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[Slave_Master]

Gotta respect an honest biggot.

I'm not bigoted. Rats are somewhere between baboons and gorillas, that is a scientific fact!

You know, the most ironic things about this whole deal w/FO:PoS is that IPLY was essentially throwing all its eggs into one basket to save the company...and all they could come up w/was some half-assed shovel-ware...

Yeah, that was kind of silly. Quite frankly, if I was going to stash all my eggs in one basket I'd do it with BG3, but what do I know? I don't have a master's degree in marketing.

Absolutely not, sir! They should be content to dampen their sensibilities for 1-1/2 hours and look w/bug-eyed joy at the cutsie shit on screen. :hmph!:

Hmm... what if they (they being the movie developing people) made some sort of double layer film such that if you view their latest "Cute Animal Voiced by Michael J Fox Does Cliched Shit" with special glasses, you get to watch porn. The worst part is that somebody's going to steal my idea. Oh well.

A new "original" RPG would be nice. I wonder if the rumors are true that Troika will be doing a Gamma World RPG. I hope not, I'd rather see them not be constrained by WotC, not to mention that the last incarnation of Gamma World was some Alternity crap that completely altered the setting.

OTB

Gamma World... what genre is that, anyway? Post-apoc, right? If so, I'd probably play that, but I'd like something else. I'm thinking Old West or some science fiction RPG. Nanotechnology, for example, as a plot device makes for some pretty varied character development -- if you don't have a shitty designer.

[OnTheBounce]

I don't have a master's degree in marketing.

Which is why your mother doesn't have to dress you in the morning...

Come to think of it, I have never met anyone studying business or marketing that was worth the powder and lead it would take to blow their brains out.

Hmm... what if they (they being the movie developing people) made some sort of double layer film such that if you view their latest "Cute Animal Voiced by Michael J Fox Does Cliched Shit" with special glasses, you get to watch porn. The worst part is that somebody's going to steal my idea. Oh well.

Ah well, you can always settle for getting a job at the theatre and splicing in single frams for pr0n flicks.

Gamma World...what genre is that, anyway? Post-apoc, right? If so, I'd probably play that, but I'd like something else.

Yes, it's post-apoc, and there was even a retro element in it. However, it was science fantasy rather than science fiction. There were lots of freakish mutants running around, and basically the mutations often allowed spell-like effects. Some as outrageous as time travel, or precognition.

I'm thinking Old West or some science fiction RPG. Nanotechnology, for example, as a plot device makes for some pretty varied character development -- if you don't have a shitty designer.

Lots of unplumbed territory out there. Hopefully someone will come along w/something that's not something from the latest hot trend in film converted to an RPG. (Wild West would be nice. It's been ages since I've played anything like that.)

OTB

[Franz Schubert]

Vampires!

EDIT: Also, the price for FOBOS has now dropped 4 bucks to $45.95. Is it normal for Amazon to drop a price on a game this soon? Its sales rank is now 1,039.

[Slave_Master]

Lots of unplumbed territory out there. Hopefully someone will come along w/something that's not something from the latest hot trend in film converted to an RPG.

It's as if the more mainstream gaming gets, the less original ideas there are, and the more sequels/blatant rip-offs there are. For the past five years, the market's been saturated with fantasy RPG's. Coincidentally, that's also one of the reasons I don't want to see FO3 or any other post apoc RPG -- I'd hate to see some knockoff POS PA game coming out every two weeks.

(Wild West would be nice. It's been ages since I've played anything like that.)

I finally just said "Fuck waiting around for a Wild West CRPG" and am getting the GURPS Old West sourcebook.

Vampires!

...Fuck you.

In all seriousness, I really wouldn't mind vampire-themed RPG's as long as it was more along the lines of ye olde eastern European vampire lore (like Dracula and whatnot). No more angsty goth vampires dancing to shitty techno music in nightclubs, please.

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EDIT: Also, the price for FOBOS has now dropped 4 bucks to $45.95. Is it normal for Amazon to drop a price on a game this soon? Its sales rank is now 1,039.

Hahah. I think it may very well be a case of the nuances of supply and demand here. Anybody else thinking they've had rather poor sales over the past three days? Of course three days is a pretty short time, but (correct me if I'm wrong, smart people) I thought games usually sold the fastest within the first week.

