Religious Opinions (Again)

Soldier87 · Post by **Soldier87** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:05 pm

ExtremeDrinker wrote:I don't throw my views on other people...I'm just ranting here. There has never been a time in my life that I've tried to convert people....Christians have a MISSION to convert people. It's fucking insane. As for blanket statements...Christians are full of them, too...I've been told I'm going to hell because I don't believe in God...I'm going to hell because I have sex...I'm going to hell because I masturbate...Those are blanket statements...Do you know anyone who doesn't masturbate? If they say they don't, they're damn dirty liars with an unhealthy view of their bodies. (Other than young children...But after puberty...It's self-love time).

The reason I got worked up about this today is not only because of the post in another group, but also, some Christian dicks came to my door at 7AM...."Have you found Jesus?" I didn't even bother..I told them to leave, that I had better things to do than listen to them...They told me I was going to go to Hell if I didn't have Jesus in my life..I told them to fuck off before I got my gun. They started cussing me out...So I got the gun....They got the point...They left...And I was pissed off.

Also...SlaveMaster...That'd make you an Agnostic, not an Atheist..Atheists don't believe in any type of religion/gods/spirits/demons/etc. If you think there's something out there, but you don't worship with a given religion, you'd be an Agnostic.

And Agnostics are not hypocritical....What's there to be hypocritical about? There's no rules to being an Agnostic...You believe in a higher power..You don't follow a bible, so there are no sins...You do what you want, you don't worship if you don't want to...You're the average Joe.

Feels good to complain dont it?

BTW-ExtremeDrinker....what college did you study religion at, wasnt in the USA i presume. If you even say Jesus these days in our country, theres like a hundred lawyers and judges on your ass!

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:36 pm

Soldier87 wrote:Feels good to complain dont it?

Did this add something profound to the conversation that I missed?

Soldier87 wrote:If you even say Jesus these days in our country, theres like a hundred lawyers and judges on your ass!

Are you dumb? Oh I get it that was sarcasm.

EDIT: You know Bush publicly says he believes he was placed on this Earth by God to become president. He also believes that God wanted him to conduct the war in Afghanistan... I don't think it's any stretch of the imagination to assume he thinks God wanted him to attack Iraq also.

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:15 pm

Wiccans - There are lots of gods and demons...Good magic, bad magic. I think Wiccans are a pretty good lot. They don't force their beliefs on anyone, and they don't hold protest ralleys at rock concerts. The bad thing about Wicca is all the stupid goth kids that claim to be witches. Fucking morons. So you read a book about it once? And you think you can cast spells on people? Fuck off...Take that broom and shove it up your ass, you little goth gutter shit. If not for these teenagers that give Wicca a bad name in the first place, Wicca would be great. I studied Wicca in depth with a Wicca priestess and a coven...Took about 5 years out of my life...I know the types of spirits...I know some spells...But then I realized that this could just be mind over matter at work here. I will admit that I've never had a spell I've cast go wrong...They've all worked...Seriously. But I can contribute this to good luck..I'm no longer a believer in Wicca...And it's mainly because of the little kids wearing all black that claim it.

Hmm I'd say leaving a way of life because you think there are too many morons practicing it, is pretty weak.
So what if there are a lot of goths that think it's hip to follow?
Are you afraid of being associated with them?

A part of being a witch, as far as I've understood it, is saying let them believe what they think because it wont, and shouldn't affect me.

I've looked into Wicca, and if I'm to join it, it would be to improve my life, feel better, and make people around me feel better, not to make a statement or to "cast spells". The BOS of Wicca (Book Of Shadows) is basically a diary of the improvements you want to gain, or have gained, and good advice for the next generation if you wish to pass it on.

I've decided to worship Hammer, lest He decideth to cometh down from His mountain fortress and smote my ass with His Holy BAR.

Now that one's worth following xD

As for your view on atheists... I dunno man, I mean just about everyone I know, including myself, are atheists and we only do what they believe is right, we don't follow a bible, and we don't always follow the laws of society/ our country.
Taking responsibility for it though, is the hardest thing, but when you learn to do that, then you're a good person imo(Not including harming anyone physically/mentally, or causing destruction or so).
Pretty close to being a witch really...

