The Game Informer Article

[DarkUnderlord]

The M-388 Davy Crockett was a tactical nuclear recoilless rifle projectile that was deployed by the United States during the Cold War. It was named after American soldier, Congressman and folk hero Davy Crockett (1786-1836).

[RAK]

At this point in time, I'd like to ask: Who didn't expect this to happen? I think you'd have to be terribly naive to expect any better. Then again, at the same time, I myself am surprised at just how right the fan community was.

It looks now that an Oblivion with guns is assured. That's immutable, meaning that the gameplay's going to be pretty shit. (I'm of the opinion that only one game got a FPS/RPG mix right so far, and that's System Shock 2.) However, if they can get some decent dialogue going, get some moral ambiguity, make diplomacy and stealth choices more than just secondary, things like that, I might check it out. Sure, it won't be Fallout, but it may have the potential for an alright game outside that. I'm as pissed off as most that it isn't isometric, that no real turn-based option is present, and that certain things in the setting aren't very good, but taking that out of account, it may be OK.

As for the Fatman, I think that would be a great weapon - in another setting; Unreal or something like that. And they probably won't give it to you early - why would they? You wouldn't get the full benefit of the "gun erosion" if you got a weapon like that early on.

Finally, who's with me that despite this not being a proper Fallout, it'll probably get RPG of the Year 2008 anyway?

[edhead]

Finally, who's with me that despite this not being a proper Fallout, it'll probably get RPG of the Year 2008 anyway?

QFT

[Killzig]

the fatman shouldn't be something you could carry on your person. nor should it be something you're using in an enclosed space (ie the trudgery of a sewer/dungeon crawl) especially not when they've got you micromanaging just how much radiation you're taking in. ugh.

I don't think it getting RPG o the year 2k8 is going to happen unless Mass Effect bombs completely..

Mass Effect hype train > BethSoft's hype train

[Alexander]

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crock ... ar_device)
Sounds fifties. Sounds Fallout. You fail.

Ok, fine, a personal nukular weapon is plausible, though not likely...

BUT, why didn't they just include the Davy Crockette itself?

Why does Beth need to make their very own HAND-HELD-BFG-NUKULAR-WEAPON-OF-ULTIMATE-DOOM-TO-SHOOT-ORCS-WITHâ„¢?
It sounds and looks very stupid.

Besides, the Davy Crockett was a weapon with a range of 2-4 km (source: Wikipedia), not 10-20 m (!) which the Fat Man seems to have.

P.S.

To be fair, though the Davy Ckrockett project was conceived in the fifties, the weapon was first made available to troops in the beginning of the sixties.

.../ sloppily slapped together half wittedly

Haha. Beautiful. When will we see new Kiddie Pool material?

[Brother None]

Ok, fine, a personal nukular weapon is plausible, though not likely...

No it isn't. The Davy Crockett was a multiple personel weapon. The Fatman is described as a handheld nukular grenade thrower that you shoot at a nearby supersupermutant who goes up in a cloud of radioactive dust, or something.

Nearby + nuclear explosion + smallest nuclear device available still has a blast radius equal to 10 tons of TNT = very, very stupid

[Stainless]

But fallout has lasers and plasma and miniguns!!11 inplausable!11!!!

[Brother None]

But fallout has lasers and plasma and miniguns!!11 inplausable!11!!!

Verisimilitude.

[Killzig]

Am I the only one that's completely fucking borked out of his mind more by the inconsistency of their own design ideas (let's make them scared of radiation... no wait, let's have them bask in it in the sewers!)?

How is this game even going to reach a level of consistency within itself, let alone within the FO universe? This is the same shit that made Oblivion unbearable, yes there were multiple quest lines but no cohesion or interaction. This is the sort of thing that is completely lambasted in every other form of media yet mainstream gamers readily embraced because they're so fucking stoned, drunk or stupid that shiny giblets are all it takes to appease them. They might as well have bought the licensing rights for Battlefield Earth. FUCK THAT and fuck a kiddie pool, it's not happening.

[DaC-Sniper]

Mass Effect hype train > BethSoft's hype train

I personally would call Mass Effect hype as deserved hype, the design of the game with alien bitches and Toad head aliens looks awesome, there are also some dialogues(a lil bit short of course and mostly stuff liek "Shut up, i am the commander! etc.), but as long there are choices and consequences it can`t be a bad game. Probably somehwere near KOTOR headed or maybe better, dunno. It`s not a new Fallout, but still. Bethesda`s hype is liek "WE FEEL LIEK WE HAVE MADE THE PRIOR FALLOUTS". It is just pure bullshit. And now they come up with bad design choices en masse.

