Anyone tried these headphones?

[Myrrdin]

Have seen them for a darn fine price and am thinking about ordering them. Of course the are nothing compared to a true speaker setup, but they are dirt cheap in comparison. Reviews seems mixed, so I wonder if anyone tried them? And I'm no audiophile so I'll probably be content as long as they aren't totally crap.

http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/ZM-RS6F.htm

[evilmonkey]

just get some good pair from koss or Sennheiser - unless you crave the surrond-sound so much.

[SuperH]

I think that's the whole point? They do seem cool... I was actually wondering about surround sound headphones the other day myself. That'd be pretty nice for games, if you have the sound card for it.

[Myrrdin]

Yeah, like SuperH said, it's the surround I'm after. For normal sound i already have a pair of decent speakers, but I can't fit a surround speaker setup in the limited living space I have. And it's about time I really try out my soundstorm chip. :headfones: (which I, in contrast to most people never had a problem with)

[Franz Schubert]

That's the first decent use of the new smileys that I've seen so far.

[the guardian]

I have used those. Expensive and useful, great quality, but I prefer the type that sits inside your ear, not covers it... I don't know the model, just know that my earphones are the ones that can easy lay eggs inside my brains if it wanted to. They rock.

[Smiley]

Sennheisers rock.... can't say anything else than that.

[Sol Invictus]

Forget headphones. I don't care what you say: 5.1 Surround setup > headphones.

[evilmonkey]

Forget headphones. I don't care what you say: 5.1 Surround setup > headphones.

Exitium you fool, saying that your 5.1 setup beats this?

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/ic ... pheus1.jpg[/img]

some data
The Orpheus combination offers the audiophile the ultimate in reference sound reproduction.

# Features: Electrostatic transducer principle
# 1 micrometer diaphragm, gold-plated (vapor technique)
# Electrodes made from special glass
# High end valve (electronic tube) amplifier
# All valve analog signal path
# On-board dedicated bitstream digital to analog converter

Technical Data - Headphone
# Transducer Principle Electrostatic
# Ear coupling Circumaural
# Frequency response 7-100,000 Hz (-10 dB) 14-85,000 Hz (-6 dB) 25-75,000 Hz (-3 dB)
# Frequency range Equalized for comparable diffuse field control
# Distortion < 0.01%
# Nominal sensitivity (U=100 V) Greater than or equal to 98 dB/1 kHz
# Polarization voltage 500 V
# Contact pressure 4.6 N
# Weight (without cable) 12.9 oz
# Connector 5-pin HV plug
# Connection cable 10 ft, 6-core copper cable (OFC), gold plated contacts

Technical Data - Amplifier
# Frequency response 10-20,000 Hz @ -0.25 dB
# Distortion (1 kHz) < 0.01%
# Unrated signal-to-noise ratio Greater than or equal to 80 dB
# Sensitivity/impedance 10 kohms
# Talk over muting (1 kHz) Greater than or equal to 80 dB
# Output voltage 400 Veff
# Line inputs (switchable) Optical, digital (Toslink) coaxial, digital (RCA phono) of incoming sampling frequency) coaxial, analog (RCA phono)
# Outputs For 2 HE90 headphones
# Weight Approx. 13 kg
# Dimensions 53 x 34 x 15.5 cm

[CloudNineGT]

Damn thats a nice setup. Anyway, a friend of mine has those headphones, and he usually prefers them to his actual speakers. They almost completely block out all other noise, and they do deliver good sound up to a point. Once they start getting really loud it can get sort of gritty.

[evilmonkey]

Damn thats a nice setup. Anyway, a friend of mine has those headphones, and he usually prefers them to his actual speakers. They almost completely block out all other noise, and they do deliver good sound up to a point. Once they start getting really loud it can get sort of gritty.

the Zalman ZM-RS6F
or The Orpheus HEV 90

I would assume the ZM-RS6F, unless he plays the HEV 90s on a dB way over the recommended levels for good and clean health in ones eardrums.

[Megatron]

I guess I have my 5.1 set up wrong or my ears are fucked? It doesn't seem to make much difference from stereo besides my shitty speakers keep 'bottoming out' or whatever happens when they fuck up.

[Sol Invictus]

Yes.

