Signs of a future Superpower

Soldier87 · Post by **Soldier87** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:51 am

There is much to stop China from taking over the world, for one, thousands upon thousands of nukes, for two, the U.N., and for three, our superior might. Now dont get me wrong, China has an incredible culture and people, cuz i dont know how i would put up with a communist regime and yet they can. But right now, even if China becomes a super power, they have to realize that we have overcome another communist superpower bent on worldwide expansion already. And we have been a superpower longer than they have, so we have all the advantages. But the moon part was a joke the laser and all. But its not a far possiblity to colonize moon, ill give it two decades, three at most.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:57 am

China has ninjas....

Soldier87 · Post by **Soldier87** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:04 am

Lol. I wonder what China will call thier ship to the moon. We had Apollo 1,2,3, so on.... What should China call thiers?

ExtremeDrinker · Post by **ExtremeDrinker** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:07 am

Jade Stalk 1,2,3......

Soldier87 · Post by **Soldier87** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:09 am

How about Kung Pow? Lol

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:12 am

That mvoie sucked so much ass.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 7:03 am

Long post ahoy

invisible monkey wrote: Noboady can really own the monn, it is just stupid to think than anyone can.

I'm not so sure about the moon, but you can already buy land on Mars. Though I think it's all bought out...I have no idea about the exacts or anything. Still, since you can buy out Mars, I see no reason why you couldn't buy the moon. As to why? ((Note, I disagree with this one)) One discussed reason would be to put a giant advertisement that would be displayed in every hemisphere during the night.

invisble monkey wrote:It will end up there anyway. What do YOU think will happen if China gets to the moon, which is not a big deal.

First, this topic will only end up in the wasteland if it becomes some sort of flame fest. I personally enjoy having a reasonable discussion on this topic.

Second. It is a big deal, they'll be the third country to have someone land on the moon, meaning that another space race ((To mars perhaps)) could be on the way. Or it could also mean that we may be working together in a cooperative effort to get on the moon. The more the merrier.

extreme drinker wrote: I really dislike Fox news...I'm keen on MSNBC and CNN myself

Fox is more republican biased. CNN is more democrat. I don't know about MSNBC, but I'm guessing their also democrat. I suppose it just depends on what political affilitiation you're with. Supposibly if you want just straight up news, the "Weekly Christian Science Moniter" is the way to go. I have yet to see it, so I can't really say.

soldier87 wrote: Well the key to gain the title superpower these days is three main things, amongst smaller, but not entirely necessary qualities in a sense.

1) Nukes

2) A strong economy

3) Being a major player in Space. Its the future after all.

Egh well space isn't really as much of a requirement anymore. Thats more like the out dated list. Also, every country who has atleast a remotely stable economy has atleast one nuclear warhead, and even the stable economy isn't always a requirement. Take N. Korea for example.

Really super power is becoming an out-dated term as we come to depend more and more on other countries for support in various tasks.

extreme drinker wrote: I think we should start colonizing the oceans before we head to space...If we can make a dwelling that is air tight, self sufficient, and easy to maintain under the extreme pressures of the ocean, then we should move on to space...It'd be easier after we've developed the basics of a self-contained colony here on Earth..

Plus, I'd like to be able to sing "Under The Sea" without being made fun of.

Actually...what we need to do before heading to colonize the oceans or space is perfect colonization techniques. What good is sending our people out there if they won't survive? We tried this with Biosphere II and it didn't work. The people would have died in about 3 months. Ofcourse that was due to an unforeseen error in the building materials ((They chose concrete which has an effect on the oxygen level within the facility. It's all chemistry.))

As soon as we can prefect just colonizing period, I agree with Drinker in colonizing the ocean floor. Why? Because on Mars we won't have all the sunlight we need. We're also close enough to civilization to be resupplied and such regularly. Ontop of that, but we have added living space on Earth.

Besides, that way I can point to my kids that once upon a time, "Sealab" was laughed at.

invisible monkey wrote: We'd need some type or anti-grav system, or else we will all be weak ass colonists you wil be probed by aliens. Humans are over grown parasites, we leech off of everything until there is nothing left and then we move on. Why would we even want to conquer space? Can't we just be happy with what we have?

For the moon? Well not exactly, people have survived on the Mir Space station for long periods of time and come out relatively healthy. It's called exercise, all astronauts are required to do it so their muscled don't atroph. Since the moon has gravity, they just need larger weights and such to counter the lower gravity.

Not to break your parasite theory, but I'm betting we're staying around Earth for awhile, which means if the "host" dies, then the "Parasite" dies as well. We also can't exactly "move on" as we wish or atleast not as easily as you claim. The goal is to exist in a state of mutualism.