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:05 pm

I don't mind religeon, if you've devoted your life to it, want to convert me, don't know much about it or don't care I don't mind. Religeon is just another opinion, like politics or gun control. You can't say 'hey that idea sucks because I knew bla bla bla' because if someone isn't educated enough on a subject they decided to take up, why think of the whole idea as stupid?

I don't really have a religeon, I don't limit my life too what 1 book tells me what or what not to do? I just have my own little religeon: me. If anyone wants to join, SEND ME MONEY SO I CAN FLY TO OUR ELDERS IN MY SPACECRAFT! thnx

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:47 pm

I'm a Catholic but hardly a by-the-book one, people can believe whatever the hell they want as far as I'm concerned.

Relegion is about freedom of choice, forcing your relegion on somebody else is something a fucking commie would do. And I hate commies.

Soldier87 · Post by **Soldier87** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 7:48 pm

Hammer wrote:I'm a Catholic but hardly a by-the-book one, people can believe whatever the hell they want as far as I'm concerned.

Relegion is about freedom of choice, forcing your relegion on somebody else is something a fucking commie would do. And I hate commies.

Amen to that! LOL! Sorry had to say that.

BTW-Franz what the hell are you talking about? When did Bush say that stuff about God and Afghanistan or ruling America?

iohkus · Post by **iohkus** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 7:57 pm

each religion is subjective.

and btw hamma, there's no place for religion in the soviet style communist society, they don't try to change your religion, just make you lose it

ExtremeDrinker · Post by **ExtremeDrinker** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:42 pm

I didn't entirely drop the Wicca lifestyle...I just don't let it be public knowledge...I prefer to just let people think I'm an Agnostic. If someone I've known for years and years needs my "assistance" with something, I'm always around to give a hand/word. I'm still pretty sure it's mind over matter...Then again I've seen some really fucked up things during meditation...

Did I mention I'm also schizophrenic? I'm supposed to take Zyprexa...But after a few weeks, I got really bored and stopped taking them.
My girlfriend gets a little bothered when I start talking to people that she can't see, but she ignores it most of the time.

As for the college..It's a private college..They can basically force us to take whatever they want. But it's near my parents home, so I don't have to pay for an appartment anymore.

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:48 pm

...I didn't know witches meditated...

Regardles Wicca seems more and more interesting, because you can form your own specialized religion within... Rituals and so can be performed the way you wish to.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:12 pm

Nihilism, Atheism?, Christianity, they are all just titles to give to people for what they believe in. Why do you even have to have a title? I don't believe in God, but I don't consider myself a Nihilist. I am not anything. If you think about it if you are an Atheist, or even a Nihilist, than doesn't that kind of make you religious in a sense? I mean you believe that there is no God, or you believe in nothing, than you still have faith in what you believe. So in my opinion people who say they are Atheist really aren't and so on and so forth.

Alphawulf · Post by **Alphawulf** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:13 pm

Nihilism doesn't like society. So if you get 3 nihilists, Bob a cripple with an extensive knowledge of wildlife and wilderness topics, including survival. Then you have Tom who's really athletic and enduring but an idiot. And Jerry who is smart and fairly physically fit.

Now place them on survivor island. The logical thing would be for Bob, with his extensive knowledge of wilderness, to be the leader and tell the other two what should be done to ensure their continuing survival. Tom would be able to do the hard work with Jerry, and Jerry would also be able to discuss further issues with Bob.

But since they're nihilists, and the afore mentioned situation is basically society on a much smaller scale, they'd all go out alone like solitary animals and die. Which is a good thing since nihilists suck.

Some nihilists seem to want to live the apocalypse for real. This would also be made possible only by society. Without society and government such large accomplishments in science like the atomic bomb, and also accomplishments in all other areas, that make an apocalypse possible would never exist.

But the "real description" of nihilism is also meaningless. You shouldn't destroy society, that does nothing.

Yeah, if you enjoy a life of artificiality, urban decay, conformity, and "safety," modern society is right up your alley.

Neonedingo never post on this forum again! For this would be enjoying the safety of your room and products brought to you by the current society. Go live like a tribal in the woods and be Nihilist to the ExTReMe!