[OnTheBounce]

I finally just said "Fuck waiting around for a Wild West CRPG" and am getting the GURPS Old West sourcebook.

I've never played that. Back in the heyday of my tabletop gaming I was a T$R whore.

You might want to check out the old T$R game Boot Hill. Billed as an RPG, but best played as a mix of tactical simulation and B-grade Western.

In all seriousness, I really wouldn't mind vampire-themed RPG's as long as it was more along the lines of ye olde eastern European vampire lore (like Dracula and whatnot). No more angsty goth vampires dancing to shitty techno music in nightclubs, please.

Agreed. That's why I am absolutely unexcited by Trioka's foray into vampire land. Something Nosferatu-esque would be nice. Hell, maybe somone will have the balls to make a game that actually looks like a grainy, scratched up copy of an old horror flick, w/an appropriate soundtrack and expressionistic lighting. (Something tells me that's not going to happen, though.)

EDIT: Also, the price for FOBOS has now dropped 4 bucks to $45.95. Is it normal for Amazon to drop a price on a game this soon?

I...um...don't think so. This can't be a good sign: ships Tuesday, prices drops Friday.

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[Franz Schubert]

In all seriousness, I really wouldn't mind vampire-themed RPG's as long as it was more along the lines of ye olde eastern European vampire lore (like Dracula and whatnot). No more angsty goth vampires dancing to shitty techno music in nightclubs, please.

Dracula is awesome true, but the fact is that if a developer wants to make a game that will sell, they will hop on the "leather-guns-and-techno" bandwagon.

Though Blade pwns.

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*badmouths TSR*

WHAT?? TSR is the greatest thing to happen to the Fantasy genre in since Tolkien.

[Menno]

(Wild West would be nice. It's been ages since I've played anything like that.)

I finally just said "Fuck waiting around for a Wild West CRPG" and am getting the GURPS Old West sourcebook.

Just be careful what you guys wish for; the way our luck has been running lately gaming-wise we'd probably end up with a "Wild, Wild West" RPG starring Will Smith.

[plays the theme song]

Doo doo doo doo
Wicki-wild wild
doo doo doo doo dooooo
Wicki-wicki-wild Wicki-wild
Wicki-wicki Wild Wild West
Yeahhhhhhhahhhhhhhh!
Jim West, desperado

Yeaaaaah!!!
Can you feel it? C'mon, c'mon Yeaaaaaaah
Keep it moving! Keep it moving! Ooooooooooooooh yeaaaaaaah
To any outlaw tryin to draw, thinkin you're bad
Any drawin on West, best with a pen and a pad
Don't even think about it, six gun, weighin' a ton
Ten paces and turn (one.. two.. three..) just for fun, son *BANG*
Up til sundown, rollin' around
See where the bad guys are to be found and make em lay down
The defenders of the West Crushin all pretenders in the West
Don't mess with us, cause we in the

The Wild Wild West
We're goin straight, to
The Wild Wild West
We're goin straight, to
the Wild Wild.. c'mon

[end theme]

Remember....be careful what you wish for. I'll get Interplay on it right away. A Wild West RPG with particle effects...

OMG I think I have a boner!

[OnTheBounce]

Just be careful what you guys wish for; the way our luck has been running lately gaming-wise we'd probably end up with a "Wild, Wild West" RPG starring Will Smith.

Y'know, if someone were to make a game of Wild, Wild West based on the old TV series, it wouldn't be too bad. Definitely different and it would basically be in its own field, not trying to compete w/dozens of blandly similar games.

Add Will Smith into the mix and you have...blasphemy...in a bucket.

OMG I think I have a boner!

I feel strangely aroused m'self. It was your "serenade" that did the trick.

WHAT?? TSR is the greatest thing to happen to the Fantasy genre in since Tolkien.

There was a lot more to T$R than fantasy games, FS. W/o T$R there would likely be no RPG market, at least not on the scale there is today. No disrespect to Steve Jackson, but he and the others were relatively small fry compared to Gary Gygax and his cohorts.

However, they really got bad in the late '80s and early '90s w/their insistance on releasing a $30.00 boxed set for Faerun every god-damned month. It's one of the many reasons I quit gaming on the tabletop. It's also the reason that I to this day refer to the as "T$R".

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[Killzig]

i fucking hate you menno.

[Megatron]

I think cyber-punk could be cool. But only if it was terrific and not futuristic? More Videodrome than Blade Runner.

