Almost half of new Iraq army quits

iohkus · Post by **iohkus** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:35 pm

I don't know... almost funny

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast ... index.html

Apparently they don't like the pay, their US commanders, the conditions, and terms.

How they could be treated worse than when under Sadam's rule I don't know... maybe they would have quit back then too if Sadam didn't go after their families when they deserted.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:54 pm

CNN Article wrote:The discussions followed a letter two senators sent President Bush about the "need to speed up the process by which Iraqis assume greater responsibility" for security as the coalition prepares to cede power back to Iraqis in July.

This is not good. What, are we going to just up and leave, or something?

The Gaijin · Post by **The Gaijin** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:35 am

I would. Fucking ingrates, SEE IF FRANCE WILL HELP YOU REBUILD A COUNTRY.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:37 am

France is a horrible choice. We want the Iraqi army to be able to fight, they already know how to surrender.

Menno · Post by **Menno** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:47 am

MurPHy wrote:
CNN Article wrote:The discussions followed a letter two senators sent President Bush about the "need to speed up the process by which Iraqis assume greater responsibility" for security as the coalition prepares to cede power back to Iraqis in July.
This is not good. What, are we going to just up and leave, or something?

I believe what he's referring to is the formal transfer of (most) power from the Coalition to whatever the Iraqi-elected government would be. US forces would most likely guard key locations and perform anti-insurgent operations, while Iraiq police (and Iraqi Army) handle the civilian locations, police work, and guarding schools and bridges and such. I seriously doubt the United States is leaving anytime soon, especially after viewing the upcoming deployments to Iraq. They will be reducing the number of forces though because their operations will be scaled back anyway. The US will be staying in Iraq at least for another decade (and beyond, since it'll probably contain their major base in the region in the future), both to react to any new developments, carry out operations, and to re-assure the Iraqis that they aren't going to be abandoned as they were after the first Gulf War.

I do have to say that the Iraqis have been stepping up in a big way, and they deserve alot of credit. Even with threats to their lives/family, Iraqi police are enlisting in large numbers. Unfortunately the media doesn't like reporting the good things that are going on over there; instead they rather tally a body count. Yesterday (or the day before, I forgot) there was a huge anti-terrorism demonstration in Iraq but the media made no mention of it as if it never occured.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:31 am

Menno wrote:I do have to say that the Iraqis have been stepping up in a big way, and they deserve alot of credit. Even with threats to their lives/family, Iraqi police are enlisting in large numbers. Unfortunately the media doesn't like reporting the good things that are going on over there; instead they rather tally a body count. Yesterday (or the day before, I forgot) there was a huge anti-terrorism demonstration in Iraq but the media made no mention of it as if it never occured.

I've said it once before, and I'll say it again. The media is rife with communists, leftists, and, in general, traitors. And when I mean traitors, I mean it in a Benedict Arnold kind of way.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:03 am

No it's full of conservatives, racists, and bush-loving morons.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:05 am

Franz_Schubert wrote:No it's full of conservatives, racists, and bush-loving morons.

Who are just tingling in anticipation of passing up a story that would make Bush look good, right?

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:27 am

I was referring to Menno's point about the anti-terrorism.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:28 am

Are you watching the same news programs I am Franz?

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:30 am

Rule of the universe: Liberals see only right-wing BS in the media, and conservatives see only left-wing BS in the media.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:38 am

And only idiots consider themselves left or right wing.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:23 am

How can you possibly justify that statement?

avenger69ie · Post by **avenger69ie** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:50 pm

didnt you know? hamer is always right, even when he's wrong.

trythebill · Post by **trythebill** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:18 pm

Franz_Schubert wrote:How can you possibly justify that statement?

because anyone who voluntary categorizes themselves based on a multitude of political values held by others that they may not even completely understand or accept is a goddamn moron.

also, a large part of the reason why the new iraqi recruits are quitting is due to the fact that the way the U.S. military runs things is so drastically different than the way arabs in general run their militaries.

there is a good essay called "why arabs lose wars" or something like that that will give you a good idea as to why these iraqis are quitting.

avenger69ie · Post by **avenger69ie** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:23 pm

if france invaded the states and organised an american army which was run by french people in a french way of thinking, would american nationals quit?

Slave_Master · Post by **Slave_Master** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:07 pm

Franz_Schubert wrote:Rule of the universe: Liberals see only right-wing BS in the media, and conservatives see only left-wing BS in the media.

Since I'm not left or right-wing (The only opinion I totally agree with is mine -- fuck conformists) all I see is bullshit from both sides in the media.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:01 pm

avenger69ie wrote:if france invaded the states and organised an american army which was run by french people in a french way of thinking, would american nationals quit?

ahhaha good point. reminds me of when the french owned upper/lower canada and the british came and fucked them up with all their british rules.

also reminds me of the american revolution, when the americans allied with the french against the british and the french generals commanded US troops. well tried to anyways.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:06 pm

avenger69ie wrote:if france invaded the states and organised an american army which was run by french people in a french way of thinking, would american nationals quit?

The American Nationals would become American minutemen, and France would get its ass handed to it.

avenger69ie · Post by **avenger69ie** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:32 pm

hence, why these iraqi guys are quitting. i would too if a foreign commander took lead of my country's armed forces, and if i was young enough to be in the irish army.

what is a minuteman by the way? i've heard of the term before but i'm not sure what it is.