Duck and Cover

cazsim83 wrote:tl;dr hardly any of it.

lemme sum it up: Oblivion with Guns.

Did you like Oblivion? Would you like an Oblivion mod that let's you use guns, and makes everything look brown and ruined, instead of green and luscious?

Did you answer yes? Buy Fallout 3.

Did you answer no? Don't buy Fallout 3.

'nuff fuckin' said already.

there are spells and trolls in fallout 3?

and i thought i liked it already.

the point for me is this: fallout 2 is one of the strongest arguments for games as literature. will fallout 3 continue that trend of deep storyline? no. there are other points but this is simply the biggest discontinuation.

Caleb wrote:the point for me is this: fallout 2 is one of the strongest arguments for games as literature. will fallout 3 continue that trend of deep storyline? no. there are other points but this is simply the biggest discontinuation.

i'm not going to say that FO3 does have that caliber of dialog.

but how can you possibly know it wont?

Bethesda interviews.

Caleb wrote:Bethesda interviews.

link?

and what did they say our story will be crap?

how about scrolling the news archives? they confirmed quite a bit of consoletardation.

I'm going to buy five boxes and burn them in front of the gamestop

really though, I'm not even going to torrent it

Better idea - upload torrent w/ hidden virus that makes internet homepage meatspin or lemon party, etc.

yes/no?

Caleb wrote:how about scrolling the news archives? they confirmed quite a bit of consoletardation.

i'm not going to look through every article looking for todd to say"ZOMG! STORY LINES ARE FOR DORKS. THE PLOT IS THE LIBERATION OF GENITAL CRABZ!!!"

if you don't have PROOF your point is moot

the_BlackPipMan wrote:traits period is a dumbing down of table top RPG games. its there to make the game easier. (since you usually take traits the boosts your strengths, and the weaknesses are usually not even relevant for the character.

I wish Jinxed always made my games easier.

Heaven forbid that they actually put some work in and balance the things. Arcanum did this very well, as personally I was someone who always had a character who picked up a 2nd or 3rd skill style by the end of the game, depending on what I wanted to do. Fallout Tactics even did this reasonably well with mutant traits. There really isn't any reason why they couldn't sit down for 10 minutes and brainstorm about "this trait seems too awesome and not sacrifical enough... lets gimp it a little".

For a game series that had alot of freedom, they sure do like cutting down options.

i'm not going to say that FO3 does have that caliber of dialog.
but how can you possibly know it wont?

Bethsoft has never done decent dialog in a game. Ever. If you ask someone to make you a cheese sandwich and they piss all over it every time you do, what makes you think they'll actually make you a cheese sandwich the 5th time you asked for one? It's an application of logic that is in use (hopefully) every day. Conversely people expected good writing from BIS, because in the past they had proven they could. If they do pull it off, good on them. It only took them some 10-15 odd years to finally fucking do it.

the_BlackPipMan wrote:

Caleb wrote:how about scrolling the news archives? they confirmed quite a bit of consoletardation.

i'm not going to look through every article looking for todd to say"ZOMG! STORY LINES ARE FOR DORKS. THE PLOT IS THE LIBERATION OF GENITAL CRABZ!!!"

if you don't have PROOF your point is moot

do your research before boasting.

Caleb wrote:

the_BlackPipMan wrote:

Caleb wrote:how about scrolling the news archives? they confirmed quite a bit of consoletardation.

i'm not going to look through every article looking for todd to say"ZOMG! STORY LINES ARE FOR DORKS. THE PLOT IS THE LIBERATION OF GENITAL CRABZ!!!"

if you don't have PROOF your point is moot

do your research before boasting.

research the definition of boast before using it.

You're fooling yourself if you think that the brains behind wikidialogue, the persuasion minigame, and the grey, inane shit that passes for dialog that Bethesda is known for is suddenly going to get better because the name Fallout is on the box.

Face it, the people who established everything that is Fallout, are, to a man, not at all involved with this game. You are however getting the entire team behind such LCD tripe as Oblivion.

Your cause for pride is to think that you have an argument. Sorry, but I can't see any misuse in my previous post.