I didn't even know these guys existed.

[Doyle]

I'm a Constitutionalist now.

www.constitutionparty.com

[Menno]

Sounds like my kind of party. Even their tagline says it all: "'What's Happening' in American politics!"

While I don't agree with their entire platform, for the most part I wouldn't mind if our government took a "back to basics" approach in some areas.

[Kashluk]

So, they're fighting for to repel the Federal Government and create a shattered America of 50 different nations?
Sign me in!

These guys are pathetic, moralistic, inbread extreme right-wingers with no sense of reality. At the same time they want to protect nature AND unmake all global treaties concerning energy saving and pollution control? I can't see how that could add up...

... the only good thing about them is, that they would propably fuck up USA so bad that it's days of World Police would be finished. Like they say on their webpage: "We say "No!" to the New World Order."

[taltiren]

Libertarianism is the way to go.

www.lp.org

[chrisbeddoes]

They say that power corrupts. They look fine now but if they ever came to power ...

[Brother None]

Libertarianism is the way to go.

Yeah, if you're insane

Har-har-har!

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

Libertarianism is the way to go.

www.lp.org

I've just been reading some Libertarian fiction, The Probability Broach and The American Zone by L. Neil Smith, good books but any political messages and commentaries on American life were lost on me.

[Kashluk]

Hm... It seems the only main difference between Libertarians and Constitutioners is Drug Prohibition - Libertarians are against it, Constitutioners are for it. Otherwise their agenda's are pretty much the same, with a few minor differing details.

[Slave_Master]

I really, really like the whole "X is the Creator's law, SO IT SHALL BE!" stuff.

Oh yeah, and how they want to get rid of immigrants, and simultaneously want to remove all wage and price controls. For "individual liberty and the free market". Hey dipshits, did you ever stop and think that individual liberty and the free market are why companies outsource or hire illegal aliens? If these people ever get into power, I guarantee you that poverty and unemployment would go through the roof.

Before rednecks get drunk and start their own political party, they need to repeat "Pure capitalism does not work" while slamming their heads into a wall.

At the same time they want to protect nature AND unmake all global treaties concerning energy saving and pollution control? I can't see how that could add up...

It adds up because the current pollution treaties haven't been shown to work. Most countries that bitch at the US for not signing the Kyoto protocol know it. That's why they signed it and never implemented it.

Still I do love that logic. If the Kyoto Protocol doesn't work, then obviously no other environmental treaty will ever work!

I need to start my own political party. Yeah, that would be pretty kickass. At least it wouldn't suck.

[Kashluk]

Before rednecks get drunk and start their own political party, they need to repeat "Pure capitalism does not work" while slamming their heads into a wall.

Or to be more exact: "Pure capitalism does not equal pure free market, pure capitalism is monopoly."

It adds up because the current pollution treaties haven't been shown to work. Most countries that bitch at the US for not signing the Kyoto protocol know it. That's why they signed it and never implemented it.

As far as I know, Kyoto protocol only sets limits to the pollution your country is allowed to pump in the air, water and soil each year and it's all up to you how to make the industry meet these requirements. So, if it doesn't work, it means your Enviromental Policy doesn't work, nothing else(?).


What would you call your party, by the way? www.cpusa.org?

[Megatron]

www.cpusa.org? :D

I dig the whole brotherhood of steel/quake thing going on.


Nothing intresting to add to another topic where Kashluk get's pretty damn funky on everyone.

[Slave_Master]

What would you call your party, by the way? www.cpusa.org?

Haha... no.

So far all I can think of is the "Make [My Name] King Party".

Or to be more exact: "Pure capitalism does not equal pure free market, pure capitalism is monopoly."

Well, yeah. I'm surprised that all the big corporations aren't supporting these folks, if they aren't. I could imagine the Constitutionalist Party's sales pitch. "Eliminating the need for outsourcing... by fucking over American citizens!"

As far as I know, Kyoto protocol only sets limits to the pollution your country is allowed to pump in the air, water and soil each year and it's all up to you how to make the industry meet these requirements. So, if it doesn't work, it means your Enviromental Policy doesn't work, nothing else(?).

In that case, it's a fluff treaty.

My party's platform on the environment will be something like "Fuck the environment, we can always move to Mars."

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

the US couldnt conform to kyoto without totally taking a shot in the eye of their economy.

oh and canada signed the kyoto protocol back in the day and last time i looked at it, canadas emissions have gone up drastically since...

[Kashluk]

oh and canada signed the kyoto protocol back in the day and last time i looked at it, canadas emissions have gone up drastically since...

How does regulating pollution and raising emissions depend on each other? I'd say, when you regulate, emissions go down, so I'm not really getting your point here. The only possible solution to it by my logic would be, that instead of investing on solar/wind/nuclear power (like Kyoto protocol recommends) they decided to burn the last bit of coal, wood and oil they had left.



