JE Sawyer on Fallout 3 being IWD3

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:37 am

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On the subject of Fallout 3, in <A href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth ... 7788">this thread</a> on the <A href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/">Something Awful forums</a>, some guy made the comment of how he hoped the game wouldn't end up being another <A href="http://icewind2.blackisle.com">Icewind Dale 2</a>. JE Sawyer, God bless him, responded with this:
 
 
 <blockquote>rope kid AKA JE Sawyer
 Joined: Feb 03, 2001
 dead baby
 
 <blockquote>quote:
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 Mr.Balls came out of the closet to say:
 I'd hate to see Fallout turn into another BG 2 - ID1-2 just because people want to work on FALLOUT - "Hay I have got so many great ideas that are little bit different from the original concept but hay I can maek this gaem great lolol also it will look great in mah portfolio."
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 YES, BECAUSE ALL I EVER WANTED TO WORK ON WERE GAMES LIKE ICEWIND DALE AND ICEWIND DALE 2. I LOVE THEM! I CAN'T GET E-FUCKING-NOUGH OF THEM. PLEASE, MORE! WOO-HOO! I'M A FIDDLER CRAB! IT'S FUCKING FIDDLER CRAB SEASON!</blockquote>
 
 This is why I <3 JE Sawyer. He's not afraid of going on the offensive! I just hope he doesn't flee from the internet again after seeing this post.
 
 Thanks to the nice guy who sent me this, but I'm not saying who it was.

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:40 am

Well he may not want to do another DnD title but that doesn't mean he doesn' want to make FallDale: THE MASTERS REVENGE.

We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:49 am

Why doesn't he come to DaC, Codex, NMA and talk, instead of going to some half assed site? He talks more to the retards than the fans.

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:14 am

POOPERSCOOPER wrote:Why doesn't he come to DaC, Codex, NMA and talk, instead of going to some half assed site? He talks more to the retards than the fans.

Someone onced told me that the SA forums are funny... well I'd rather not pay $10 to be able to post in a forum (besides genmay is free), but my guess would be JE, being a normal human, just like the rest of us, post there becuase he likes the forum. Being a game dev is his job, not his life. Granted, he should be really enthusiactic about making games but that doesn't mean he has to be a fanatical game/genre follower like us.

Zetura Dracos · Post by **Zetura Dracos** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 4:15 am

That's good. Interesting developments going on over there, Im begining to think we may actually have chance at a Fallout 3 and I must say that the guy who wrote the quoted thing should get his ass back in the closet and shut the fuck up as he's obviously ignorant to no end. Actually in hind sight I may put him in my fanfic should I ever get around to writing it.

Mr Carrot · Post by **Mr Carrot** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:36 pm

IWD and IWD2 suck.

The people who made Fallout didnt work on either of these games, the people that did are possibly working on Fallout 3. Thus he has a point.

Zetura Dracos · Post by **Zetura Dracos** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:42 pm

IWD and IWD2 dont necesarily suck, though the original was pretty damn close before the graphical update. Its jsut not a Fallout game nor is it in the post apocalyptic genre so just about everyone here seems to think its total shit which is a damned crappy aditude. The fact that Black Isle hasnt made Fallout 3 yet isnt necesarilly their fault no matter how much they may like to, just like the fact that theyve made so many Forgotten Realms games. Im sure they'd like to make something but thats what sells so thats what Interplay is endorsing and like it or not a fantasy based roleplaying game is ultimately going to do much better than a post-apocalyptic/sci-fi/modern one simply for the fact that there are no major p&p ones that have already drawn peoples interests. I have no idea why the hell I've gotten so far off topic about this but the point is that you shouldnt trash every single thing that you dont aprove of one hundered percent simply because you dont.

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:57 pm

have to agree w mr balls. je sawyer sounds like he wants to change everything about fallout.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 4:28 pm

peasofme wrote:have to agree w mr balls. je sawyer sounds like he wants to change everything about fallout.

