Satanisgreat Presents: Movies from Hell

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:04 pm

Yea, I personally would like to believe he didn't die either because the whole circumstances around it was kinda iffy. For the most part because bullets ussually have enough power to atleat crack/pierce the skull which would have either A:>Killed him instantly or B:> Allowed the forementioned swelling enough space so his brain doesn't compact itself.

Could it be that Mr. White was just too lazy to carry a passed out Mr. Brown?

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:04 pm

perhaps he's just a bad actor/director with a funny shaped head? His movies are a bit over-rated mebbe

Bridgeburner · Post by **Bridgeburner** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:24 pm

Megatron wrote:perhaps he's just a bad actor/director with a funny shaped head? His movies are a bit over-rated mebbe

word. he's just a takashi miike imitator. i'm looking forward to kill bill though, uma thurman (=hot) + katana = teh win

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:31 pm

It would make more sense if he died; after all, everybody else died, except for Mr. Pink. Makes for the nice ending.

Pyro > I don't think he's over rated, he is the master of being cool as well as blood fests (Resevoir Dogs), and his movies have tons of amusing pop culture references and funny dialogue. Kinda like Fallout eh?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:38 pm

True, although we have no idea what happened to Mr. Blue really. No one seems to know. Poor Eddie Bunker, he had only like 5 lines throughout the whole movie.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:40 pm

Wasn't Mr. Blue shot in the initial fight at the diamond wholesalers? I need to watch that movie again, but I believe there's a reference to his death somewhere.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:43 pm

Joe says that Mr. Blue is dead, BUT when Mr. White asks him how he knows, Joe just kinda waves it off. I think he said something to the effect "Because he isn't here." Meaning that he'de rather die then get caught and wouldn't try to escape on his own.

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:23 pm

atoga wrote:It would make more sense if he died; after all, everybody else died, except for Mr. Pink. Makes for the nice ending.

Actually, they all die. If you listen you can hear Mr. Pink running the gauntlet of cops that have the warehouse surrounded. It sounds like he was veritably riddled, too. So that's the fitting end, everyone dies.

atoga wrote:...I don't think he's over rated, he is the master of being cool as well as blood fests (Resevoir Dogs), and his movies have tons of amusing pop culture references and funny dialogue. Kinda like Fallout eh?

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You go and watch Four Rooms, then tell me that w/a straight face. I think Tarantino is over-rated, or at least at the height of his success he was. Nothing he did was a giant leap forward for cinema, but some of his work is interesting to watch, even if it is purely derivative.

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atoga · Post by **atoga** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:34 pm

OTB: I know that, but there's still no proof Mr. Pink dies. And I always liked Steve Buscimi (sp?) so I like to think he lives. The police surrounding the place would make just as much sense if it was relevant for the end of the conflict between Tim Roth and the rest, while he admits he's an undercover cop and all that.

And yeah, I know, Four Rooms is shit. But most directors have done just as bad things, so I hardly think that is representative of anything. And why would you say Tarantino is derivative? Sure, he has his influences, but he does have a great ability with dialogue and skillfully puts all the elements of his films together.

T-900 · Post by **T-900** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:43 pm

I payed special attention to the last scene of reservoir dogs to make sure i heard no gunshots. None...

O_o

Tarantino (Mr Brown) dies... He looks barely coherent and dazed in the car, and after Mr.White does his lovely akimbo cop killing scene he's passed out/dead at the wheel... Let's assume he dies for the sake of consistancy... Yes...

Coster did no worse than Gibson in Mad max 2. Quiet wandering heroes with big custom vehicle rigs. They are anti-heroes. Neither are exactly nice people, but it doesn't mean they can't do cool stuff (I'll admit i cringe every time i see the bungee scene). But then the hairy boomerang kid was rather cringable aswell.

And Steve Buscemi is goood... Anyone 'seen' his part in FF:The spirits within? (Voice acting..)

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:27 am

hairy boomerang kid? final fantasy movie? tarantino fan? I rest my case. KILLA KILLA HAS SPOKEN DA FIDDY ALBUM - LIVE!

Tarantino films just seem your average movies. Has some nice dialouge and stuff, but there's better movies for dialouge, action and other stuff? Like Taxi Driver>Resevoir dogs or something, why doesn't everyone rave about better movies. Just seems to be something that people latched onto? I find it funny how every CRIME-CRASY-CAPER made is a combination of resevoir dogs and something else though, crasy.

VERY KUBRICK, VERY NUTSO. I'm not too bothered about kill bill, just seems an attempt to jump on the trenchcoated kung-fu bandwagon or something. And even if it isn't, it doesn't look that intresting, I'd rather watch a steven segal movie thnx.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:02 am

Megatron wrote:Just seems to be something that people latched onto? I find it funny how every CRIME-CRASY-CAPER made is a combination of resevoir dogs and something else though, crasy.