Why do we want to conquer space? Few reasons. A. is simply manifest destiny. Not of America mind you, but of man. To go and explore the unexplored. Think Star Trek if you have to. B. I don't remember the exact calculation....but the amount of humans doubles every 25 years or so at the current rate. Think of it as simply adopting another planet the same size as ours. If that continues, we're just gonna run out of room and resources. C. Why not?

invisible monkey wrote: And it's not the future, it's the present.

Given, but in order to survive, we have to think about the future.

soldier87 wrote: First, humans are overgrown becuase of advances in science and medicine.

I think he ment evolution wise.

invisible monkey wrote: Earth is not supposed to last forever, the resources are supposed to run out.

...And what almighty voice told you that? It'll only last as long as we collectively allow it to last.

nuclear gandhi wrote: Even though I did not read the post above, I have come to a conclusion.

You are a fucking Nazi after all.

Keep in mind, I want this topic to go to the wastes because anything Soldier says is fucking stupid and deserves to go there

Actually, I'de prefer this not go to the wasteland since I rather enjoy the subject and talking about it reasonably. If you want it in the wasteland, just make your own thread there. As for if Soldier says something stupid....so what? Are you like his stalker or something? We already know he's a Nazi, who cares.

Invisible monkey wrote: Human potential should consist of mental and physical dominance, not shooting rockets into space for no reason. What if a doma ruptures and instantly kills millions of people? Space is the deadliest place to colonize, especially the moon, since it acts as a magnet for a lot of the meteors that could collide with earth, so if we colonize the mon we'd have to endure meteors constantly hitting the moon.

The reason is colonization and expanding human potential. Perhaps you missed 1/3rd of the conversation about colonization. If a dome ruptures, they'll be some sad faces...life will go on, and some bigger, better, and more improved domes will be created. I agree with you that the Moon is a poor choice for colonization....atleast until we figure out a method for getting rid of pesky meteors. Which might I add, also hit earth just as much ((since Earth has a larger gravitational field)). Its just that our atmosphere eliminates them before they hit the ground. Moon lacks that, so it might be a problem there.

soldier87 wrote: But colonies will most likely go the way of the revolutions in the 1700's and 1800's in the Americas.

Weren't we keeping off the subject of potential futures and just sticking to science? Besides, human nature is unpredictable, so you can't REALLY say that thats gonna happen.

invisible monkey wrote: If China does take over the US,m or the world. Then what can we do about it, absolutely nothing. Are people going to form rebellions to over throw the governmet and cause even more chaos? We can't just tell people to stay on the planet, if China is gonna go to the moon, they will. And lunar colonization is pretty far away.

It's called the army. You know, every person makes a differance. Seriousily though, China is abit aways from world domination. As for the rebellions thing, if China overthrows, most likely. People like cultural identity and they hate invaders unless its welcomed. Though I agree, colonization of any sort is alteast 10 years away.

soldier87 wrote: But right now, even if China becomes a super power, they have to realize that we have overcome another communist superpower bent on worldwide expansion already.

I wouldn't say we overcame them, as much as we outlasted them until their economy demanded change.

InvisibleMonkey wrote: China has ninjas...

Thats Japan genius, China has kung fu martial artists and Bruce Lee's relatives.

soldier87 wrote: I wonder what China will call thier ship to the moon.

Probably some variation on Shenzhou or something as of relating to the moon. Personally I think it should be called the "Mao pod".

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:30 am

Nazis were socialists, that also makes them left. Nazi is actually an acronym, if you translate what NAZI is into English is comes out as National Socialist Worker's Party.

Now, who the hell else has been to the Moon? I though it was just us, no Limeys, Frogs, Zipperheads, Commies, or Wops have been there, it was just us, so if China went there, that would make two countries, not three. Did I thouroughly offend everyone? I was going to say Jews, but I wasn't sure if one of our guys was Jewish.

Anyone can own the Moon, you just need the guns to back it up, not to mention a few Space Marines.

Fox's "Fair and balanced" is actually pretty sure, they balance the rest of the leftist networks out a little more. CNN is the Communist News Network, some of the wankers there are so far left they need binoculars to see Lenin on their right. MSNBC is an okay place to get your news, don't really have any problems with it. I personally got for the Weekly World News. You know, Bat Boy is a national hero?

The population of the Earth is growing WAAAAAYYYYYY too fast and we need to do something about it. Think of this, from the year 3000 B.C. to the year 1850, the population of the world reached ONE BILLION PEOPLE, w00t for us, but since then we're at SIX BILLION PEOPLE. Holy Jesus, that's a lot of fucking, and we're growing like, and soon, within 200 years we're going to be so overcrowded that we're just going to have to nuke it all. Just say fuckit, lets press the reset button and start over again. That's why we need to expand, or force people to abort their children if they can't take care of them and promote butt sex. We're running out of resources fast too, at the current rate we'll be all out of the shit that makes a light bulb do it's thing, that little filament in there? Gone. No more. That means we'll have nothing but bullshit flouresent lights, I hate those, they make my skin look yellow and blotchy and fuckwit school staff members ask if my parents beat me. Point is, just because you're going to ration everything like a communist wank dosn't mean it's going to last forever, it just means you're going to give just enough to piss us off until it's all gone.