ProMedia Ultra 5.1

FREQUENCY RESPONSE:
25Hz-20kHz +/- 5dB
SENSITIVITY:
Closed loop system
MAX ACOUSTIC OUTPUT:
115dB at listening position
COVERAGE ANGLE:
Near field design
DISPERSION ANGLE:
90 ° x 40 ° Microtractrix ™ Horn
OVERLOAD PROTECTION:
Limiter circuit
ENCLOSURE TYPE:
Satellites and center�sealed; Subwoofer�6th order bass reflex
AMPLIFIER:
BASH ®, dual supply, switching/linear hybrid
AMPLIFIER POWER:
FTC Rated per Satellite: 60 watts/channel @ &#8804; 1% THD, 100Hz - 1KHz (Note: all channels driven) FTC Rated Subwoofer: 170 watts @ &#8804; 3% THD, 40 - 100Hz Maximum Burst Power*: 500 watts @ &#8804;
INPUTS:
Six analog discrete channels (three stereo miniplugs), Auxiliary stereo miniplug music input
OUTPUTS:
Five speaker level outputs (spring clips)
TWEETER:
25mm metalized polymer
HIGH FREQUENCY HORN:
MicroTractrix â„¢ horn
HF CROSSOVER:
3000Hz
MIDRANGE:
3" fiber composite
LOW FREQUENCY CROSSOVER:
120Hz
INPUT CONNECTIONS:
DIN cable to control module
SUBWOOFER:
Dual 8" side-firing fiber composite drivers
WIRE GAUGE ACCOMODATED:
18 gauge supplied
WEIGHT:
52.5 lbs
ENCLOSURE MATERIAL:
MDF
VOLTAGE:
120 volt
EXPORT VOLTAGE:
230 volt under development
MOUNTING:
Wall brackets (wb-1) and telescopic floor stands (rb-1) available at Klipsch web store
FEATURES:
Center channel has rear post angle adjustment for optimum positioning; SWS link for easy connection to ProMedia add-on subwoofer

[evilmonkey]

...

now some questions rexxie.

Promedia Ultra 5.1 got a frequency respons of 25Hz-20kHz +/- 5dB

heh - now thats pretty decent, and I might consider getting it, but I do prefer my 15Hz - 25kHz at -3dB myself, but that is nothing compared to the Orpheus as I fail to see how it have a chance in the world against those lows and highs of

7-100,000 Hz (-10 dB) 14-85,000 Hz (-6 dB) 25-75,000 Hz (-3 dB) headphone / 10-20,000 Hz @ -0.25 dB amp

or how is the INPUTS:
Six analog discrete channels (three stereo miniplugs), Auxiliary stereo miniplug music input
and OUTPUTS:
Five speaker level outputs (spring clips)

going to beat

the Orpheus headphone with
# Connector 5-pin HV plug
# Connection cable 10 ft, 6-core copper cable (OFC), gold plated contacts

or the amps Line inputs (switchable) Optical, digital (Toslink) coaxial, digital (RCA phono) of incoming sampling frequency) coaxial, analog (RCA phono)

etc etc - now you better find something better then that rexxie - and the surround is shit unless you listen to audio made for surround - aka most music, and damn many ripps and games looses that special flare a 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 can offer.

Now getting a HEV-90 to listen to compressed file formats is shit as well of course - as it costs a nice cool $14,900.00 but then the promedia is cheap at
$359.00 so true your option might just be worth it.



NOW if you really want a HOT 5.1 system something else might be intresting like the

Evidence Center speaker

Sensitivity (2.83 V/1 m): 90 dB
Recommended Amp. Power: Listening distance:

