescuing the Initiate in the Hub.
He knew where vault 15 was. And any person who's played fallout before would know where a majority of the vaults are.Did the Vault Dweller know where all the Vaults were? No he didn't he had to find out from other people.
so whats the problem? It's like world war 3, except on a smaller scale.I'm thinking of things this would cause. new reno will get bigger and bigger weapons until they blow each other up, same with civilians taking bos stuff.
New arroyo republic=vault cityEverywhere would still be too advanced, only New Reno, NCR and other places would be destroyed. New Arroyo Republic would still be there, San Francisco would still be there, Vault City would still be there.
They cant reallly have a trigger that would kill everyone in the town. And fallout may not have reached that area yet...But no one died from radiation in that year, no one at Navarro died from it either and I bet Navarro was closer.
Slaves do the gardening, cooking and other shitty jobs. If they did them themselves they would become smarter, stronger and stuff. [/quote]I
I didn't understand "no slaves anymore thereofre do there own work."
Even a self sufficent community needs soem kind of police force to make sure they dont execute a guy because he has blonde hair or something.But, if they relied less on police they would either become Raiders(leading to the Khans?) or become a self sufficient community.
Er...NOTHING. If you kill Grey or Aradesh they will still be in FO1, FO1 is already made, nothing you do will change it.
I wish people would understand that.
MSG wrote: did you say probably forgot but couldn't you kill westen? wounldn't there be contiuity
problems for those of you who killed Westen
I dont care about technology fucking up fallout. It's just i feel fallout 2 lost it's atmosphere as a post-apocalyptic game.What about all the energy weapons? the "200" cars in NCR? Atomic reactors? Verti-birds?
And what does towns being more friendly and open have to do with technology?
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Why did you post this message? Saint_Prov is arguing why there shouldn't be a prequel, I'm arguing why there should. You come along and just try to be cool and end up sounding like an ass.
They left right after the war too and weren't in an area with major targets. If the Glow or LA were between Mariposa and Lost Hills, things would have been different.MSG wrote:Quote from the Sophia Tape, Page 1 "While there was no radioactive fallout to contend with"
The Maxson at the Mariposa Base sent out a guy in power armour to take readings, "It seems the radiation has not spread this far."
The difference between animals now and Fallout animals are pretty large, pardon the pun. Consider that most Fallout animals are large carnivores and omnivores with a scarce food supply, that's a hell of a lot different than walking through a forest and seeing some deer or some squirrels.Walk thru the forest for a month I doubt you'll encounter more than a handful of animals.
And in case you can't tell I meant the real forest, outside.
There wouldn't be much of a threat at all in a prequel. However, there were mutant animals presenting a problem for caravans, which is why Grey and Harold went to Mariposa.In a prequel there wouldn't be any Mutant threat. "Well, some of the Initiates think we're preparing for war. That's why hardly anyone gets in now." quote from Cabbot. That probably means people use to get in before the Mutant threat. And you could get power armour from Talus by rescuing the Initiate in the Hub.
Which kind of clashes with that whole idea of a unified vault system that was presented in Fallout Tactics, doesn't it?Did the Vault Dweller know where all the Vaults were? No he didn't he had to find out from other people.
How do you know where New Arroyo is?Everywhere would still be too advanced, only New Reno, NCR and other places would be destroyed. New Arroyo Republic would still be there, San Francisco would still be there, Vault City would still be there.
And we wish you'd understand that this is a damned good reason not to do a prequel.NOTHING. If you kill Grey or Aradesh they will still be in FO1, FO1 is already made, nothing you do will change it.
I wish people would understand that.
1.) Energy weapons were around before the war. Other than what the BOS and Enclave made, most were just lying around in military bases waiting to be found. In fact, in a prequel, you'd have more access to these things because they wouldn't have been heavily scavanged at that point.What about all the energy weapons? the "200" cars in NCR? Atomic reactors? Verti-birds? And what does towns being more friendly and open have to do with technology?
Actually, this would be a good way to wipe out something like Vault City or San Franscisco.If some starts wiping out BOS outposts, the BOS should come up and investigate. But they don't because FO2 was a crappy game.
Not every single city was a major target, if LA was a major target almost no building would be standing. And even if a few Chinese nukes went off course I think the radiation wouldn't be life threatening in 40 years.Saint_Proverbius wrote:They left right after the war too and weren't in an area with major targets. If the Glow or LA were between Mariposa and Lost Hills, things would have been different.
I was trying to prove that you couldn't encounter 50 molerats every 2 seconds. I bet most of the animals would still be trying to adapt to the new world, and those who have already adapted would have pretty low population.The difference between animals now and Fallout animals are pretty large, pardon the pun. Consider that most Fallout animals are large carnivores and omnivores with a scarce food supply, that's a hell of a lot different than walking through a forest and seeing some deer or some squirrels.
The first threat in FO1 was that the water chip broke.There wouldn't be much of a threat at all in a prequel. However, there were mutant animals presenting a problem for caravans, which is why Grey and Harold went to Mariposa.
Alright FOT wasn't the picture perfect version of FO. A sequel wouldn't be either.Which kind of clashes with that whole idea of a unified vault system that was presented in Fallout Tactics, doesn't it?
Just another reason FOT should be overwritten.