But yes, it is the denial of love because love doesn't exist. Love is just about sex, most of the stuff added to it by society is emotional baggage that doesn't exist.

Thisdoesn't make sense either. So I assume that all people just truly want to have sex with their families? You see how this statement is wrong?

What has society given us? Everything. What have nihilists given us? A bunch of bull crap related to teen angst.

Relegion is about freedom of choice, forcing your relegion on somebody else is something a fucking commie would do. And I hate commies.

But in the end what Hammer said is actually right.

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:31 pm

But the "real description" of nihilism is also meaningless. You shouldn't destroy society, just modify it.

The whole point of Nihilism is that society is so incredibly bad that destruction is necessary for its own sake. Modifying it would still result in collapse because society is inherently linked to religous and moral roots and is based on faulty logic systems.

Society may not be unlivable at the moment, but I personally believe overpopulation and increasing global tension will drive us back to the stoneage, hence we will start over, hopefully trying to start over without the mistakes of the past.

Also, Nihilism doesn't mean get rid of social connections. It just means get rid of abstract, faulty concepts such as "friendship" and instead work together as a collective for practical purposes.

Humans are social creatures, but that doesn't mean their society has to be based of an aging, faulty 2,000+ old value system that places the weak above the strong.

Let the weak die off. Stupid leeches.

Alphawulf · Post by **Alphawulf** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:36 pm

Oh yeah and the part about how weaker people should be killed or left to die? There are plenty of people who have contributed great things to the world from the safety of society. By this logic you'd probably be dead, and only idiots would live in a very sorry world.

Nihilism was made possible by society. Without society "Nihilists" would have been killed for their crazy non godly beliefs before they could post on the internet. Without society there would be no education to even allow people to think up the concept of nihilism. As for nihilists themselves, they just didn't have a good childhood or something like that and are angry at everyone because they see themselves as smarter than their peers. Nihilists belong in a mental institutuion, in fact nihilism is an attribute of several mental disorders where people believe that nothing or themselves really exists.

What it all comes down to is the universe is here, why how who what when any possible questions about how the universe came to be is still unknown.

Nuclear Gandhi · Post by **Nuclear Gandhi** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:42 pm

Alphawulf wrote:Oh yeah and the part about how weaker people should be killed or left to die? There are plenty of people who have contributed great things to the world from the safety of society. By this logic you'd probably be dead, and only idiots would live in a very sorry world.

Nihilism was made possible by society. Without society "Nihilists" would have been killed for their crazy non godly beliefs before they could post on the internet.

The weak should not be protected. This does not mean we go killing people left and right. But if you can't defend yourself properly, you die.

NIHILISM DOES NOT MEAN THE DESTRUCTION OF SOCIETY AS A WHOLE, IT MEANS THE CREATION OF A NEW ONE OUT OF THE ASHES OF THE OLD ONE. Basically, it's just starting out on a clean slate.

Do not think that Nihilists believe society is bad. Nihilists actually promote society but in a different form than it is in now.

I've stated this before, and you my friend, are a dumbass.

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:50 pm

Oh yeah and the part about how weaker people should be killed or left to die? There are plenty of people who have contributed great things to the world from the safety of society. By this logic you'd probably be dead, and only idiots would live in a very sorry world.

Why would I be dead? I've studied many books about survival and I've done it a few times. I think that greatly increases my chances as opposed to the average proletariat soccer mom, doesn't it?

Stupid people that are not fit for survival in nature would be too busy crying about not having a supermarket to buy a package of bologna to worry about hunting and they'd become worm food.

Nihilism was made possible by society. Without society "Nihilists" would have been killed for their crazy non godly beliefs before they could post on the internet. Without society there would be no education to even allow people to think up the concept of nihilism.

Nihilism is a byproduct of a faulty society.

As for nihilists themselves, they just didn't have a good childhood or something like that and are angry at everyone because they see themselves as smarter than their peers. Nihilists belong in a mental institutuion, in fact nihilism is an attribute of several mental disorders where people believe that nothing or themselves really exists.

Actually, you're completely wrong. The first Nihilists were upper-class Russian college students who felt empty pursuing a life of materialism.

Also, anyone who believes in something that has no proof belongs in a mental institution. I think you've got it all backwards.