3 m: 20 watts (4 ohm)
5 m: 50 watts (4 ohm)
7 m: 100 watts (4 ohm)
10 m: 200 watts (4 ohm)
IEC Long Term Power Handling: 350 watts (4 ohm)
Impedance, Nominal: 4 ohms
Impedance, (20-200 Hz): 3.2 - 14.2 ohms
Impedance, (200-20 kHz): 3.6 - 6.5 ohms
Impedance, Phase Shift (20-200 Hz): -42° - +21°
Impedance, Phase Shift (200-20 kHz): -4° - +15°
Impedance, HF (200 kHz): 6.3 ohms
Frequency Response (+/- 3 dB): 38 - 23000 Hz
Resonance Frequency: 35 Hz
Internal Cabinet Volume: 36 litres
Bass Principle: Reflex
Weight: 121 lbs. (55 kg.)
Dimensions (W x H x L): 48.00 x 8.26 x 18.27 inches
1220 x 210 x 464 mm
Crossover: 3 way
Crossover Frequencies: 400, 1900 Hz
Crossover Slope: 6 dB/oct
Connection: CE-comp. WBT gold binding posts
Recommended Placing: Stand or cabinet support, under video screen
Remarks: Tweeters:
28 mm soft dome
Magnetic fluid
40 mm aluminum-alloy front with high heat-dissipation integrated in baffle
Pure aluminum wire voice coil
Aluminum-alloy rear chamber with high heat-dissipation
Over-dimensioned Neodymium magnet rings

Midranges:
15 cm one-piece moulded MSP-cone
38 mm pure aluminum wire voice coil
Propietary hybrid magnetic circuit

Woofers:
17 cm, one-piece moulded MSP-cone
75 mm pure aluminum wire voice coil
Neodymium dual-magnet rings
Magnetic fluid

add 2 Evidence Master speakers on the front sides

Frequency Responce:


20Hz - 26kHz (typical in-room)
27Hz - 26kHz (anecohic chamber)

Sensitivity:
92dB

Max SPL:
Est. 126dB (below compression)

Power Handling:
>600 Watts RMS (long-term)

Weight:
297 lbs. ea.

Dimensions (W x H x D):
H 80.70" x W 9.50" x D 22.80"

with 2 Temptation speakers on the sides

Sensitivity (2.83 V/1 m): 90 dB
Recommended Amp. Power: Listening distance:

3 m: 20 watts (4 ohm)
5 m: 50 watts (4 ohm)
7 m: 100 watts (4 ohm)
10 m: 200 watts (4 ohm)
IEC Long Term Power Handling: 500 watts (4 ohm)
Impedance, Nominal: 4 ohms
Impedance, (20-200 Hz): 3.1 - 14 ohms
Impedance, (200-20 kHz): 3.6 - 6.7 ohms
Impedance, Phase Shift (20-200 Hz): -50° - +26°
Impedance, Phase Shift (200-20 kHz): -3° - +20°
Impedance, HF (200 kHz): 6.1 ohms
Frequency Response (+/- 3 dB): 29 - 25000 Hz
Resonance Frequency: 28 Hz
Internal Cabinet Volume: 64 litres
Bass Principle: Reflex
Weight: 248 lbs. (113 kg)
Dimensions (W x H x L): 8.26 (15.35 baseplate) x 76.10 x 19.29 inches
210 (390 baseplate) x 1933 x 490 mm
Crossover: 3 way
Crossover Frequencies: 500, 2300 Hz
Crossover Slope: 6 dB/oct
Connection: CE-comp. WBT gold binding posts
Recommended Placing: Free floor standing
Remarks: Tweeters:
28 mm soft dome
Magnetic fluid
40 mm aluminum-alloy front with high heat-dissipation integrated in baffle
Pure aluminum wire voice coil
Aluminum-alloy rear chamber with high heat-dissipation
Over-dimensioned Neodymium magnet rings

Midranges:
15 cm one-piece moulded MSP-cone
38 mm pure aluminum wire voice coil
Propietary hybrid magnetic circuit

Woofers:
17 cm, one-piece moulded MSP-cone
75 mm pure aluminum wire voice coil
Neodymium dual-magnet rings
Magnetic fluid

and then 2 somewhat cheap IP-24s in the back wall

Design Infinte Baffle In-Wall

Sensitivity (2.83 V/1 m):
90 dB

Power Handling:
150 watts

Impedance:
4 ohms (linear)

Frequency Response (+/- 3 dB):
40-23 kHz

Crossover:
Two-Way, audiophile-grade crossover with polypropylene capacitors, gold plated terminals, and an adjustable tweeter level control.

Tweeter:
28 mm Soft Dome Tweeter w/ damped rear chamber, dual centered magnet system with vented pole piece, Magnaflux damping and cooling fluid, aluminium wire voice coil, and aluminium front plate.

