The Burrows

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 1:32 am

Metzer was trading slaves to the Enclave, but I don't think he was giving them chemicals.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 4:06 am

I think Fallout 2 had a better gameplay but fallout 1 coveyed the post-apocalyptic atmosphere much better.

I also played Fallout 2 before playing the first, i'm not sure why.

Rat Keeng · Post by **Rat Keeng** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 9:55 am

Deathy wrote: Generally, I have seen that the people who think FO2 was the best, played it before Fallout.

Which is rather sad. My little brother did the same, and he didn't want to play Fallout because it lacked a take all button. Whenever i feel the need to smack him around i use that as an excuse.

Dan wrote:I think Fallout 2 had a better gameplay

Not exactly better gameplay, just an improved interface and better control of your followers. More or less pointless changes imo.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:01 am

Rat Keeng wrote: Which is rather sad. My little brother did the same, and he didn't want to play Fallout because it lacked a take all button. Whenever i feel the need to smack him around i use that as an excuse.

I'd say that's an excuse to tie him up, stuff him in a sack, and throw him in a ditch somewhere in India.

I myself don't pathologically hate Fallout 2 like some other people around here do, but I do like Fallout 1 better. Mainly because of the Master, who was one of the greatest villains ever. I just loved that he wasn't really evil, but rather just a misguided soul who though he was helping humanity. I also liked when the mutants would say 'Human weapons cannot harm me!' and then get killed in one shot by my turbo plasma rifle...

Rat Keeng · Post by **Rat Keeng** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:14 am

Spazmo wrote: I'd say that's an excuse to tie him up, stuff him in a sack, and throw him in a ditch somewhere in India.

Never bite the hand that feeds you. If i did that, i wouldn't have anyone to smack around.

I myself don't pathologically hate Fallout 2 like some other people around here do, but I do like Fallout 1 better.

I don't hate Fallout 2 either, if i did i wouldn't have played it through numerous times. It was just flawed.

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:38 am

Doyle wrote:Metzer was trading slaves to the Enclave, but I don't think he was giving them chemicals.

He was just easedropping on them, wasn't he? I think that's what Vic was saying, but it's been a long time since I've seen that dialogue. I don't particularly care for Vic, so I rarely get him.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:51 am

I'm reasonably certain he was selling them slaves. That's why he wasn't selling any to anyone else, he was stockpiling them for the Enclave.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 11:10 am

Not necessarily. I think it's possible that Metzger sold slaves to Vault City. While I do find the Enclave theory plausible, there's no proof in the game.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 12:33 pm

I find that Vault City theory questionable. I don't recall hearing anything to support it, but we do know that the Enclave were buying slaves in large quantities for experimentation.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 4:57 pm

I don't loathe Fallout 2, but compared to Fallout...just seems like a Frankenstein job. A lot of OSI's work ended up the same, too. It's fairly insulting for an artist to make something truly good, then someone else comes along and makes a ten month game that's passed off as a sequel.

As for playing order, I played the Fallout demo, first.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 5:23 pm

The problem with people who played FOT first is that playing one of the original fallouts is not very easy for them, it does look old, ugly and a messy interface compared to FOT. It requires a lot of concentration, patience and interest in the fallout universe to play through the original fallouts. Almost the same thing with Fallout -> Wasteland, if you're not a big fan of C64.

Gameplay and interface, however, should be no excuse when playing Fallout after you've completed Fallout 2 first. The games use the same engine and almost look identical.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 6:18 pm

I've been thinking of something, if the source for Wasteland ever (hah!) gets released. Add in a gamepad interface and spruce up the interface a bit. Wasteland might have been a good NES release, come to think about it....

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:35 am

Doyle wrote:I find that Vault City theory questionable. I don't recall hearing anything to support it, but we do know that the Enclave were buying slaves in large quantities for experimentation.

Well, if he's getting chemicals from Vault City, as Lara says, it's more likely that's where the slaves go. I think that's what he's saying.

Rosh wrote:I don't loathe Fallout 2, but compared to Fallout...just seems like a Frankenstein job. A lot of OSI's work ended up the same, too. It's fairly insulting for an artist to make something truly good, then someone else comes along and makes a ten month game that's passed off as a sequel.

Yup, the lack of time really hurt the quality of Fallout 2. Fallout 2 should have had a lot more thought put in to it, and a lot more communication from the designers to insure that is wasn't so "patchworked".

Rex Exitium · Post by **Rex Exitium** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:25 am

On the plus side, it isn't Daikatana.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:27 am

Hitler was a bad person, but on the plus side he wasn't Satan incarnate. Ok, that's pretty harsh, but you get the idea.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 4:10 am

Rex Exitium wrote:On the plus side, it isn't Daikatana.

True, but Daikatana was an over-hyped Quake II mod.

Fallout 2 could loosely be called what some publishers term "trojan sequel".

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:12 pm

Rosh wrote:Fallout 2 could loosely be called what some publishers term "trojan sequel".

A "trojan sequel" as in, "they snuck it in," or as in, "I hope they wear a trojan when they stick it to me"? :mrgreen:

OTB

Constipated BladeRunner · Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:30 pm

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:11 am

OnTheBounce wrote: A "trojan sequel" as in, "they snuck it in," or as in, "I hope they wear a trojan when they stick it to me"? :mrgreen:

Sort of both, really.

Usually it's in reference to a hacked together sequel that's meant to pass off as one.

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:15 am

Like Icewind Dale 2.