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Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:19 am

General Winter strike back?

Grey Fil · Post by **Grey Fil** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:33 pm

LetÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´s clear things up. A Phyrric wictori is wen you win the wattle but luuse so much in menpower or other mylytari assets that you loose the var. In uder vords: From victory to victory til final defeat. The germans suffered just such a faith in WW2. They had much less men and equipment but where strategically, morally and technologically superior. One good example was the fight for a city (foggot the namez), where germans and soviets had heavy losses in tanks, the germans won but where unable to replace the lost tanks but the soviets replaced them in something like 2 weeks.
To win a war is easy, all you need is superior war productivity and motivated people. The american tanks (shermans) where shitty compared to the german panthers and tigers. Someone at the time said that they needed 5 shermans for each tiger. The thing was that they had them.

The americans lost in vietnam because they where supporting a stupid dictator not the vietnamese people. Had they invested half the money spent in democratization and aid they could have had a chance. And China and Cuba and several south american countries and many more are further examples. The war in Iraq is a modern version of the same shit. Invasion with overwelming military might, and not a clue on what to do next.

Democratic capitalist nations have the economic and productive superiority to win wars that the common citizens can agree with, like defending themselves or other frendly nations. Wars of conquest are easier to fight with dictatorships in place (be it left or right wing).

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:46 pm

Yes, that's my point. Fascists and commies rock on the field, but what happens after the dust settles must be left to capitalists, otherwise you're screwed.

Radoteur · Post by **Radoteur** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:41 am

Uh, no.
A facist or communist government can just kill anyone that opposes them. It'll be a little bloody, but at least they don't have to worry about bad press from killing civillans. Nobody else would stop them unless was in their best interest. So basically, don't piss off anyone stronger than you.
A dictatorship wouldn't have any problems with the war in Iraq, because all the protestors would either be either dead, dying or hiding.
If you can call the leader of your country an evil dictator that should be overthrown and live without torture or any other painful repercussions, they probably aren't a very good evil dictator.

Dictators have it pretty good after the war's over.
Anyone that opposes them that they manage to catch, they can kill slowly.
If they can't catch them, they can just kill all their family, and destroy everything they care about.
See, new opposers to the government will be far less willing to fight if they knew that if they started fighting their family could be killed.
The main fear of a dictator would be a coup or an assassination.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:58 pm

But hey, CCCP fell because of economic reasons, no?

So dictators don't have it that good after the war, huh?

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:55 pm

Kashluk wrote:But hey, CCCP fell because of economic reasons, no?

So dictators don't have it that good after the war, huh?

The most important cause of the fall of the USSR was a rise in nationalism prompted by Gorbachev's glasnost policy. The economy didn't help, certainly, but it wasn't the most important factor.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:05 pm

Could you give me a short version of glasnost's negative effects on CCCP...
Because "glasnost" always hits me with the translation "openess" when I see the word. And I know I should study stuff more carefully, but at least to an outsider (->propaganda?) it seems glasnost was only better.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:11 pm

Yes, yes it was better since it brought the goddamn USSR down. It did this by allowing the people to express their real opinions on things, which led to nationalist movements and eventually the secession of Lithuania from the USSR. Not long after, Russia herself left the Soviet Union during the coup. That was the end of the Soviet Union.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:15 pm

If I remember correctly it's something like mind-opening, liberalization of the press, freedom of speech and stuff like that.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:16 pm

Ok, you got me there for a while, bud

The policy was good, except it didn't fit a communist society.

But wasn't most of the critic aimed at the economy system? People had no food, but 12 overall pairs of rubber boots etc. I mean, if people have their basic needs unanswered they're going after them when they have the chance, aren't they?