Woofer:


8.75� (222 mm) Woofer w/ geometrically optimized, MSP (magnesium silicate polymer) one-piece flat-membrane cone diaphragm, centered dual-stacked vented magnet system, 3 inch aluminium Hexacoil voice coil, and magnetic shielding.

Baffle:


14 mm-thick MDF (medium density fiberboard) baffle construction eliminatesresonance and coloration.

Frame:


Cast Aluminium for maximum rigidity and stability with efficient coupling to baffle. Corrosion-free, semi-white (RAL 9003, paintable).

Grille:


Aluminium Mesh with anti-resonant attachment to baffle/frame assembly. Corrosion-free, semi-white (RAL 9003, paintable).

Dimensions


Alum. Mounting Frame:
Height: 15.15� (385 mm)
Width: 11.25� (286 mm)

Cut Out:
Height: 13.82� (351 mm)
Width: 9.92� (252 mm)

Grille:
Height: 13.50� (343 mm)
Width: 9.60" (244 mm)

Min. Depth Required:
3.62� (92 mm)


Add some TAG McLaren AV-32r Dual Shark 5.1 bp and krells Master Reference Amplifier and some lacking extra power for the system and then perhaps - well that would beat the Orpheus for any movie thats for sure, but it would still lack the quality the Orpheus offers for a lone (or you can be a pair, as it AMP for HEV 90 have two O/P) music listener.

[Sol Invictus]

Bullshit. Just get a program like DFX for Winamp5 and you're set to play surround music the way you'd want it to be heard.

And play it really loud to hear the spectral effects you can only hear on a pair of headphones. The kind that give you a high just listening to it.

Seriously man, when you do it right, it beats the hell out of wearing a pair of headphones. It's just easier HPs because there's absolutely no configuration hassle to worry about but I can assure you that 5.1's, 6.1's and 7.1's seriously pay off if you've got the right locational set up and the software for it.

The nice thing about having speakers is that if they ever start to fuck up slightly you don't notice anything at all. Whereas with headphones, fucking up even a little bit will be the cause of much dissatisfaction. There's just no margin for error when it comes to listening to headphones.

[SuperH]

Man you people know more about this stuff than I do and I sell home audio equipment for a living. Then again, Circuit City doesn't quite specialize in the really nice stuff >_>

[evilmonkey]

Most music requires serious work with the subwoofer to get right - as most music files are not mixed with the subwoofer in mind

And besides you hear a difference with 20kHz against 25kHz, and you can still get a diffrent feel with higher settings.

the rest of the speakers do not give enough either - and in quality they are all lacking - I mean you lack any gold cables WTF.

Personally I would never stretch myself under 300 $ for the AMP alone, and then add a minium of 200 $ per speaker to get a decent system - simply put that 5.1 system you posted doesn't give shit compared with what you can get.

EDIT > and yes I'm simply listing some of the best stuff on the market, not caring about the price - so I would never get them, as I've never seen so much cash in my life - but I can dream, and do read about them.

EDIT 2 > and if you are listening to a headphone you can simply add the core of a rather cheap speaker placing it on your chair/sofa - and direct some of the power to it, giving you all the bounce you need - no need to always have a big whooping speaker throwing out sounds, wich in most rooms creates nasty resonans anyway.

[Jeff]

heh, seen those phones before... I'm no audio expert, but considering that most people can't hear frequencies below 20Hz and above about 22kHz (and for this reason any frequencies past them are often cut out to save headroom and to get a louder mixdown), don't you think it's kind of futile to buy ultra mega headphones with a freq response of 7Hz - 75 kHz?

then again, they come with a valve amp!

[evilmonkey]

true - there is lots of talk about not actually hearing sounds under 20Hz, or above 20-23 kHz, but going past those borders are not useless - as one can feel it still, not much though, but it gives some extra quality, thus the existance of the Orpheus.

...and besides I have a record that plays additonal layers over 22 kHz - not for humans though, but for dogs.

[Sol Invictus]

You can't feel it. It's like saying you can see above a refresh rate of 75 frames per second.

You can't. You're just imagining it so stuff your ideas where the sun doesn't shine. There's really no quality increase in having 75khz, except for the fact that your dog will probably enjoy it more than you do.

The reason most (good) speakers go up to 25-35khz at a max is for that so-called unheard performance boost you're referring to. Going up to 75khz is utterly pointless because samples aren't mixed that high in any case.