so, in 00-01 we had a time traveler from the year 2036

StrungOut96 · Post by **StrungOut96** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:05 am

shutters in thought.

bloodbathmaster2 · Post by **bloodbathmaster2** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:20 am

The man is clearly intelligent, but from what I've read so far, it is obvious he is not from the future for a few reasons.

1) His style of speech and areas of knowledge do not befit a highly trained military personell. He holds no clear lines regarding leaking information. What lines he draws appear because of personal, moral delemas rather than rules set by his superior officers.

2) His refrences are localized too much on what our generation is taught and remembers. He refrences World War II, but never WWI. He believes in Darwinism. He makes refrences to Waco. His focus is always on the United States.

3) He makes no refrence whatsoever to a catalyst for the Civil War (the terrorist bombings of the World Trade Centers).

4) There is no clear reason why he has come to the past. Any knowedge the new military could not acess then, a single uninfluential man could not access now.

Evil Natured Robot · Post by **Evil Natured Robot** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:53 am

It's important to note that he did say that he was on a different "worldline" than we were (think of Sliders, or Back to the Future 2). His presence doesn't change This hoax is a good one because he more or less covers his ass on the obvious questions.

A neat take on the future, too. This one's a class act.

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:56 am

Neon Dingo wrote:Even if this time travel stuff is more than likely a hoax, this raises some really cool discussion points about society.

http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi-bi ... 9&t=000024

Read this, the original BBS posts he made in his brief stint online in 2001.

so this was in 2001? Is he some hobo on the street now, trying to ride his 15 minutes out?

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:17 am

bloodbathmaster2 wrote:1) His style of speech and areas of knowledge do not befit a highly trained military personell. He holds no clear lines regarding leaking information. What lines he draws appear because of personal, moral delemas rather than rules set by his superior officers.

That's a pretty good point. I guess one possible explanation is that the Civil War was not between two organized forces, I don't personally believe any force of our citizens could win a standing battle against the modern military, but rather more of a guerilla war. By 2036, there would be a lot of organization showing up, but recall that he talked about society being more locally focused. In all, there's less emphasis on entities like the military, and more emphasis on personal aspects of life: Family oriented life, gathering friends you can trust with your life, and a great deal of "personal" religion.

2) His refrences are localized too much on what our generation is taught and remembers. He refrences World War II, but never WWI. He believes in Darwinism. He makes refrences to Waco. His focus is always on the United States.

Remember, he was supposedly born in 1998. If you examine the life he claims to have led, the largest influence on his morals and beliefs would have been parents who belonged to a generation that espoused those very values.

3) He makes no refrence whatsoever to a catalyst for the Civil War (the terrorist bombings of the World Trade Centers).

That's a very good point. He did have a tendency to be very, very specific in certain areas and general in others, which is very common among 'psychics' and the like. It's quite easy to fill in the details yourself, ie the Patriot Act as someone mentioned or Silveira vs Lockyer.

4) There is no clear reason why he has come to the past. Any knowedge the new military could not acess then, a single uninfluential man could not access now.

Actually, I thought the Unix explanation was fairly clever, and the IBM 5100 machine could be rare enough to warrant coming to the past. The real issue is whether the computer has the abilities he describes. Since it's supposed to be a closely guarded secret, I really doubt it's the case. After all, how would this information be learned in 2036 when it hadn't been learned before?

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:46 pm

This guy sells all sorts of useful time-travel paraphanalia at reasonable prices on his website:

http://www.davesplanet.net/store/

Raymondo · Post by **Raymondo** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:01 pm

Well we'll know if its real or not when it hits the year 2006, if no civil war has started in America by then, then it must be bullshit. If he is a Time Traveler then the first thing he would have been told was not to mess with time because it could fuck things up, unless its something like T3 where the future some how helps the war happen or something like that, Time Travels hard to explain

Slave_Master · Post by **Slave_Master** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:04 pm

FJ, as Titor mentioned, it was all about worldlines, like in Back to the Future 2 and such. Covers his ass pretty well, don't you think?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:00 pm

Nobody asked him key overlooked questions. Like "If and when Fallout 3 and Mad Max 4?" came out. "Where they any good?" would be the next logical question.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:10 pm

He kept comparing stuff like ww2 and how we didn't know about it, but that was 70 years ago. It wouldn't be to hard to remember events that happened 30 years ago mabye? Even memorable stuff like mentioning 9/11 or sadaam hussein mebbe? If something played such an important part in my life I'd try and learn a little more about it.

Raymondo · Post by **Raymondo** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:26 pm

Johntitor.com wrote:!!! DID JOHN WARN US ABOUT AN ASTEROID IMPACT? !!!