Chest vagina>flying cars

Wild west would be good too? Some giant spider winning the civil war for cripples and will smith=w1n.

[Franz Schubert]

Nice sig, I'm touched by your patriotism.

[PaladinHeart]

That pic looks painful Megatron.. ouch! But only you would think of something nasty to add to it.. Reminds me of Landon, I bet you two would get along great.

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I've never really considered Time Travel to be more fantasy than sci-fi, but I consider mutants with superpowers to be more fantasy than sci-fi.. Of course superheroes have their own genre and really don't fit in fantasy OR sci-fi. They work best in a modern setting.

I just can't imagine a superhero in medieval times. What would they smash? I also can't see one in the future.. what would they smash?

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As for vampires, I agree. The old style vampires are much cooler than the modernized junk. Dracula: Dead and Loving, is one of my favorite movies by the way

"I didn't see anything! I didn't see anything!..... I saw eeeeverything!"

Of course that one is based off of Bram Stoker's.

Vampires in games should be like those in Baldur's Gate 2, wicked to the core. I just hated that level drain crap

I think a cool vampire mod could be done for FOT, with the right resistances, settings, and some good tile work. An old gothic town would look great. Imagine walking through an old alleyway with large houses on either side at midnight, and finding a dead corpse tucked into a little corner.

You could make FOT very scary. Heck, any game will invoke terror if you can die in one hit! Oh, im having a vision.. (Stay on the ledge Mario, stay on the ledge.. Nooo! -gets startled & jumps as mario slips and falls to his death- ) Err.. well maybe not.

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I like getting the old TSR books from eBay to read for ideas, or just to read when im bored. I also have a nice collection of Ral Partha minis I need to paint. It was nice getting that Dracolich for $50

I still need to find some old Post Apocalypse material

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My favorite type of game is the survival type. No, I don't mean resident evil (though I do like the series). I mean games like Ultima Underworld. You don't see many games like that. Does anyone know of any similar games that were ever made like that? I have both the first and 2nd (the first was by far the best) Ulitma Underworld games.

There's just something about getting lost in an old underground dungeon and having to survive by eating old moldy bread.

I also enjoyed getting in the occasional fight where I would have to jump in a river to get away. The game just had a really good survival setting. Best played without using magic.

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

Superheroes in the future would work, what was that comic book where superboy would time travel to the future and team up with a futuristic version of the JLA?

Green Lantern and Hawkman both had various storylines on alien planets which amounts to basically the same thing as being in the future.

They had a thread over at interplay last year (before the immolation of Black Isle) asking if they would consider doing a western themed CRPG, it was a very popular thread (though people were divided about it being realistic or a spoof), I'd certainly would buy such a game.

I'm certainly fed up with the fantasy genre, I'd like to see something similar to Star Trek as a CRPG, anyone remember Steve Jackson's Sci Fi Fighting Fantasy book Starship Traveller? I wonder if KOTOR is so popular just because it's Star Wars or whether the fact that it's not fantasy has anything to do with it?

[PaladinHeart]

I think KOTOR is popular based on a few things.

10. You can choose light side or dark side.

9. Its an RPG.

8. Blaster pistols, and dual wielding blaster pistols.

7. Multiple solutions to various problems.

6. There's an interesting plot twist near the end of the game, just before your first fight with the main bad guy.

5. There's a wookie in it, not to mention the wookie homeworld and some backstory about it. There is also backstory about the sand people. There is a TON of Star Wars backstory in the game.

4. There's a psychotic droid that calls you Master and everyone else "meatbags".

3. You get to dual wield lightsabres (how cool is that?). Said lightsabres, and a lot of other weapons in the game, are customizable at that. Each able to hold around two different customize object thingies.

2. It has a Yoda lookalike in it.

1. Its Star Wars (of course)

I rented it and won on it in a week. Its actually one of the better games that Bioware has made. The space combat is VERY weak though. And the game far too short. I wish it had been at least as long as Planescape: Torment but each world is just limited to a few areas and your level caps at around 21 (very sucky, that). Level 99, ala Torment, would've been much better. Too bad it just didn't happen. I also didn't appreciate how easy it is to mess up your character. You may think you need to evenly distribute those points, but DON'T! You need to either focus on melee or ranged right from the beginning of the game, focusing on either strength or dexterity. Or other stats if you're going for a different style. Endurance is definitely pointless unless you want a meatbag err.. shield.