The reason nobody ever invades us is because we've all got guns, it pisses the U.N. off hardcore because we're one of the countries they can't touch because we'd fight them off, even without guns, people like me would hide out and kill little groups of U.N. soldiers with my other revolutionaries and take their shit. Fucking pussies.

See you wanks, communism loses, capitalism wins. Here's my balls, lick away.

The U.N. is a bunch of cock smokers, they don't even matter anymore, they're our bitch, we gave them the land and we pay 25% of their costs, more than any other country, they've got no beef with us because we can toss their ass into the Atlantic and let them swim back home.

We don't have thousands upon thousands of nukes.

Anyways, this is turning into a super fun thread, even with the Nazi name calling.

The Gaijin · Post by **The Gaijin** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:34 am

And I'm pretty sure the Nazis hated socialists. They just had it in their name...or something. I had a public school education, I'm lucky I know WWII happened and black people exist.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 9:22 am

The Chinese will get to the moon and poison the moonites with bad rice.

Soldier87 · Post by **Soldier87** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:05 pm

Wolfman Walt wrote:Long post ahoy

soldier87 wrote: Well the key to gain the title superpower these days is three main things, amongst smaller, but not entirely necessary qualities in a sense.

1) Nukes

2) A strong economy

3) Being a major player in Space. Its the future after all.
Egh well space isn't really as much of a requirement anymore. Thats more like the out dated list. Also, every country who has atleast a remotely stable economy has atleast one nuclear warhead, and even the stable economy isn't always a requirement. Take N. Korea for example.

Really super power is becoming an out-dated term as we come to depend more and more on other countries for support in various tasks.

Well you see here, you do need a STRONG economy, not to have nukes, but to be a major world player or superpower. You dont need the economy qualification if you just want to go around saying you have nukes and want money like a whining child would. (North Korea) They cant expect to get much aid from us if they threaten us.

As for the moon thing, only the U.S.A. has landed on the moon, China will be the third to send a HUMAN to space, other very few nations have been to space, but only with unmanned satelites. China will be second to the moon if they succeed.

ExtremeDrinker · Post by **ExtremeDrinker** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:08 pm

the "Weekly Christian Science Moniter" is the way to go. I have yet to see it, so I can't really say.

I've actually seen this..I couldn't stop, really..It's not that it was good..It was just so....Fucking....fucked...It had the news, alright...Then the reporters talked about the implications this had on believing in Jesus, and why whatever happened was just a mistake and stuff because according to the bible that stuff can't be real..

That show tried to prove fossils are less than 5000 years old...And they had scientists telling them that the youngest fossil is about 1400 years old...The dinosaurs lived while we did...

It was so terrible...Like..Everything about it...I couldn't STOP watching! AHHH!

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:55 pm

This topic has been redacted and certain nonsense has been cast into the pit of destruction.

Do not purposely try to get topics thrown into the Wasteland, or it will be you who is punished. 'Nuff said, as the offending part-y/-ies likely know who he/they is/are.

The Gaijin wrote:And I'm pretty sure the Nazis hated socialists. They just had it in their name...or something. I had a public school education, I'm lucky I know WWII happened and black people exist.

The clashed bitterly w/communists in the early days of the party (read: street brawls) and a lot of communists were on their political hit lists when they came to power.

However, the Nazi's really weren't left or right wing. What they did was to play both sides off against the middle. They protected big business, but also made sure that the working class was insured against unemployment and injury and even went to far as to have a program that subsidized vacations for workers on luxury liners. (It was known as Kraft durch Freude [Strengh through Joy].)

People like to jump on labeling bandwagons, but the truth is a bit more complicated as usual.

OTB

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:51 pm

I thought true communism was near-ultimate democracy? Like with everyone being equal and stuff, doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

I don't think the nazis were left...more like extreme right?

anyway

Why be afraid of China becoming a new super-power? Even if it somehow managed to be it, so what? Doesn't seem to make any difference besides you get more attention. I doubt China will become a super-power anyway.

Your list of things to become a super-power is kind of stupid. You just need a strong economy, strong military and democracy. You don't need magick space elevators or big weapons. The whole idea of being a super-power is dumb anyway.

Overall I think you're being too blindly patriotic. Stopping advances because you're worried about being attacked? Sounds a bit counter-productive or something. And if China somehow did become a super-power I'd be happy to see a different perspective on...everything.

Calal · Post by **Calal** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:32 pm

True Soldier, drop the patriotism for once, you' ve convinced us all that you hold the US high but by dragging along that argument each and every time... well, it bores after a while. The cold war is over, please. Besides it is not being a very objective point of view towards the whole thing.

