T3:Rise of the Machines kicks ass.

[Neon Dingo]

I got back from T3. It was...a piece of shit. It shouldn't have even been made. It didn't advance the series at all.

Not nearly as clever as T2. Action scenes don't live up at all. T3 is basically a remake of T2.

TX isn't scary like the T-1000 was. She's just a really pretty manequin that doesn't go down so easily. The T-1000 can walk through bars, slide under doors, turn into a walking knife. Hell, he could turn into a woman if he wanted to, and he did. The T-1000 was infinitely cooler and more creative. TX is a female for absolutely no reason. She wears high heels for no reason (Because we all know that high heels are the best shoes for running high speeds to catch cars!) and her hair is in a perfect perm when she comes out of the time machine. The T-1000 did a better job of ass kicking in the second one. I also think the CG was better in the second one.

T3 is nothing more than a remake of T2. It's the exact same plot basically. Same things are done. TX jumps on top of car and tries to kill John. There's a chase scene with big cars. Same bar scene. Same police surrounding then and them busting out. Except it was all much more watered-down.

One of the stupidest scenes in the movie is when TX is pulled over by a cop, looks at a Victoria's Secretâ„¢ sign (obvious product placement) and gets the idea to augment her breasts. Yeah, and what does she do? She doesn't seduce the cop but rather STEALS HIS GUN. Yes, what the fuck was the point of growing her breasts if she doesn't even use it to get out of a ticket? I'll tell you what the point was. To appeal to horny teenage boys and to make them think this movie is awesome. Which it definitely wasn't.

The other really stupid scene was when Arnold walks into a bar (Which is the exact same thing they did in T2, they could have done something a lot more creative) and looks for some clothes. They have a fucking gay male stripper (They didn't do that shit before because making fun of gay people wasn't in the mainstream during T2) do this "talk to the hand" bullshit. So he steals his clothes, walks outside and puts on STAR SUNGLASSES. I didn't think it was funny at all. It was stupid as hell and out of place. Too many moments of bad comedy in this movie.

Oh yeah, and he does a follow-up of "talk to the hand" when he steals a bunch of food from a convenience store that just falls flat on its face.

I also hated the cheesy use of "She'll be back" when TX falls down the elevator shaft.

I hated how TX appeared in that manequin booth. For one, itt's stupid. Two, it's stupid. Three, the CG sucked ass for the melting manequin face. Oh yeah, it was also very, very stupid.

The action scene at the graveyard was a sorry attempt at topping the shootout scene in T2 at the computer company building. Didn't even come close.

I liked how Sarah Connor conveniently died because the actress divorced James Cameron, the original (and good) director of the first two. Yeah, that's real nice. Kill off Sarah Connor for no reason. Stupid.

Claire Danes is not hot.

The Terminators somehow know that they're both at the animal clinic.

The sound effects were HORRIBLE. I recall one part where Connor drives his truck into an inflatable toy thing and it makes these really cartoony bouncing noises.

CG was average at best. The action was OK, but completely irrelevant in the post-Matrix 2 climate. Compare the chase scene of The Matrix 2 versus the chase scene in T3. Yeah, you'd be a complete idiot with the I.Q. of plankton to choose T3.

Oh yeah, the idea of hotwiring a car with a virus to drive it is completely unfeasable because, in case you didn't notice, cars aren't entirely electric yet. It still requires a lot of manual work to movie the machinery. That was pretty damn stupid right there.

Make-up was horrible. You could see the metal stickers move when Arnold talked. He had metal peeking out around the right side of his mouth where there IS NO METAL.

The music sucked. Standard Hollywood violin scores. None of that cool as hell clanging metal techno music from the first two.

Overall the movie was just an overbudgeted Hollywood action flick that (once again) raped a good sci-fi series for a bunch of money. It wasn't nearly as good as the first two by any means.

Lame.

Anyone who liked this should probably stop snorting lines of Ajaxâ„¢ before they go to the theater.

[bloodbathmaster2]

What do you have against Ajax? It makes the colors so much more vivid!

*snorts some more Ajax and wanders blindly for a few hours*

[S4ur0n27]

Try Liquid Paper, I did this in school when I was like 8-9

[Neon Dingo]

Nah nah nah...

