I officially give up on Christianity

RawonaM · Post by **RawonaM** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:22 pm

If Lemmy and God would fight each other, who would win?

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:17 pm

You mean I-drank-more-whiskey-when-I-was-seven-years-old-than-Churchill-ever-did- Lemmy?
Well Lemmy, of course

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:01 pm

You know what these moral guidelines do Kashluk? Give people the illusion they are good, since they can go confess themselves. 17 years old slut drink beer, smoke, fuck the football team and then go confess at the church and she thinks it's OK. Fuck that. If you need religion to respect the others or have a moral code, you suck.

Slave, christiannity contributed to the fall of the roman empire. It splitted up the empire between christians and those who believed in the old gods. There was massacres and mass crucifixion for years because of this new religion.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:21 pm

Note - confessions are a part of the Catholic church, in Evangelic Lutheran (and most other Protestants on that matter) don't do confessions.

That means your example only works on one religion, one under-section of a religion to be more exact.

And I'm not sure if you got your history books in the correct order. First of all, right after the birth of Christianity it had been persecuted by the Roman Empire. It was under heavy preasure until a Christian Emperor came to power and ceased all actions against it. That meant Christianity turned from an underground movement to an accepted religion.

Then, later on, the Roman Empire (and along with it the Christian "beginning" church) divided in two, the Roman Catholics being on the other side and the Orthodox on the other. Orthodoxes, the Byzantines, did not believe in "the old gods", not by any means. They were devoted Christians, but valued the mystic aspect of Christianity (the side, which many might consider hogus-bogus / useless crap / lies), unlike the Catholics who valued everyday life and practical things.

Orthodox didn't do "sword-converting" pretty much at all nor did they use as much censorship as Catholics did. Still they were the "more religious" ones. Funny how that turned out to be.

So Christianity didn't have much to do with the fall of Rome. The East's and West's cultural and economical differences were so great, that the whole thing would not have lasted with or without Christians.

Study Antic warfare & Ancient Rome's (pretty much sole) major income: invasions. They prospered as long as they were expanding, but then they grew too huge to conquer any more land. All their resources were spent to guarding the borders, which then eventually gave up.

The rich East did not want to pay for the stupid West's decisions and expensive wars far north. So they decided to say "bye bye Roman empire" and start their own.

RawonaM · Post by **RawonaM** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:30 pm

You mean I-drank-more-whiskey-when-I-was-seven-years-old-than-Churchill-ever-did- Lemmy?
Well Lemmy, of course

Its a trick guestion! Lemmy is god!

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:39 pm

Damn it, I should've known that. Well if Lemmy's God, then what does that make Rob Halford?

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RawonaM · Post by **RawonaM** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:57 pm

Damn it, I should've known that. Well if Lemmy's God, then what does that make Rob Halford?

Hmmm... Well I guess there are many gods... althought Halford is a bit too creepy guy...
I dont even want to think what that guy thought while wroting songs like Love Bites... Creepy guy...
But cant say that he couldnt sing well, or make good songs.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:35 pm

I pretty much concluded that from your signature

RawonaM · Post by **RawonaM** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:46 pm

Yeah well I like to put lyrics on the signature and that just happened to be there this time (I change it quite often

).

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:31 pm

Protestants buy their way to heaven and to cure their sins, it ain't better than confessions. The only religion which didn't bring war is buddhism I think, there was no tyranical church.

Christiannity did split the roman empire in 2 : when that emperor declared it was OK to be christian, loto f people were discontant with that. That's the first division, it started it all, from then the empire was divided, 2 ways of thinking, competition, it started it all.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:39 pm

Buy in which way? Please give us an example.

When the emperor persecuted the Christians and blaimed them from burning the city of Rome, a lot of people were discontant with that as well.

And I can't understand how anti-Christian side and Christian side could turn up into two Christian nations?

Slave_Master · Post by **Slave_Master** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:07 pm

If I remember correctly, the emperor who first split the empire wasn't Christian in the first place. It was some dude before Constantine.

Turan · Post by **Turan** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:54 am

Slave_Master wrote:If I remember correctly, the emperor who first split the empire wasn't Christian in the first place. It was some dude before Constantine.