I'd like to go through the game and try different paths, but only when its $20 and I have a new xbox with the best cd-rom drive. The different choices you could make was what realy makes the game stand out. Let me give you an example in ending my post:

You're doing a test and after the test you can either:

A. Side with the dark side master of the academy.

B. Side with the dark side assitant of the academy.

C. Side with neither and kick both of their butts.

I chose C and barely won even with my well built character. The only reason I won was because the assistant kept draining the master while I was beating on him with two lightsabres. My favorite encounter in the game.

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

I think KOTOR is popular based on a few things.

Any game that claims to be an RPG ought to include points 10, 9, 7 & 6 otherwise it's not really an RPG. Points 5 (tons of backstory), 4 (interesting NPCs), 3 (customability) also go a long way to a good RPG. But I was just reading a few people's views in another forum, they hated it for virtually all your reasons. Namely it's an RPG and turn based.

[ExtremeDrinker]

This is not Fallout., January 15, 2004
Reviewer: A gamer from Denny's

If you're looking for an experience similar to that of Fallout 1, Fallout 2, or even ::shudders:: Fallout: Tactics, then click the back button on your browser now. The only thing this game, FO:BOS, has in common with the previous titles is the name, and it puts the name to shame. (Yeah...It's rhyme time.)

Maybe if you want another BG:DA, you might get into this game. It's got almost the same start, the graphics are equally poor, and the RPG element is..well..not there. Tomb Raider for the N-Gage plays better than this.

Pass this game up, spend your money on something good: Star Wars: KOTOR; Voodoo Vince; Grand Theft Auto III.

[PaladinHeart]

I don't really understand how someone can say they don't like an RPG because its an RPG and turn based. Likely just some casual gamers that weren't even following the game's progress. My brother tried it out at a store and said he didn't like it for those same reasons, yet he is a big star wars fan.

Its actually not turn based. Its uses a system very similar to Baldur's Gate (pause and order your people what to do).

I have played a few old RPG's in the past that were labeled as RPG's simply due to "player statistics" such as strength, turn based combat, etc.. (dragon warrior comes to mind) Even some FPS games will claim they are an RPG because of this. When people saw that RPG's were becoming popular they wanted to do anything to make their junk sell as well. May as well say Doom is an RPG because you build up by killing monsters (you have to kill them to get by and/or collect ammunition and better weapons), you have choices (go left or right), multiple solutions to defeat monsters (more than one weapon), and you meet interesting characters (too bad they are already dead or they're your enemy). Regardless of what you or I think, any game can be considered an RPG in today's market.

The biggest problem with the game (besides being too short) is most of the characters are useless. If they suck its even worse (you'll never have any need to use them).

You'll need a healer, someone to pick locks, someone to disarm traps and.. umm.. That's pretty much it. It would be best to have 3 warrior characters and devote skill points to a single skill for each one (one can pick locks, another disarm traps, and another heal) That way you can take the two best characters (whomever they are, probably two of the Jedi).

Its really a shame that they used such a limited system. I think the characters should have all been more specialized. The only way to clearly differentiate them is to increase their highest statistic when possible. And the points for doing so are limited (perhaps 1 every 3 levels, I can't remember).

[LlamaGod]

From the little I know about Vampire, there are ye olde Nosferatu vampires and there are also CEO Vampire guys or something, basically greedy corrupt guys that use Vampire stuff for power. I'll have to look into Vampire more, but it's fanbase is gross.

Vampire legends and the White Wolf RPG are very interesting, but the angsty Hot-Topic teenagers found them and now it's hard to get them without swimming through a sea of morons. Which is why I hope FOBOS dies quickly.

I will commit homicide if I see a bunch of DBZ/Final Fantasy fans talking about 'how cool "Fallout" is' (note the quotation marks).


As for game settings, I like when they mix. Like Arcanum and GeneForge, gives you alot more material for useage and gives for really interesting stuff that is fun to play because it's not been done over a thousand times.

A Pre-Arcanum setting would be kinda neat, it'd be similiar to Arcanum's setting (Steampunk), but right before the real big occurance, sorta like the Industrial age is just starting. It would give alot of fun stuff to see, fantasy places slowly being turned industrial and the usual knights with Top Hats and stuff. The few steam trains getting jumped by bandits on horses with swords and plate armor.