The real shit to do is

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Reddi Whipâ„¢
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Put 3 or 4 tablespoons of nutmeg in a glass of milk and you'll be seeing things for 6 hours. It's like LSD basically. Nutmeg also contains some of the same chemicals ecstasy contains.

For the Reddi-Whipâ„¢ you have to inhale the nitrous oxide fumes that shoot out the whipped cream. Really brief euphoric high, makes you pass out.

After doing both of these several times then you can go see Terminator 3. You will like it.

[Strap]

What do you have against Ajax? It makes the colors so much more vivid!

*snorts some more Ajax and wanders blindly for a few hours*

how can you snort my dog?? his name is ajax...

or do you mean the common household sink cleaner?

[bloodbathmaster2]

Actually consuming nutmeg really does nothing. You'd have to eat more nutmeg than you'd ever want to if you want to get high.

[BlackDog]

I got back from T3. It was...a piece of shit. It shouldn't have even been made. It didn't advance the series at all.

Not nearly as clever as T2. Action scenes don't live up at all. T3 is basically a remake of T2.

Blah Blah Blah Blah BLAH.

Lame.

Anyone who liked this should probably stop snorting lines of Ajaxâ„¢ before they go to the theater.

Basically you are the one who was either on drugs or asleep the whole fucking time during the movie. ROFL. Newb.

[Neon Dingo]

All I have to say is I just saw T2 again and...

T2 > T3

And yes, it takes like 3 tablespoons of nutmeg (which is a damn lot) to do anything. Plus nutmeg tastes like ASS so you need to put it in milk or it will make you want to die. A friend of mine ingested it by itself and he said he could taste the nutmeg weeks after the high wore off.

[Saint_Proverbius]

I got back from T3. It was...a piece of shit. It shouldn't have even been made. It didn't advance the series at all.

It doesn't assfuck the series like T2 did, either.

TX isn't scary like the T-1000 was. She's just a really pretty manequin that doesn't go down so easily. The T-1000 can walk through bars, slide under doors, turn into a walking knife.

Meanwhile, the T-X has a plasma cannon, a blade saw, flame thrower, and various other weapons built in. Turning in to a floor or walking through bars just doesn't quite match up with a built in arsenal of high tech weapons. Even mentioning the knife thing when the T-X has that plasma cannon as to why the T-1000 is "cooler" reminds me of the joke about bringing a knife to a gun fight. Then again, it's not like the T-X couldn't do the knife trick as well, but why bother when you have a gun arm?

Hell, he could turn into a woman if he wanted to, and he did.

Who gives a rat's ass? The T-X could turn in to a man, and did! What the hell kind of point is this?

The T-1000 was infinitely cooler and more creative.

How is the T-1000 more creative? It's a fucking metal Schmoo.

TX is a female for absolutely no reason.

Maybe because humans have two genders? If all terminators were male, then you'd stop checking if females were terminators, wouldn't you?

She wears high heels for no reason (Because we all know that high heels are the best shoes for running high speeds to catch cars!)

Let's keep in mind the T-X isn't human and while her heels make look like normal shoes, they're still the same polymemetic alloy that makes up the rest of her skin.

and her hair is in a perfect perm when she comes out of the time machine.

Robert Patrick's hair was pretty stylish when he came out also. Are we just nitpicking now? I think we are!

The T-1000 did a better job of ass kicking in the second one.

I don't remember the T-1000 stomping the T-800's head off.

I also think the CG was better in the second one.

You've got to be kidding. That part where the T-1000 pulled the bar out of his side was cheese extreme. Hell, I bet most of the things you credit the CG for were actually prop work in T2.

T3 is nothing more than a remake of T2. It's the exact same plot basically. Same things are done.

And T2 was the same exact plot as T1 in case you missed it.

TX jumps on top of car and tries to kill John.

In T1, the T-800 jumps on the hood of a car and tries to kill Sarah.

There's a chase scene with big cars.

There was one in T1, too.

Same bar scene.

There was a bar scene in T1.

Same police surrounding then and them busting out. Except it was all much more watered-down.

Kind of like the police station scene in T1?

