Asian Cinema thread

Jack_Deth · Post by **Jack_Deth** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:40 pm

Megatron wrote:Anime is shit. It'd be a lot better if it was live-action and STEVEN SEGAL WAS IN IT!

Amen...

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:23 pm

Battle royale is pretty darn dope :DDDD downloaded a bit and OMKG I ordered it.

Bridgeburner · Post by **Bridgeburner** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 6:41 pm

ichi the killer is surely one of the sickest movies i've ever seen. takashi miike is a brilliant director. a lot less sick but still great are his movies: audition, dead or alive 1, 2 & 3 and fudoh.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:52 pm

I like Most X-Treme Elimination Challenge

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:28 pm

That show is fucking awesome.

SuperH · Post by **SuperH** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:30 pm

Straight up, they had one segment where a guy had both of his legs tied to two different groups of people dressed up like horses who tried to pull him apart. And another where a guy was tied face up to a board that was repeatedly dropped into muddy water. AMAZING. :-!!

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:39 pm

Who ever said American cinema sucks, can suck my dick and eat my shit. Some of the best movies EVAR made are american, and american movies are the ones that influenced pretty much any other countries movies. Sure alot of Hollywood movies suck, but there also some of the best in their too.

Anime sucks, too many american boys thinks it's SUPER and want everything asian. It's generally just a teen thing they grow out of, they just wanted to be DIFFFERENT.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:48 pm

Pooper is completely right yo.

/Atoga Seal of Approval

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:31 pm

Jack_Deth wrote:Brother (cool Yakuza comes to the US movie)

Brother is an excellent flick, but let's not forget it was written and directed by "Beat" Takeshi Kitano, probably one of the most brilliant underrated directors currently around. Seriously, this man's a genius, keep an eye on him, and make sure you see Hana-bi (Fireworks) and Sono otoko, kyobo ni tsuki (Violent Cop)

POOPERSCOOPER wrote:Who ever said American cinema sucks, can suck my dick and eat my shit. Some of the best movies EVAR made are american, and american movies are the ones that influenced pretty much any other countries movies.

America should definitely not be cut short in the cinematic factor, but let's not overrate them either. In the olden days, at the dawn of cinema, even though the first people to envision "the big screen" were Americans, the old truly great film-makers are all non-Americans; Eisenstein, Kurosawa, Fellini...even Murnau. Who was the first person to use special effects in a big way? Yip; Sergei Eisenstein.

Sure, America still had D.W. Griffith and DeMille, but they were overshadowed by the continent that at that time owned cinema; Europe. And the European influence had a major influence on American cinema back then, more so than the other way around.

Things changed with WW II, though. And they'll prolly change again. Meh, what do you do?

As for Asian cinema; apart from Kitano's work, and Kurosawa's, which I've mentioned before, there are a number of films that stand out. Amongst which the definitive John Woo films the Killer and A Better Tomorrow, but also the fantastic under-rated Wong Fei-Hung (Once upon a time in China) trilogy, by Tsui Hark. All beautiful films. Which is the main point. Those flicks are beautiful, even if they have no other values, that's something current American cinema is lacking.

Anime is not good or bad in and of itself, like all cinema. Some of it is pretty good. I like "the central three": Akira, Ninja Scroll and Ghost in the Shell. Some others (like Golden Boy or Fist of the North Star) are weird. I really like Kenshin. Dunno why, I just do.

SuperH · Post by **SuperH** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:35 pm

I wouldn't rate Ninja Scroll or Ghost in the Shell as equal to Akira at all, they're just as lackluster as most anime, as far as I'm concerned. I heard about this one anime though, called Cat Soup, which is supposed to be incredibly surreal. "like hello kitty on acid". If it really is as wierd as it's supposed to be, I definately want to see it, but I bet it'll be just as mainstream as every other inane tv anime.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:56 pm

I don't see whats so bad about mainstream? Sure it's mostly crap but you're just fucking stupid if you don't like something because a lot of people like it.

American cinema is pretty thin, but they have enough money to make it look pretty. But when it's good it's usually very good, or at least until some people don't like it because it's too mainstream? Foreign cinema usually seems kubrick to foreigners but usually it's just over-rated crap that doesn't follow the same patterns as american cinema so some people think it's hot shit.

I don't give a shit about anime. Besides the ridiculous fights that usually involve a few planets and pausing a lot before you hit anything, it seems pretty over-rated and boring? Theres one or two exceptions, like anything, but most of it just seems to combine teenage fantasys with high amounts of lsd. People probably would like it, it's bugs bunny if he had huge tits and killed everyone, basically just pandering too people with short attention spans and little imagination.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:16 am

SuperH wrote:I wouldn't rate Ninja Scroll or Ghost in the Shell as equal to Akira at all

Well, they're completely different types of film.