I always assumed that NAR would be over Arroyo, hence New Arroyo Republic, or over Vault 13 because it was already advanced and they could just do as VC and build a town over the Vault.How do you know where New Arroyo is?
San Francisco would be easy to set back a peg or two. The Shi let anyone waltz in to their base. A decent sized gang of raiders would be enough to cripple them. An earthquake could severely damage their base. Even an accident in one of their experiments could do it.
Vault City can be undone in a similar way. Sure, they have those lovely turrets, but those were only there to fend off the mercenaries that were attacking, and they just wanted to scare the VC people. Anyone with a decent Repair and Traps skill could enter VC, put some plastic explosives in those turrets wired to the power supply for them, then signal an attack. Those turrets activate and BOOM! Down they all go and they'd take that fence with them.
Yeah but it still shows that a prequel wouldn't have to follow a linear path.And we wish you'd understand that this is a damned good reason not to do a prequel.
How many military bases do you know where you can walk up and take things? And if the circuits aren't fried from the EMP it would mean that it was deep enough to protect from a nuclear blast, which would mean that it was designed to be a military style "Vault".1.) Energy weapons were around before the war. Other than what the BOS and Enclave made, most were just lying around in military bases waiting to be found. In fact, in a prequel, you'd have more access to these things because they wouldn't have been heavily scavanged at that point.
But he's a designer, he knows more about FO than anyone of us.2.) That 200 cars thing is a brain fart on Chris Avellone's part. It's even more silly when you factor in that there's no evidence cars even existed in NCR at the time of Fallout 2.
Don't you think a reactor would melt down in the 160(?) years after WW3?3.) Atomic reactors, once again, are pre-war tech. See #1.
I gave them to the BOS guy, who probably sent them straight to the BOS elders. Who would probably start making them to find their lost Brothers to the East.4.) Vertibirds would most likely be lost after FO2. Just because the Shi have the plans for them doesn't mean they can get one to work or even fly them. Then again, if the Shi got "set back", like we've been saying, they wouldn't have a chance to make those things in the first place.
MSG wrote:If some starts wiping out BOS outposts, the BOS should come up and investigate. But they don't because FO2 was a crappy game.
In a sequel...Actually, this would be a good way to wipe out something like Vault City or San Francisco.
And that is relevent to threats present in a prequel...how?MSG wrote:The first threat in FO1 was that the water chip broke.There wouldn't be much of a threat at all in a prequel. However, there were mutant animals presenting a problem for caravans, which is why Grey and Harold went to Mariposa.
Would you mind telling me what your nose candy of choice is? FOT was only a "good game" in the sense that it had multiplayer. Take that away, it would have been panned pretty hard. There was nothing in it that JA2 already did, and JA2 likely did it much better. Hell, JA2 is actually stable.Alright FOT wasn't the picture perfect version of FO. A sequel wouldn't be either.Which kind of clashes with that whole idea of a unified vault system that was presented in Fallout Tactics, doesn't it?
Just another reason FOT should be overwritten.
But FOT was still a good game.
That's the biggest laugh all year. Hey, MicroForte did Fallout Tactics and were designers. Grasp of Fallout? About 14%, if that, with Gareth as the notable exception. Considering that Avellone is also responsible for Sin City in Fallout 2, it's quite humorous you said that.But he's a designer, he knows more about FO than anyone of us.2.) That 200 cars thing is a brain fart on Chris Avellone's part. It's even more silly when you factor in that there's no evidence cars even existed in NCR at the time of Fallout 2.
LA was hit pretty damn hard. Look at the world map. There are cratters all around the city. Did you happen to notice that huge Crater south of the city. That was a huge bomb that detonated, especialy if it was an air burst.Not every single city was a major target, if LA was a major target almost no building would be standing. And even if a few Chinese nukes went off course I think the radiation wouldn't be life threatening in 40 years.
Rosh wrote:And that is relevent to threats present in a prequel...how?
I liked FOT and I didn't even try multiplayer.Would you mind telling me what your nose candy of choice is? FOT was only a "good game" in the sense that it had multiplayer. Take that away, it would have been panned pretty hard.
I think it's a bigger laugh that you can't read. I was talking about MCA, did MCA work on FOT? Did any of the Devs from FO work on FOT?That's the biggest laugh all year. Hey, MicroForte did Fallout Tactics and were designers. Grasp of Fallout? About 14%, if that, with Gareth as the notable exception. Considering that Avellone is also responsible for Sin City in Fallout 2, it's quite humorous you said that.
I was talking about the LA Boneward.The Shrike wrote:LA was hit pretty damn hard. Look at the world map. There are cratters all around the city. Did you happen to notice that huge Crater south of the city. That was a huge bomb that detonated, especialy if it was an air burst.
Now I know you're on something.MSG wrote: I liked FOT and I didn't even try multiplayer.
Compared to FO it was a lot better, except it had no RPG elements.
Nice try, but you can shove that straw man straight up your ass.I think it's a bigger laugh that you can't read. I was talking about MCA, did MCA work on FOT? Did any of the Devs from FO work on FOT?That's the biggest laugh all year. Hey, MicroForte did Fallout Tactics and were designers. Grasp of Fallout? About 14%, if that, with Gareth as the notable exception. Considering that Avellone is also responsible for Sin City in Fallout 2, it's quite humorous you said that.
And New Reno was alright, It wasn't as bad as NCR, San Francisco, or Vault City.