One of the stupidest scenes in the movie is when TX is pulled over by a cop, looks at a Victoria's Secret? sign (obvious product placement) and gets the idea to augment her breasts. Yeah, and what does she do? She doesn't seduce the cop but rather STEALS HIS GUN. Yes, what the fuck was the point of growing her breasts if she doesn't even use it to get out of a ticket? I'll tell you what the point was. To appeal to horny teenage boys and to make them think this movie is awesome. Which it definitely wasn't.

She didn't steal his gun, you twit. She was seducing him. BTW, I think you answered your own question about why have female terminators. :roll:

I hated how TX appeared in that manequin booth. For one, itt's stupid. Two, it's stupid. Three, the CG sucked ass for the melting manequin face. Oh yeah, it was also very, very stupid.

That wasn't CG.

The action scene at the graveyard was a sorry attempt at topping the shootout scene in T2 at the computer company building. Didn't even come close.

No, it wasn't. It was the T-X using the police to get at John Connor.

I liked how Sarah Connor conveniently died because the actress divorced James Cameron, the original (and good) director of the first two. Yeah, that's real nice. Kill off Sarah Connor for no reason. Stupid.

James Cameron wasn't involved in this at all, so you have no point about her divorcing him and not being in this one. Also, at some point,. John Connor has to be his own man, and not let his mother do his dirty work for him. Of course, if Linda Hamilton had been written in to this movie, rather than this being about John, you'd have added that to your list of Why T3 is a rip off of T2.

Claire Danes is not hot.

She doesn't have to be. Linda Hamilton wasn't exactly stellar babe either.

The Terminators somehow know that they're both at the animal clinic.

Uhhh.. No, they don't. They're looking for Claire Danes' character, who works for that clinic, because the T-800 is sent back to protect Claire Danes and John Connor while the T-X is sent back to kill all of John's lieutinants. That part was spelled out in the movie.

CG was average at best. The action was OK, but completely irrelevant in the post-Matrix 2 climate. Compare the chase scene of The Matrix 2 versus the chase scene in T3. Yeah, you'd be a complete idiot with the I.Q. of plankton to choose T3.

Kind of like someone who couldn't figure out why they'd make female terminators?

Oh yeah, the idea of hotwiring a car with a virus to drive it is completely unfeasable because, in case you didn't notice, cars aren't entirely electric yet. It still requires a lot of manual work to movie the machinery. That was pretty damn stupid right there.

I agree, but it wasn't a virus that did that!

[bloodbathmaster2]

Nanites rule.

ANd BTW - I liked the T3 chase scene more than I liked the one in Matrix 2

[Neon Dingo]

Before I start to argue about something that doesn't even exist I'd like to say that yes, I was being a nitpicky asshole because yes, I had very high expectations and I was let down.

It doesn't assfuck the series like T2 did, either.

Provide a few examples of how T2 "assfucks" the series (It not being a series before T2 was released) and then we'll talk.

Meanwhile, the T-X has a plasma cannon, a blade saw, flame thrower, and various other weapons built in. Turning in to a floor or walking through bars just doesn't quite match up with a built in arsenal of high tech weapons. Even mentioning the knife thing when the T-X has that plasma cannon as to why the T-1000 is "cooler" reminds me of the joke about bringing a knife to a gun fight. Then again, it's not like the T-X couldn't do the knife trick as well, but why bother when you have a gun arm?

First of all, the T-X is just lame. Let's add a plasma cannon and a saw! That will make her really cool! Not. She didn't even really use her weapons all that effectively to justify her being any better than the T-1000 in my opinion.

Who gives a rat's ass? The T-X could turn in to a man, and did! What the hell kind of point is this?

No point. I just hated the female terminator.

How is the T-1000 more creative? It's a fucking metal Schmoo.

First of all, the T-X is just a regular T-101 combined with a T-1000. Nothing creative about that. Just highly derivative. T-X is metal. T-101 is metal. So? He was a walking knife goddammit. That's fucking cool. T-1000 melded to the floor. That was awesome. T-1000 opened an elevator with his knife arms. They just expanded on those ideas for T-X basically.

Maybe because humans have two genders? If all terminators were male, then you'd stop checking if females were terminators, wouldn't you?