On what excactly do you base it?
And don't just say "because he worked on IWD", show me where he said he wants to chagne everything about Fallout.

Also, posting one line of a random thought without putting anything to support it doesn't make you look very smart.

Mr Carrot · Post by **Mr Carrot** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 7:50 pm

I can and I will

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:40 pm

Mr Carrot wrote:I can and I will

Stop butting in, lol.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:42 am

Zetura Dracos wrote:IWD and IWD2 dont necesarily suck

IWD2 is the shittiest game I've played in a long time.
Nuff said.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:10 am

Too much combat, not enough fun. A combat-centric dungeon crawl could be done well. It wouldn't even need diplomatic options like ToEE will have. But the thing about both IWDs is that there are too many annoying fights. These are fights that are so hard that they're just plain annoying, and certainly not fun.

Zetura Dracos · Post by **Zetura Dracos** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:36 am

I will admit that there were a lot of annoying fights in IWD and IWD2 but I still have to say they were better than the single player portion of the Diablo games

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 8:56 am

Zetura Dracos wrote:I will admit that there were a lot of annoying fights in IWD and IWD2 but I still have to say they were better than the single player portion of the Diablo games

Why? Because IWD had a kazillion spells and uber magic items? The bigger the better? I loved playing Diablo 1. It was nice, relaxing, not to complicated. Not that much story in Diablo, but hey, then I tried BG and Torment =). Then Fallout and I didnt always like the combat, (even though I loved the story) since it tends to go over the top waay to fast. Having gigantic guns and enemies with 20000HP usually doesnt make combat better in my opinion. Diablos combat, spells and items didnt go from rusty dagger to killerslayersword 10 minutes into the game. Which the IWD games tend to do. Diablo 2 does as well, so notice that when I say Diablo I only mean the first game.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:44 am

Zetura Dracos wrote:I will admit that there were a lot of annoying fights in IWD and IWD2 but I still have to say they were better than the single player portion of the Diablo games

You can't really compare these games since Diablo doesn't even try to imitate CRPG-like storytelling, it's a pure action game. IWD isn't that great in storytelling either, at least if you're not a fan of elves and dwarves and all that crap. Both games are combat oriented, Diablo being the better one here(my opinion). Simple, fast-paced combat in atmospheric environments combined with various skills/spells you can quickly access is TEH W1N. The combat in IE games is just terrible, worst being the AI of foes and your own party members. That makes controlling the situation very difficult, forcing you to pause every 5 seconds. Pausing the game in middle of an intense fight hurts the gaming experience. Spell usage without pausing is almost impossible.

Zetura Dracos · Post by **Zetura Dracos** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:19 pm

Damn. Youre all right. I dont know what the hell I was doing defending the original. I actually hated the original the first time I played it and then picked up the expansion for some reason a year or so later and actually enjoyed that more. I liked the second one though, not well but I did. I think it's just turned into some subconcious urge to buy any game that Black Isle puts out in a feeble hope tp keep the company running so that they could make Fallout 3 someday. Its stupid and dosent make sense but somehow it loks like it may have payed off. Who knows, a bit of change may be good for the Fallout setting. Im not saying they should make it into Icewind Dale, that would be the shittiest idea ever, but after five years there are bound to be some changes in the setting and that may just be what the game needs to recover from all the crappy knock-offs. Once again I make no sense, I really need to stop posting right after I wake up.

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:20 pm

1 line makes u look stupid. 3 lines makes u look like a genius. the diablo games were much better than the iwd ones. although they are diff kinds of games anyway. iwd games are easily the worst infinity engine games by far.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 9:06 pm

I had a little fun with the IWD games, even if I got fucking tired of IWD2 at the end. The problem with those games is that they try to be, basically, story-light and combat-heavy BG. However, since BG is already story-light and combat-heavy, you end up with not enough and too much.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:03 am

peasofme wrote:1 line makes u look stupid. 3 lines makes u look like a genius.

Well, I hope everyone has the opportunity to enjoy the irony of the above statement.

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