You do. It was a Pagan who hated Christians, but wanted to govern only the Eastern parts of the Empire. Bit of an idiot.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:45 am

Kashluk wrote:The funniest thing of all is, that atheism counts as a religion. The faith in nothing, a theo, no God.

No, it's "a-theism". The "a" means "not", and the "theism" refers to religion. Thus, atheism = not-religion. Not "faith in no god".

Turan · Post by **Turan** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:20 am

Thus you would argue that Anarchism is not a political ideology? That is absurd. Atheism, just like all other religions, asks for leaps of faith, sacrifices and donations. Not only that, but it also has Prophets (Marx, Freud, Darwin), fanatical branches (Communism)......
Secular humanism is another matter, so is agnosticism, but I think that "atheism" is as much a religion as the Unitarian Church- they get in on technicalities.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:27 am

Wow that's pretty effective sarcasm.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:09 pm

Turan wrote:Thus you would argue that Anarchism is not a political ideology? That is absurd. Atheism, just like all other religions, asks for leaps of faith, sacrifices and donations. Not only that, but it also has Prophets (Marx, Freud, Darwin), fanatical branches (Communism)......
Secular humanism is another matter, so is agnosticism, but I think that "atheism" is as much a religion as the Unitarian Church- they get in on technicalities.

haha i really hope you didnt mean that whole statement.

athiesm isnt a religion because its whole point is against religion. you dont worship anyone or give praise or sacrafices to darwin. darwin makes sense, believing in something that doesnt exist doesnt. i dont go out to a jehovah's witness castle i stole from jesus and preach athiesm, i just sit at home and enjoy life instead of believing everything i do is dictated by some remedial higher power.

communism is the farthest thing from religion because it goes out of its way to eliminate all religions. religion just creates more problems that benefits.

Grey Fil · Post by **Grey Fil** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:56 am

Bunch of mixed up forumites.

Atheism=no god. An atheist refuses to acknowledge any god or divine entity. Or in other words, there are no gods for an atheist.

Agnostic= no knowledge. The agnostic person refuses to accept any particular god and doubts the existence of any. There may or not be gods but he doesnt know wich if any is the correct one.

A gnostic person belives in the existence of god or gods but doesnt accept any particular religion as the correct one.

None of them worships any particular deity.

A (insert any religion here) belives in a certain god and accepts a certain religion as the sole source of true knowledge of the divinity.

The roman empire was split for political reasons not religious ones.
The fall of the west roman empire was caused by a weakened political and economic situation. The migrating "barbarians" in the 3rd century where assimilated or defeated but in the 5th century the empire was to weak to resist them.
The religious situation in the lands of the empire evolved slowly and very complexly from the 2nd to the 6th or 7th century.
In the beginning the christians, with several sects, where a minority of little importance they where sometimes used as escape goats by some emperors, kind of jews in nazi germany. By the 3rd century they where still a minority but they had grown to be one of the most important religions. The adherence to it by some of the strongest emperors was probably more politicaly motivated then anything else. But it rised to become the major religion in the central areas of the empire in the 4th and 5th century. While the religious authority in the east coalesced around the emperor the west was falling apart under the pressure of the mostly arian germanic tribes. These arians where a sect of christianity converted by Arios a bishop who preached that god`s son was not a divine being, and had nothing to do with the arian race of wich most westerners where descendants. In the west the supreme religious authority became the bishop of Rome (aka the pope). He gained ascendancy over the west (in religious terms) and its missionaries converted slowly the barbarian kings to the catholic faith. The christians divided into the catholic and orthodox church around the 6th century (concilium of Niceia) when the eastern bishops acnowledged the emperor of the east as supreme authority of the church and the already divided western roman empire`s bishop recognized the pope as the supreme authority in the west.
The division of the empire was not caused by religion and the fall of the western roman empire was not caused by religion although it had some influence on how things happened, but the split of the church was caused by political reasons.

Now prove me wrong.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:01 am

Or you can just be a free soul who's rational, open-minded and willing to compromise their beliefs, but not at some silly whim or whenever confronted with cold, hard facts. That's the best way.

Like that'll ever happen lawl