Alright, I'd like to know who checks who's a terminator when in fact nobody knows what the hell a Terminator is except for the main characters. They made T-X a female because they wanted to try something new and wanted to give a bunch of guys (the target audience) boners. I thought she was lame as hell. She didn't have the intimidation that the T-1000 had with his scrawny angular face. She was a manequin, goddammit.

Let's keep in mind the T-X isn't human and while her heels make look like normal shoes, they're still the same polymemetic alloy that makes up the rest of her skin.

...Right. But that still doesn't make them any more balanced than regular shoes.

Robert Patrick's hair was pretty stylish when he came out also. Are we just nitpicking now? I think we are!

Yes, I am nitpicking. But I'm nitpicking this specific thing because the female terminator idea is fucking stupid.

I don't remember the T-1000 stomping the T-800's head off.

You must have totally missed the part where the T-1000 ran a 2 ton steel beam into the side of the Terminator five times. Oh yeah, and the part where he gets the Terminator's arm ripped off. Oh yeah, and the part where he stabs him with a metal pole. T-X doesn't really kick his ass. She just "corrupts his system" and he somehow overwrites this corruption with the compassion of John Connor. Please.

You've got to be kidding. That part where the T-1000 pulled the bar out of his side was cheese extreme. Hell, I bet most of the things you credit the CG for were actually prop work in T2.

Yeah, that wasn't very good, but I think that for the time it was done it looked really damn good and it still looks very good to this day. I should have said "I think the CG in T2 was better at the time."

And T2 was the same exact plot as T1 in case you missed it.

Wrong. You see, T2 tricks you into thinking another machine is after Connor, like in the first one. But wait! Arnold Schwarzenegger is the protector! And we have a new machine that wants to kill him! T3 it's the same thing as T2. Arnold protects Connor, new advanced machine comes after him.

In T1, the T-800 jumps on the hood of a car and tries to kill Sarah.

Don't recall that, but you're probably right.

There was a bar scene in T1.

Not at all. That was a dance club. And that wasn't a setup scene like the bar scenes were in T2 and T3. I'm trying to show how the T3 bar scene is a derivative of the one in T2, only really, really gay.

Kind of like the police station scene in T1?

Not at all. That was the Terminator going directly after the police officers and kicking their ass. It wasn't like they were holed up inside somewhere fighting cops. And that scene rocked so much more than the one in T3 did, you cannot possibly deny it.

She didn't steal his gun, you twit. She was seducing him. BTW, I think you answered your own question about why have female terminators.

Haha, except she did. Think about this for a minute. "Hey officer, I have large breasts. I want your sex. CAN I HAVE YOUR GUN?" Give me a break. No matter how much of a horndog a police officer may be, he's not stupid enough to give his gun to anyone. And remember the scene in T2 where the T-1000 walks up to an officer on a motorcycle? "Say, that's a nice bike..." And you see him in the next scene with his helmet, his sunglasses, and his bike. Now either that cop was a homosexual and the T-1000 "seduced" him, or he stabbed him in the gut with his sword arm. I think I'm going with the latter.

That wasn't CG.

That was CG. I know CG when I see it and it was very poorly done CG. Prove me wrong.

James Cameron wasn't involved in this at all, so you have no point about her divorcing him and not being in this one. Also, at some point,. John Connor has to be his own man, and not let his mother do his dirty work for him. Of course, if Linda Hamilton had been written in to this movie, rather than this being about John, you'd have added that to your list of Why T3 is a rip off of T2.

I know James Cameron wasn't involved. Which is why Linda Hamilton conveniently isn't in this one anymore. I just hate it when movies change directors or creative talent. It really shows. The directing wasn't nearly as artistic (Remember the burning playground at the opener of T2? That was infinitely more artistic than everything in T3 combined).

She doesn't have to be. Linda Hamilton wasn't exactly stellar babe either.

I agree, it doesn't matter. And yeah, she wasn't either. I'm just attacking everything about the movie.

Uhhh.. No, they don't. They're looking for Claire Danes' character, who works for that clinic, because the T-800 is sent back to protect Claire Danes and John Connor while the T-X is sent back to kill all of John's lieutinants. That part was spelled out in the movie.