So.... space colonisation eh?

I believe colonisation of the moon is still far away from us. Japan has been working on underground maglev' s, spaceport design, habitats and such for years now, with almost no result whatsoever. Don' t know for sure about other nations, but feel free to fill me in. But consider the cost of such an enormous operation on fuel, manpower, technology, constructing materials. Not even one nation at this time, nor even within the next 10 decades could afford it. Without mutual coÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶peration and existance it ain' t going to happen. And untill we learn to do that we are bound to stay on this ball of earth.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:38 pm

Soldier, you look afraid of communism, why? Why would glorious american "democracy" be better than communism?

and btw, to whoever wrote it, China wouldn't be the third country to send a man into space. USA did. But so did Canada, France, UK, both USSR and Russia, even Israel sent a man up there.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:40 pm

Colonisation of the moon is a bit of a stupid idea, just a waste of time? Like the moon has no resources, hard to ship supplys too and not really worth the effort. Better to go underground or in/over the sea. The only way I can see us colonising the moon was if we like anchored it and created a stable transportation system, though it seems a bit expensive to ship drilling equipment and stuff just for more space. I think space colonisation would be more of a valid idea, probably by creating a large sphere of cables and warehouses around earth or something. But it's not exactly like we're struggling for room on the land yet.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 7:55 pm

ExtremeDrinker wrote: I've actually seen this..I couldn't stop, really..It's not that it was good..It was just so....Fucking....fucked...It had the news, alright...Then the reporters talked about the implications this had on believing in Jesus, and why whatever happened was just a mistake and stuff because according to the bible that stuff can't be real..

That show tried to prove fossils are less than 5000 years old...And they had scientists telling them that the youngest fossil is about 1400 years old...The dinosaurs lived while we did...

It was so terrible...Like..Everything about it...I couldn't STOP watching! AHHH!

This is why I chose to ignore most everything in my government class. Chances are it was full of crap.

Edit: I didn't feel like making a whole new post ((or posting twice in a row in the same topic))

s4ur0n27 wrote:Soldier, you look afraid of communism, why? Why would glorious american "democracy" be better than communism?

and btw, to whoever wrote it, China wouldn't be the third country to send a man into space. USA did. But so did Canada, France, UK, both USSR and Russia, even Israel sent a man up there.

Because communism only works on paper, which is why the USSR fell. People are greedy, even in a communist society. Those who have power are more likely to succome to that greed hence screwing over those who do not have power IE you and me. Thats why capitalism works so well, because it "capitalizes" on everyones greed. I'm not saying capitalism is a good system mind you, but at the moment, it's the best system we have.

Soldier87 · Post by **Soldier87** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:08 pm

Ok first of all, it seems people always accuse me of something, i never said i was afraid of comunism or China becoming a superpower, hell! bring it on! We need someone to take the blame besides us, as for the third man to space thing, first of all, where did you find this info on all these other nations sending people to space? Or was it a guess? anyways thats what the news said. Thirdly, im not a blind patriot, where do you get this? or are you once again, taking things out of context, and finally, no matter what you think megatron, the moon will most likely be colonized, if not by us then by other nations, or a combination of nations. As well as mars will as well.

And a note, communism is a form of socialism. It is a forced rule of socialism. Perhaps communism wouldnt be so bad in our eyes of the educated, if Stalin hadnt murdered 20 million or more of his people under his communistic regime which promised equal rights to all. China's regime is a bit different though, more civilized, all though its still tryanical. Democracy is perhaps the best form of government around for now, could there be better, yes one which isnt as corrupt and/or so damn liberal. So all governments have thier flaws, i never once said that we were the best gov around, your just puting words into my mouth. so stop please.

Edit: Megatron, for the love of God, stop sending me those disgusting pictures!

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:14 pm

"Of course, the Marxian definition of value is ridiculous. All the work one cares to add will not turn a mud pie into an apple tart; it remains a mud pie, value zero. By corollary, unskillful work can easily subtract value; an untalented cook can turn wholesome dough and fresh green apples, valuable already, into an inedible mess, value zero. Conversely, a great chef can fashion of those same materials a confection of greater value than a commonplace apple tart, with no more effort than an ordinary cook uses to prepare an ordinary sweet."

"These weed illustrations demolish the Marxian theory of value--the fallacy from which the entire magnificent fraud of communism derives--and illustrate the truth of the common-sense definition as measured in terms of use."

"Nevertheless the disheveled old mystic of Das Capital, turgid, tortured, confused, and neurotic, unscientific, illogical, this pompous fraud Karl Marx, nevertheless had a glimmering of a very important truth. If he had possessed an analytical mind, he might have formulated the first adequate definition of value . . . and this planet might been saved endless grief."

Fuck you commies, you're logic is flawed.