Whats funny about that is that Resevoir Dogs borrowed very heavily from Ringo Lam's "City On Fire", starring Chow-Yun Fat. Ofcourse this isn't a new observation ((I've seen it atleast 10 times before)), but there are so many people who don't realize that Resevoir Dogs isn't exactly original.

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:15 am

OnTheBounce wrote:Actually, they all die. If you listen you can hear Mr. Pink running the gauntlet of cops that have the warehouse surrounded. It sounds like he was veritably riddled, too. So that's the fitting end, everyone dies.

I just watched it again recently (it's one of my favorites) and i don't remember that at all. Is this after the cops shoot Mr. White up? While the credits are playing or something?

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:28 am

atoga wrote:OTB: I know that, but there's still no proof Mr. Pink dies.

This is certainly a hot topic. Here's a link to an alternate theory that Mr. Pink is simply wounded, but survives.

For those of you saying that there's no sound of Mr. Pink, listen right after he leaves the warehouse, and while Mr. White and Mr. Orange are having their conversation.

atoga wrote:And yeah, I know, Four Rooms is shit. But most directors have done just as bad things, so I hardly think that is representative of anything. And why would you say Tarantino is derivative? Sure, he has his influences, but he does have a great ability with dialogue and skillfully puts all the elements of his films together.

Don't get me wrong, atoga, I'm not a Tarantino hater, I just think he's over-rated considering how blatant that his "borrowing" is. The problem is that most people have not seen the films from the French New Wave, or the Blaxploitation films that he's not just mimicking, but outright ripping off in some places. Here's a link to an article showing the similarities between Pulp Fiction and Shoot the Piano Player. Unfortunately for QT it covers pretty much all of the things that are seen as his trademarks, such as counter-to-genre dialogue.

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satanisgreat · Post by **satanisgreat** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:41 am

OnTheBounce wrote:The problem is that most people have not seen the films from the French New Wave, or the Blaxploitation films that he's not just mimicking, but outright ripping off in some places.

I wouldn't say he's ripping them off. More like he's paying homage to them. He has a style that's all his own, though. Kill Bill may be a homage to samurai movies, but I bet when you watch it you'll be able to tell Tarantino directed it, if at the very least by the trunk shot.

edit- oh yeah, and Mr. Pink died.

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:42 am

OnTheBounce wrote:For those of you saying that there's no sound of Mr. Pink, listen right after he leaves the warehouse, and while Mr. White and Mr. Orange are having their conversation.

Well that's an interesting way of looking at it... I always just thought the sounds of the police coincided with Mr. White's actions....

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:54 am

satanisgreat wrote:I wouldn't say he's ripping them off. More like he's paying homage to them.

Let me let you in on a little secret: "Paying homage to" is a euphemism for "ripping off", much the same way the government never "steals" from you, it simply "appropriates".

axlgreese wrote:Well that's an interesting way of looking at it... I always just thought the sounds of the police coincided with Mr. White's actions...

Before the police storm into the warehouse and yell at the pair from just off-camera you can hear some fainter sounds outside. That's what I'm talking about.

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satanisgreat · Post by **satanisgreat** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:15 am

If it wasn't for Tarantino, there wouldn't be such attention payed to low budget movies. When Pulp Fiction came out, the movie industry was all about big budget blockbuster crap. I mean, it still is today, but you get a better variety of low budget movies to choose from as well that get fairly good publicity and exposure. I remember if films like Resivoir Dogs or Trainspotting or some other cult movie was out, in my area you'd have to go to either New York or Boston if you wanted to see them in the theater. Most directors before him did one or two little films, then either moved on to big projects or you never heard from them again. Quentin made it OK and cool to stay pulp and B grade. Look at movies like 28 Days Later, Cabin Fever, the M. Night Shamaylan movies, etc. You can argue with me, but I personally doubt they would have gotten the attention they did without the path Tarantino made.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:05 am

I have to give Tarantino atleast this. He went from being a video store clerk to being one of the best known directors in the bussiness ((Doesn't mean his movies are like Speilburg or anything, just that he's well known.))

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:38 am

OnTheBounce wrote:You go and watch Four Rooms, then tell me that w/a straight face.

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Wasn't Four Rooms a film about... umm yeah Four Rooms and each one was directed by a different .. umm.. yeah Director?

WoflmanWalt wrote:I have to give Tarantino atleast this. He went from being a video store clerk to being one of the best known directors in the bussiness ((Doesn't mean his movies are like Speilburg or anything, just that he's well known.))

James Cameron used to drive school buses or something like that, iirc.