Hahahaha, that's funny, because they specifically state they're at the animal clinic at 5 in the morning on an emergency call, well before it opens. Wouldn't you think the terminators would go to her house first and see if she's at her home at 5 AM? I think they would. And I think this movie has more holes than swiss cheese.

Oh wait! Maybe it's well documented history that she went to the animal clinic at 5 AM in the morning! Nope.

Kind of like someone who couldn't figure out why they'd make female terminators?

Oh, believe me, I know why they made a female terminator. Which is why I think it's stupid. Yes, they wanted a woman for infiltration, blah blah blah. Doesn't convince me it was a good idea because she never used her sexuality to infiltrate!

I agree, but it wasn't a virus that did that!

Yeah, it wasn't a virus.

ANd BTW - I liked the T3 chase scene more than I liked the one in Matrix 2

I don't really know how you could like the one in T3 any better. It was all the same type of stuff they did in T2. I liked it better in the Matrix because it had guns, kung fu, motorcycles, lots of cops (not stupid remote control cars) and it was longer and better directed. And it has better special effects.

[Max-Violence]

Without reading the entire topic or reading any of the backstory for the movie or anything, I have but one question: If, at the end of T2, Arnie gets lowered into a giant pool of molten lava or whatever it was, how, exactly, is he "back" in T3?

[Doyle]

There's an assembly line producing Terminators with that body style, Max. Although that would defeat the purpose of having skinned terminators to begin with, unless they were all intended to be sent back to different periods in time.

[S4ur0n27]

Dingo is right, yet again, on everything. But it is still a good and entertaining movie, if you compare it to the usual shit that comes out of Hollywood, like 2 fast 2 furiuous, or alex & emma and the usual romantic comedy. BUT, T2 really was better, that's for sure. If T3 had come out without T1 and T2 existing, it would have been great. Basically, I think it's a blend of the first 2 movies aimed at the young 12-16 kids that never seen T1 and T2, but still, it does the job.

PS : Claire Danes is hot even tho she's not maked up like the usual mannequin. And she looks like a policewoman I met a couple of times in the park after hours

PS2 : Robert Patrick totally owned T-X in running after Connor's car. That scene with his blades he stuck in the back of the car was unforgetable.

[Max-Violence]

There's an assembly line producing Terminators with that body style, Max. Although that would defeat the purpose of having skinned terminators to begin with, unless they were all intended to be sent back to different periods in time.

...but, but, but weren't all the Terminator mircochips destroyed in T2? I.e. the one CyberDyne had in thier lab, the T-1000, and Arnie? So, like, how'd they gone done it? If all the chips are gone, how'd "they" (whoever makes the bots in T3) build 'em? Did they start from scratch or somethin'?

[trythebill]

to kill the whole thing, why couldn't skynet send a terminator back and kill Sarah Connor's mother and father?

[axltrauts]

hahahahahahaha!!!!

uhm... maybe they don't have the info about them.

and if they do, well, then there were no terminator sequels at all, and what a bad ending! but, again, the good guys would send a Terminator to stop it, and repeat it untill kingdom come...

[trythebill]

hell that'll probably happen anyway:

Terminator 19: T-3.14 in the Garden on Eden

[axelgreese]

Oh wait! Maybe it's well documented history that she went to the animal clinic at 5 AM in the morning! Nope.

Yeah I dont' think I would remember what I was doing the morning of the apoclypse either. :roll:

...but, but, but weren't all the Terminator mircochips destroyed in T2? I.e. the one CyberDyne had in thier lab, the T-1000, and Arnie? So, like, how'd they gone done it? If all the chips are gone, how'd "they" (whoever makes the bots in T3) build 'em? Did they start from scratch or somethin'?

I could tell you the answer, but perhaps you should just watch the movie instead?

[bloodbathmaster2]

There's an assembly line producing Terminators with that body style, Max. Although that would defeat the purpose of having skinned terminators to begin with, unless they were all intended to be sent back to different periods in time.

Well, aside from the fact that humans live in nests in a post apocolyptic future, that few nests could communicate with eachother, and that the T-800s were a very early Terminator, there is simply the fact that he's Arnold.