Van Buren poll on DAC

Zbyram · Post by **Zbyram** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:52 am

Are we really, I mean really 100% sure that Van Buren IS Fallout 3?

On a side note, look at this http://forums.interplay.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0
There are really hordes of idiots who would like another D&D shit more than Fo3. I'm a bit amazed, the bastards don't know what they're talking about + there's lots of them.

Sammael · Post by **Sammael** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:58 am

While I don't post on IPLY anymore, please refrain from calling people who were looking forward to Jefferson "hordes of idiots."

As for your question, it is truly a mystary.

Zbyram · Post by **Zbyram** » Sun May 18, 2003 11:10 am

I don't believe in good mystaries anymore. Dunno if they have the guts to actually go for Fo3.

Killzig · Post by **Killzig** » Sun May 18, 2003 12:41 pm

MYSTERY :D it's called "fucking with you guys" take it for what it is, a poll.

Zbyram · Post by **Zbyram** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:17 pm

It's an evil poll, giving hope to those who have none.

spyder07 · Post by **spyder07** » Sun May 18, 2003 3:41 pm

I was just going to make a post about this. So this is a load of shit?

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Sun May 18, 2003 3:44 pm

Hordes of idiots.. As seen here:

http://forums.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=21760

The above is a request for medieval weapons in Fallout 3. One guy comes close to getting things by bringing up a vibroblade, but fails to know that's what a Ripper is. Go figure.

http://forums.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=21756

Here's a request for Ninjas in Fallout 3. I don't think I even have to point out how lame and out of place that one really is.

http://forums.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=21727

Here's a thread about music in Fallout 3. I once stated on Vault13.net that the What type of music should be in Fallout 3 question is probably the easiest and best question to use to find people who don't have any clue about the setting. It flushes them out better than anything.

Zbyram · Post by **Zbyram** » Sun May 18, 2003 3:51 pm

The one about music is nice... Cradle of Filth...

But back to the topic, I'm sceptical about Van Buren. We had similar situations with earlier projects. I just don't want to be disappointed again so I'm not going to believe it until I see it. (wishful thinking, I believe already

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Sammael · Post by **Sammael** » Sun May 18, 2003 4:16 pm

You are perfectly aware of who 6'8" Trollord is and why the ninjas request was not a real one. In fact, most of the posts in that thread are sarcastic.

The music thread is also a parody.

As for the "primitive" weapons, if there are spears in the game why shouldn't there be bows? I mean, from a purely practical tribal hunting perspective, I'd prefer a bow to a spear. Then again, I know some of you can't stand the fact that there are tribals in the FO world, so I'll leave it at that.

BTW, S_P, all those threads were made in conjunction with FO3. Which, if anything, indicates that the remaining FO3 fans at IPLY are "hordes of idiots," not Jefferson fans.

EDIT: that last sentence doesn't sound like I wanted it to sound. I don't think any group of people can be labeled "hordes of idiots," regardless of what I think of their opinion.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Sun May 18, 2003 5:51 pm

Lets put it this way Zbyram, we know shit about what kind of game Fallout 3 will be but there has been numeros of hints dropped about that Jefferson game, and from what little I read about it, it didn’t sound like just another shitty dnd game..
It is hard to be exited about something you know nothing of how it will turn out, for all we know at this moment is that, Van Buren (if it is Fallout 3) may just be another shitty game with the Fallout label.
Wait until we have some info about it before getting your hopes up..

And a side note:
Saint, are you surprised about those threads? Don’t you remember all those Mad Car Wars/giant space station- threads over at the old Bis Forum?

Zbyram · Post by **Zbyram** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:09 pm

Vergilius wrote:Van Buren (if it is Fallout 3) may just be another shitty game with the Fallout label.

Well, not exactly... BIS hasn't made a shitty Fallout game so far. FOT and FOBOS are/were made by other people. IF they start working on Fo3 I think it's pretty safe to say they'll work their asses off to make it the right way. But that's not the problem right now, right now we want Van Buren to be Fo3.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:35 pm

Sammael wrote: As for the "primitive" weapons, if there are spears in the game why shouldn't there be bows? I mean, from a purely practical tribal hunting perspective, I'd prefer a bow to a spear. Then again, I know some of you can't stand the fact that there are tribals in the FO world, so I'll leave it at that.

It's quite simple. Try making a spear. You can do it out of nearly ANYTHING. Hell, find a metal pole and file a point on it. A wooden one could be made out of some scrap wood, but I wouldn't trust some of the trees as they look sickly, but the tribals managed to make some.