Oh, and megatron.. That thing about funkiness you mentioned. Was that positive or negative?

[Doyle]

So, they're fighting for to repel the Federal Government and create a shattered America of 50 different nations?
Sign me in!

These guys are pathetic, moralistic, inbread extreme right-wingers with no sense of reality. At the same time they want to protect nature AND unmake all global treaties concerning energy saving and pollution control? I can't see how that could add up...

You ignorant, finnish child. These people are more liberal than the Liberals in this nation. Why? Because they truly believe that if it is not in the Constitution, then they don't have the power to enforce it. Coincidentally, that's what the law says, too. Right-wing? You don't even understand what that term means.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

oh and canada signed the kyoto protocol back in the day and last time i looked at it, canadas emissions have gone up drastically since...

How does regulating pollution and raising emissions depend on each other? I'd say, when you regulate, emissions go down, so I'm not really getting your point here. The only possible solution to it by my logic would be, that instead of investing on solar/wind/nuclear power (like Kyoto protocol recommends) they decided to burn the last bit of coal, wood and oil they had left.

it was meant to show how well the kyoto protocol works. it was sarcasm.

[atoga]

Looks pretty dull to me? There's no campaign statement that's that convincing or daringly original up there. They look nice, but then again who doesn't? And their web design just sucks.

I'd join the Slavemaster monarchy though.

[airsoft guy]

I'm not liking these guys, they're like Libertarians, as said before, but it's like they're an imitation that tastes like shit. LIke real Tums taste okay, but when you get the generic brand they taste the way the blue water in a port-a-potty smells.

I'm especially not digging the whole God thing, it's like where hardcore Christian Republicans realized that most Republicans nowadays are douche nozzles. They saw the Libertarian Party and didn't like some of their stances, like on drugs, and the fact that you would be hard pressed to find the word "God" on their website. It's just to the Right of the Libertarian Party, but the Libertarians are far more popular, and will stay that way for some time.

Personally though, Libertarian all the way.

[Doyle]

If you can't see past the usage of the word God, then you're missing the substance of the party. At its heart, it's just a political part that thinks we should actually adhere to the Constitution. They may use religious language and seem Conservative, but that won't affect their platform at all.

I don't like Libertarians, because many seem to want an unworkable level of government. I've met Libertarians who believe that even things like national defense and road construction and maintainence should be left to the private sector.

[airsoft guy]

That's what the Libertarian Party is for too, and giving us even more rights, not just the ones guaranteed by the Constitution.

Some other places where the Libertarian and Constitution Parties differ:

National Defense:

The Libertarians believe we should spend less, especially on foriegn millitary aid, since the Cold War is over, we really don't need a fleet of B-52's hanging out in Germany, and the Japanese are an economic superpower that has the money to defend itself, so it doesn't need our help anymore.

The Constitutionalists believe in a strong National defense, but we should also get out of everyone else's military affairs.

Still, I don't see why we need to spend $260 billion a year on national defense while one of our greatest rivals only spends about $80 billion (Russians), and the Chinese only spend about $7 billion.

Do we really need NATO? That costs American taxpayers $90 billion a year. Think of what we could do with that kind of cash.

Drug abuse:

The Libertarian Party is for the legalization of pretty much all drugs, good times were had by all (especially since they're also for repealing pretty much all gun control laws, that means if the crackheads get their crack, then I get a .50 on my car so when I have to drive through crack neighborhoods, I can blow the bastards away.)

The Constitution Party believes that in cases of drug abuse people, where "appropriate," should be executed. Holy dog shit, folks, that's just not cool. How can you not be violating sombody's Constitutional rights when you execute them for drug violations? They do that kind of shit in Singapore, a place where chewing gum is banned, and if you're caught chewing it they throw you in jail (I'm going to have to check on the exact details). I don't know about you, but I don't think that's the kind of place I would want to live.

Abortion:

The Libertarian Party's stance is that your body is yours, and anything inside is your property, therefore the government really has no say in if you want to toss a M-80 up there and blow the little bastard away.

The Constitution Party goes off on some babble about God's image, and how the government must step in to prevent abortions, even in the event of rape or incest. Not even incest? So lets sit down and think about that for a few minutes let it sink in, then continue...

... Good, so lets get a little scenario going here. A father pounds his daughter hardcore all night long, giving her his demon seed over and over again. Now she's already been mentally scarred for life, daddy giving you the shaft has a tendancy to do that to a young girl, but now, she's pregnant with her brother, who will probably come out with webbed fingers and an I.Q. slightly higher than the room temperature of a meat locker. Think of how much that would fuck you up if you had a baby and you had to tell people that it was your brother, and you gave birth to the little retard! And these jackasses are bitching about how the "moral fiber" of this country is being torn apart by immoral activities. I don't know, but forcing a girl to give birth to their own sibling seems pretty immoral to me.

I don't know, I'm just thinking these guys are nutjobs.