Akira is pretty hated, though, and for obvious reasons, it's just a big psychedelic ride. "Take the ride...experience the delirium" as the DVD-cover of Fear and Loathing puts it. On the other hand, it's also way overrated by the real hardcore anime fans. It's not *that* good, you know.

However, it could easily be argued that Ghost in the Shell has a lot of depth. I mean...it has. It's a blatant Bladerunner rip, but it still gets the point across pretty well, and more subtly than Akira does.

Ninja Scroll is another matter. Ninja Scroll was definitive and important work anime on another level. Not so much contemplative as setting a marker for zany sword-action. Seriously, though, it's an important work within the genre.

That said, I'm forgetting the league-of-their-own anime films; Spirited Away and Princess Monoke. Those are booyeah!

megatron wrote:I don't see whats so bad about mainstream? Sure it's mostly crap but you're just fucking stupid if you don't like something because a lot of people like it.

Hell yeah. I didn't stop liking Boondock Saints the moment the masses discovered it. That said, though, the world of cinema is huge, and there are a huge number of gems out there that are simply missed by the mainstream because it's just a step too high or underground, and you should make sure not to miss such masterpieces; like the Long Good Friday, arguably the best gangster-movie ever made, and Tsui Hark's Wong Fei-Hung, arguably the best hong-kong kung-fu movie ever, coupled with Crouching Tiger.

Matthiau Kassovitz' absolutely brilliant La Haine is another one. It's such an important work for this generation, if only people would appreciate it, though it got the Cannes award for best direction...I mean, what Fight Club is for boring, stiff cubicle workers who're bored and depressed with their lives, La Haine is for the repressed, chanceless generation of youngsters who're considered worthless before properly judged and the huge amount of immigrants in Europe who're deemed worthless because they're different.

Fear and Loathing too, now that I mentioned it anyway.

Uhm...going with mainstreams is stupid, though. Heh

Bridgeburner · Post by **Bridgeburner** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:32 am

word

there's a lot of shit in anime. you just got to pick out the cool ones. don't condemn them before you see them. some of my favourites are: ghost in the shell, ninja scroll, princess mononoke, roujin z, cowboy bebop, metropolis, grave of the fireflies, vampire hunter d, spriggan.

avenger69ie · Post by **avenger69ie** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:35 am

i've seen metropolis, its not that great, in fact i was bored by it so much i fell asleep, the otehr ones, i havent seen, but i have heard that ghost in teh shell is good

Bridgeburner · Post by **Bridgeburner** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:27 pm

metropolis is like a disney movie gone wrong. the story sucks indeed but the animation is very cool and original. but that's just my opinion ofcourse.

avenger69ie · Post by **avenger69ie** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:29 pm

ahh i agree with ye there, the animation was good, but the story wasnt up to much imo

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:00 pm

Bridgeburner wrote:here's a lot of shit in anime. you just got to pick out the cool ones. don't condemn them before you see them. some of my favourites are: ghost in the shell, ninja scroll, princess mononoke, roujin z, cowboy bebop, metropolis, grave of the fireflies, vampire hunter d, spriggan.

I found Spriggan a bit...well...typical. Just another anime movie.

I still have to see Vampire Hunter D.

Princess Monoke...Didn't see Spirited Away?

Bridgeburner · Post by **Bridgeburner** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:36 pm

yeah i did. pretty cool movie indeed. but i thought princess mononoke was better.

spriggan had cool action and a decent story. nothing spectacular but very enjoyable

Jack_Deth · Post by **Jack_Deth** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:57 pm

Kharn wrote:Brother is an excellent flick, but let's not forget it was written and directed by "Beat" Takeshi Kitano, probably one of the most brilliant underrated directors currently around. Seriously, this man's a genius, keep an eye on him, and make sure you see Hana-bi (Fireworks) and Sono otoko, kyobo ni tsuki (Violent Cop)

Are Fireworks and Violent Cop better than Brother?

the guardian · Post by **the guardian** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:29 pm

Has anyone ever seen an anime movie called "Please Save My Earth"? The movie has THE most funny unintentional humor I've ever seen.

The homosexual jokes are ubiquitous. I couldn't remember the character's names, or follow the story, because the whole thing was like a fucked up soap oprah with no logic and a lot of pure unbelievable fag0ttishness(that's not even a word!). The "main" character, if there is such a thing, talks with plants(that ignore her). There's the obligatory purple haired kid and even the cliche fighting-in-the-air scene+good guy powering up and striking bad guy.

The movie then ended with a giant dead fat cat.

To this day I still can't understand what the story was about. All I remember is repeatidly laughing up to a point where my lungs started to wheeze from lack of air.

I strongly recommend this movie to anyone who realy finds pethatic emo moments combined with homosexuality, as hillarious.

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