Oh, and the last part you're touching on existential Nihilism, which is not what we're talking about.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:52 pm

Ooh, an online religious debate. You people are so cutting-edge, not to mention insightful! Pioneers of the new age!

What I'm saying is, stop arguing about this crap unless you have something actually interesting to say. Stop quoting things you've overheard in one place or another. Man, this makes for a boring read.

Alphawulf · Post by **Alphawulf** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:57 pm

Wait you never answered my question about love or anything. Let's say your brother NuclearGhandi is getting beaten to death by the nihilist patrol (since nihilists also don't believe in violence let's say it's really a christian patrol) because he's too weak, as a nihilist you would be obliged to say "Sorry man I don't love you because love doesn't exist, and you are to weak to defend yourself so good-bye" and about survival stuff, that has nothing to do with how strong you are, I bet pleny of stupid poeple could kill your ass in a straight out fight. What if you were the weak? As a nihilist and would die without help would you say "Pip pip. I'm gonna die now, I'm too weak to stay alive, don't help me, just let me die It's my duty as a nihilist to die."

And nuclear ghandi my friend, are a Perpetual SDF! Oh yeah that "And you my friend are a ----" is a statement that's fairly well known and used, how did it come to be? Society helped create language and writing, and someone said that.

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:02 pm

Wait you never answered my question about love or anything. Let's say your brother NuclearGhandi is getting beaten to death by the nihilist patrol because he's too weak, as a nihilist you would be obliged to say "Sorry man I don't love you because love doesn't exist, and you are to weak to defend yourself so good-bye" and about survival stuff, that has nothing to do with how strong you are, I bet pleny of stupid poeple could kill your ass in a straight out fight. What if you were the weak? As a nihilist and would die without help would you say "Pip pip. I'm gonna die now, I'm too weak to stay alive, don't help me, just let me die It's my duty as a nihilist to die."

Whaaaa? We're genetically related, of course I'm going to defend him. It's definitely in my own personal interests.

Also, WTF is this "nihilist patrol" you refer to? Did you just pull this out of your ass without checking to see that it's covered in shit? Because I think you did.

"I bet pleny of stupid poeple could kill your ass in a straight out fight."

Sure, I'm not denying that. That's why we have guns. Guns are an equalizer. Hell, someone could kill me right now. Are you seriously thinking that I am saying I'm the survival king of all humans?

No, I just simply stated that I have a better chance than most, especially with proficient firearm skills.

Also, what is this "Nihilist duty and obligation" you keep refering to? There are no obligations.

Alphawulf · Post by **Alphawulf** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:07 pm

How is it in your own personal interests? Let's say these Christians offer you unwavering loyalty and obediance in exchange for your brothers life? Then it would be in your interest (unless you actually love him or something). Oh yeah and you're contradicting yourself again, it seems Nihilists have no duties or obligation, seeing to one's personal interest would of course be one's obligation unless he is an idiot. SO nihilist is nothing? Then why the fuck does it have a name and a description and believers? If it truly is nothing the ultimate nihilist would be dead, and not seeing to his personal interest.

Nihilist patrol is just a hypothetical thing, nothing like this exists since they'd get their ass kicked by a buch of Crips WoRd UP YO!

The reason he would try to save me would to help his genes survive. If I die, the chances of our genes spreading is cut by half. "Friendship/Love" would be something best characterized as someone who benefits you in a certain way, and you want them to survive so you can continue to be benefitted by them.

What if you were sterile? Then he would truly have no use for you.

The first Nihilists were upper-class Russian college students who felt empty pursuing a life of materialism.

Hey Hammer we got a commie here!

(before you try and correct me I know that just because they're russian college students doesn't mean they're communist)

Nuclear Gandhi · Post by **Nuclear Gandhi** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:11 pm

Nihilism is something out of nothing. We realize that life is worthless, yet we give it a value like it is worth something.

The reason he would try to save me would to help his genes survive. If I die, the chances of our genes spreading is cut by half. "Friendship/Love" would be something best characterized as someone who benefits you in a certain way, and you want them to survive so you can continue to be benefitted by them.

Of course, if I died, I would be dead. That would be that, nothing more.