Then try to make a bow from a sickly tree. It's hard enough and time-consuming enough to make one from good materials, but to find good enough supplies to make a bow, it would take much longer. You also need to find the right kind of wood, you just can't use just any tree or some scrap lumber.

For the tribal's way of life, a bow is pretty useless for the amount of work required. It's nearly useless against someone with a gun, and to hunt geckos, a spear will do.

Now for the protagonist's view. You're going to do all that kind of work when there's guns and bullets still around, and a spear is much easier to use? A crossbow made from some or all metal parts would be much more feasable, but would be the sign of an insane mind when it also involves the amount of work and how large it would have to be compared to a gun.

Finding a bow left over from before the war wouldn't work, as while there are some old bows that still can be fired, they need a lot of upkeep and the arrows would become a little ratty. You would also need to replace the string, unless you want to lose an eye.

You also forget one thing...where to get the feathers from?

Zbyram wrote:Well, not exactly... BIS hasn't made a shitty Fallout game so far. FOT and FOBOS are/were made by other people. IF they start working on Fo3 I think it's pretty safe to say they'll work their asses off to make it the right way. But that's not the problem right now, right now we want Van Buren to be Fo3.

Refresh my memory...

Who was it that put New Reno into Fallout 2?

Who put countless shitty easter eggs into Fallout 2?

Who worked on bullshit things before making sure the game was ready to ship, causing the game to be incredibly buggy even after "patched"?

Who is still under Interplay's management?

Who doesn't have any of the original developers on their team?

Killzig · Post by **Killzig** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:42 pm

oooo ooo I know the answer!!! BIS!!! am I right? Do I get a cookie?

Zbyram · Post by **Zbyram** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:49 pm

Rosh wrote:Refresh my memory...

Who was it that put New Reno into Fallout 2?

Who put countless shitty easter eggs into Fallout 2?

Who worked on bullshit things before making sure the game was ready to ship, causing the game to be incredibly buggy even after "patched"?

Who is still under Interplay's management?

Who doesn't have any of the original developers on their team?

STILL Fo2 was a good game. The only Fo games that deserve the adjective shitty were FOT and FOBOS. Yeah I know that Fo2 had bugs and easter eggs, I played the game A LOT for God's sake. I want Fo3 anyway, shit it's what the whole community was waiting for years. Do you have any solution to make it better? I know, make everyone return to BIS or sell the rights to Tim Cain. Great, wait for that.

Sammael · Post by **Sammael** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:51 pm

Who doesn't have any of the original developers on their team?

Except Chris Jones, you mean.

J.E. Sawyer wrote:This has been said before, but people don't like to actually remember it: Fallout's lead designer, Chris Taylor, works at Vivendi. One of Fallout's two lead programmers, Chris Jones, works at Black Isle.

Sammael · Post by **Sammael** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:53 pm

Rosh wrote:<snip bow theory>

Good points, BTW.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Sun May 18, 2003 9:24 pm

Sammael wrote:
Who doesn't have any of the original developers on their team?
Except Chris Jones, you mean.

Ah, good point. I had forgotten about them, yet...well, they're in a code monkey position and not quite in a design position, so that kind of has the same effect as my original point. Unfortunate, though. :/

Zbyram wrote: STILL Fo2 was a good game. The only Fo games that deserve the adjective shitty were FOT and FOBOS. Yeah I know that Fo2 had bugs and easter eggs,

That's only a point of your perspective. From a technical point, it's pretty good that Tim Cain and the others laid down some groundwork before they left.

Thusly my argument still stands about BIS, however, and your "points" are pretty much renedered irrelevent.

I played the game A LOT for God's sake.

Irrelevent, again.

I want Fo3 anyway, shit it's what the whole community was waiting for years.

But not a poor Fo3. Is any of this sinking in yet?

Do you have any solution to make it better?

One has been pointed out a number of times in another thread, two threads in fact, but you've apparently been too oblivious to see it.

I know, make everyone return to BIS or sell the rights to Tim Cain. Great, wait for that.

Yup, I see you're still using asinine hyperbole as some kind of argument. Too bad it's ridiculous as hell.

Zbyram · Post by **Zbyram** » Sun May 18, 2003 9:31 pm

I don't agree. I'll be waiting for the game. You should hang yourself. That's all.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Sun May 18, 2003 9:35 pm

Zbyram wrote:I don't agree. I'll be waiting for the game. You should hang yourself. That's all.

Another stunning waste of bandwidth. Who could expect anything less of you, hm?

Prunk · Post by **Prunk** » Sun May 18, 2003 11:51 pm

A lot of people on this forum need to get out more, methinks ...