Is it possible that John Titor warned us of an impending asteroid strike before 2014?

From the CNN article:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/09/0 ... index.html

"Asteroid '2003 QQ47' will be closely monitored over the next two months. Its potential strike date is March 21, 2014, but astronomers say that any risk of impact is likely to decrease as further data is gathered."

On February 26, 2001 - John Titor was asked about the date of his departure:
"I'm guessing the date of your return to the future is April 19th."

JOHN: That is a day to remember but I was thinking more along the lines of March 21.

Was this John's way of warning us? Did he give the date of an asteroid impact in 2014 that would precede a civil war in 2015?

Was he warning us or something?

He also said something about staying away from Washington DC but I cant find the date anymore.

Destroyer Of Lols · Post by **Destroyer Of Lols** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:42 am

Ah yes... I've read almost all of this website...

3) He makes no refrence whatsoever to a catalyst for the Civil War (the terrorist bombings of the World Trade Centers).

This was 2000 at the time of the posts and he said in a fax to Art Bell(Radio show host...), that he saw two buildings in New York that didn't exist...

Maybe he was hinting at something?

I choose to take the "time will tell" route on this matter. If this world he talks about really becomes reality, the world will be a much better place indeed...

I basically believe that the breakdown of American society as we know it WILL happen, take the Roman empire for example: Spreading their borders, their culture, their government, their language, and POOF. Gone.

A civil war so soon would not surprise me though... PATRIOT II is so close to being passed, it's insane... Have any of you actually read the predecessor to it, PATRIOT I?

"Just shows you they can FUCK with you anytime they want!"-George Carlin

No shit.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:03 am

I don't know, I mean this civil war is less that 2 years away. The kind of thing that is happening now with protests and whatnot has been happening for years. And do you know how many buildings there are in New York, there are tons. And in 33 years a number of things can happen to buildings. And doesn;t thid guy live in Florida? I don't think he would be making many trips to New York. And if there is a World War I doubt they are going to be teaching Geography or World History, especially since the bombs fell in the MAJOR cities. Come to think of it a lot of buildings would be gone in Ney York, I mean it IS a MAJOR city after all...

Destroyer Of Lols · Post by **Destroyer Of Lols** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:45 am

Well good job! You're a skeptic! So am I!

I did not say that he was right, now did I? I said I will wait.

Also, there is no one named John Titor in Florida, multiple people have tried to track him down. Which is the very reason he wouldn't give out his name. Also, I bet he's lying about living in Florida too...

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:01 am

Destroyer Of Lols wrote:Well good job! You're a skeptic! So am I!

I did not say that he was right, now did I? I said I will wait.

Also, there is no one named John Titor in Florida, multiple people have tried to track him down. Which is the very reason he wouldn't give out his name. Also, I bet he's lying about living in Florida too...

Didn't he have a relative working for IBM in '75? That's the reason he was sent back in time the 1st place right? Why don't they check out ANY Titor from IBM in 75. Not like they had hundred's of employes back then, even if that mattered.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:43 am

Well like the "Destroyer of Lols" said his name may not even be John Titor, at least I think that is what he is saying. Also I wasn't referring to YOU in person, you're so self-absorbed, I was talking about John Titor's little fraud.

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 7:04 am

InvisibleMonkey wrote:
Silver wrote:Why don't they check out ANY Titor from IBM in 75. Not like they had hundred's of employes back then, even if that mattered.
Well like the "Destroyer of Lols" said his name may not even be John Titor...

Not to mention that even if this person were a blood relative it wouldn't mean that they had the same last name.

OTB

Destroyer Of Lols · Post by **Destroyer Of Lols** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 7:15 am

Silver wrote: Didn't he have a relative working for IBM in '75? That's the reason he was sent back in time the 1st place right? Why don't they check out ANY Titor from IBM in 75. Not like they had hundred's of employes back then, even if that mattered.

They've tried that too. The people investigating are at the UFO and Anomalies.net boards.

One of them got a letter back from the technicians that worked on the machine. Though I can't seem to find it at the moment... It's at one of the websites listed at the main John Titor website.

This is the machine: http://online.sfsu.edu/%7Ehl/c.IBM.5100.html

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:57 am

InvisibleMonkey wrote:Also I wasn't referring to YOU in person, you're so self-absorbed, I was talking about John Titor's little fraud.

Nag nag nag, and I was talking to you in person? Go be invisible for a while, thanks.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:42 pm

Sorry I wasn't talking about you Silver I was talking about "Destroyer of Lols"