JE Sawyer on Fallout 3 being IWD3

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:44 am

thats an excellent observation spazmo. i never really thought of it that way.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:52 am

Rosh wrote:
peasofme wrote:1 line makes u look stupid. 3 lines makes u look like a genius.
Well, I hope everyone has the opportunity to enjoy the irony of the above statement.

haha... Can't say I haven't tried, though.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:01 am

Spazmo wrote:I had a little fun with the IWD games, even if I got fucking tired of IWD2 at the end. The problem with those games is that they try to be, basically, story-light and combat-heavy BG. However, since BG is already story-light and combat-heavy, you end up with not enough and too much.

Planescape: Torment did the exact opposite. That's why it turned out to be good.

Zetura Dracos · Post by **Zetura Dracos** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:22 pm

True, Torment was quite good. It had a lot of exelently written dialogue that brought the interaction level up, the story while cliched was interesting, combat was spase but not sparse enough that you got bored, and they really got the setting right. In a lot of ways thats how I'd like to see FO3 come out buecause that combination of things was what really stood out for me in Fallout but games like FO2 and Tactics seemed to lack.

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:33 pm

planescape was ok. a little too much reading. and the game is too linear. almost more of an adventure game than a rpg. once u pass one stage, u move on to another, and if u didnt build ur char up enuff for the next stage ur kind of fucked. personally id like to see a dark sun sequel rather than another planescape game.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:31 pm

It's getting to the point where I miss the text substitutions I made over at NMA.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:20 pm

I personally thought that PS:T had too much combat, but that may just be because I despise RT combat.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:35 pm

peasofme wrote:planescape was ok. a little too much reading.

OH NOEZ!!! READIGN! Certainly not fun for you illiterate or semi-literate folks, I guess, but a good addition for those who can.

peasofme wrote:and the game is too linear. almost more of an adventure game than a rpg. once u pass one stage, u move on to another, and if u didnt build ur char up enuff for the next stage ur kind of fucked.

Uhm kinda like BG?

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:46 pm

Doyle wrote:I personally thought that PS:T had too much combat, but that may just be because I despise RT combat.

I really didn't like PS:T's combat (rt/p = poop) and I absolutly hate the IE engine. But it really seemed like fun, shame I couldn't get into it...

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:23 pm

Well, combat was concentrated only for some levels. It didn't help the fact that PS:T had worse combat than any other IE game. PS:T was linear, sure, but it still offered several ways to play the game, the different choices in dialogue alone are worth mentioning. PS:T had perhaps the best dialogue in games ever. The rest was sort of lacking(except for the atmosphere), which made playing a non-dialogue character less enjoyable.

I spent hours in the Modron maze, arrr. :x

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 3:24 pm

wow, finally people come out to criticize planescape. usually its just a bunch of fanboys saying stfu if u say anything critical about it. u cant have it both ways. either u support criticism of games or u dont. this site bashes interplay for shutting down the forums cause of criticism but yet they bash anyone who has something critical to say.

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 3:27 pm

peasofme wrote:wow, finally people come out to criticize planescape. usually its just a bunch of fanboys saying stfu if u say anything critical about it. u cant have it both ways. either u support criticism of games or u dont. this site bashes interplay for shutting down the forums cause of criticism but yet they bash anyone who has something critical to say.

We only bash idiots.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 6:17 pm

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the game. The atmosphere, the interactions, it was great in a lot of areas. The first time you really get into a game, and you aren't just clicking a mouse and watching a screen anymore is a really incredible time. You forget where you really are, what you're doing, and you ignore most of the game's flaws. You're really into the game.

With the Fallouts, and Arcanum I felt like that the entire way through once I got into them. Even though Torment was in many ways better than these games -- I have to agree that the dialog is the best I've seen -- the combat elements were so awful that it ruined the feeling for me. I never did finish it, even though I became engrossed in the game like I had with Fallout.

Slave_Master · Post by **Slave_Master** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:00 pm

If PST had turnbased combat and multiple endings, plus actual evil things a player can do, it would absolutely pwn.

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:19 pm

Slave_Master wrote:If PST had turnbased combat and multiple endings, plus actual evil things a player can do, it would absolutely pwn.

also would have been nice if the NPCs were NPCs and did their own thing, like walking. And fighting.

Slave_Master · Post by **Slave_Master** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:23 pm

And if it didn't have a piece of shit engine. Although the turnbased combat part kind of implies that it wouldn't have IE.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:27 am

I really enjoyed playing PS:T, it was a great game.

But, any time I had to fight I got annoyed. The combat there is so bad, it actually made me lose intrest at some point.
I did finish the game, because it was good, but it could have been so much better.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:36 pm

I think it showed that BIS could do story-driven games if they wanted to. Sadly, I don't think that is the case nowadays. Fallout 3 will probably be another Icewind Dale.

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 5:26 pm

great, well i'll keep bringing up things that get people talking about the games and u can keep calling people idiots and flaming people for their views.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:26 pm

peasofme wrote:great, well i'll keep bringing up things that get people talking about the games and u can keep calling people idiots and flaming people for their views.

What? Who are you talking to?