Okay deserved hype sounds stupid and the PiP-boy 3000 has a good design, from what i have read, which is the only great thing so far.

[PiP]

For the record, I think the new combat system is bullshit. However, unlike some of you, I think it might be better than pure RT. (yeah I think KOTOR combat is better for an RPG wannabe than HalfLife combat)
The Mutie looks plain horrible. Generic badass monster. Not Fallouty at all.

Good thing they're trying to implement combat/sneak/diplomacy choice.
'radiation matters' affair also sounds interesting.
And yay we get a dog (companion) and a nice pipboy!

I'm worried that BoS members and supermutants become commonplace objects in the wasteland, just because they look so cool.

my feelings exactly

"A massive undetonated bomb sits in a crater at the center of town... some insane religious zealot kneels at its base..." :retch: terribly unoriginal.

please no more spoilers of this sort. Of any sort actually. I'm purposely not reading the article 'cos I don't wanna know no fucking details, k? I've already learnt too much about the game's beginning.

pre-teens.

now you're really spooking me.

Stick with relevant fallacies plz.

that's the sweetest thing I've heard in a while

how much do you love that diplomacy and stealth are secondary methods/after thoughts in the quest design process?

Baldur's Gate?

wait, you're telling me BG had diplomacy and stealth options?

The Fatman is described as a handheld nukular grenade thrower that you shoot at a nearby supersupermutant who goes up in a cloud of radioactive dust, or something.

Dear god... maybe it's a joke.. I mean MAYBE FUCKING MAYBE?!

[Alexander]

Ok, fine, a personal nukular weapon is plausible, though not likely...

No it isn't. The Davy Crockett was a multiple personel weapon. The Fatman is described as a handheld nukular grenade thrower that you shoot at a nearby supersupermutant who goes up in a cloud of radioactive dust, or something.

Nearby + nuclear explosion + smallest nuclear device available still has a blast radius equal to 10 tons of TNT = very, very stupid

Did you even read my post beyond the first sentence?

Edit:

yeah I think KOTOR combat is better for an RPG wannabe than HalfLife combat

But it is not KOTOR combat, it is just RT with pause... like Max Payne "bullet-time".
KOTOR had rounds, in which each charecter had a limited amount of actions (based on his/her stats), so it resembled "turns".
Fo3 on the other hand, sounds like plain RT that you may pause at your leisure and issue commands that will be performed after you un-pause it.

'radiation matters' affair also sounds interesting.

Sounds like STALKER.

And yay we get a dog (companion) and a nice pipboy! :joy:

Dog is good, I am content with the looks of pipboy.

pre-teens.

now you're really spooking me.

Beth's secret passion for loli -- revealed!

The Fatman is described as a handheld nukular grenade thrower that you shoot at a nearby supersupermutant who goes up in a cloud of radioactive dust, or something.

Dear god... maybe it's a joke.. I mean MAYBE FUCKING MAYBE?!

Let us hope so.

[TelemachusSneezed]

Am I the only one that's completely fucking borked out of his mind more by the inconsistency of their own design ideas (let's make them scared of radiation... no wait, let's have them bask in it in the sewers!)?

That's what I was commenting on earlier, about how casually they throw around "nucular radiashuns"! Bothers the hell out of me too.

You know, I bet you can only use that nuclear catapult thingy once you get a suit of power armor. The BOS seems to appear early in the game, so I'll also bet you get it about 1/4 of the way through the game.

[Mechanurgist]

At this point in time, I'd like to ask: Who didn't expect this to happen? I think you'd have to be terribly naive to expect any better. Then again, at the same time, I myself am surprised at just how right the fan community was.

... I'm as pissed off as most that it isn't isometric, that no real turn-based option is present, and that certain things in the setting aren't very good, but taking that out of account, it may be OK.

It's still possible the game will have brilliant dialogue and a fascinating story.



Hahaha , oh, oh - excuse me - I think I need to wipe the tears from my eyes from laughing too much.

...Finally, who's with me that despite this not being a proper Fallout, it'll probably get RPG of the Year 2008 anyway?

Of course. The market for real RPGs has been denuded of everything that once made it great. I can't imagine anything other than Mass Effect giving it any competition whatsoever. Unless some sappy, crappy Final Fantasy XIVCM comes out at the same time.

Computer RPGs, I weep for thee.

[Dogmeatlives]

I just got the magazine in the mail today and god is this game going to suck. For some reason the suckiness keeps surprising me....

R.I.P. Fallout. You were a good friend

[Cthulhugoat]

I just got the magazine in the mail today and god is this game going to suck. For some reason the suckiness keeps surprising me....

R.I.P. Fallout. You were a good friend

Anything different from the scans?