The Future of Ghouls?

Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:56 pm

I am not too certain on sterility issues.

Yes, I realize that Super Mutants are sterile but what about Ghouls?

Can they reproduce? I didn't see any Ghoul children in Fallout I/II/Tactics so can anyone clear this up for me?

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:03 am

In short, they don't have a future. All forms of human derived mutants are totally sterile. Anything that says otherwise anywhere in Fallout is wrong. Neither ghouls or super mutants can reproduce. They are, however, extremely long lived, which is why there are still mutants around when Fallout 2 comes around and in the noew purely hypothetical Fallout 3.

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:51 am

Yup, Supermutants are immune to disease, so that gives them a nice, long bonus to lifespan right there.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:43 am

Ghouls are sterile, plus I imagine most of their reproductive organs would have deteriorated anyway. Of course, since they're just the product of radioactive exposure over a long period of time, it's not like new ones won't be created by other means.

Blizzard · Post by **Blizzard** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:31 am

well whether or not they were sterile, I didnt see any ghoul women in FO2(if there were any i coulndt tell a diff.) and since they're proly too repulsive for REGULAR women to like them, they woulndt survive anyway

CloudNineGT · Post by **CloudNineGT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:45 am

Blizzard wrote:well whether or not they were sterile, I didnt see any ghoul women in FO2(if there were any i coulndt tell a diff.) and since they're proly too repulsive for REGULAR women to like them, they woulndt survive anyway

Cost me 703 caps to hook Lenny up with a woman at the cats paw. I guess the old guy can still preform, although he is definitely sterile.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:06 am

They could be cloned, since their mutant characteristics are purely genetic. Hah, baby super mutants, that would be a sight.

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:37 pm

Franz_Schubert wrote:They could be cloned, since their mutant characteristics are purely genetic. Hah, baby super mutants, that would be a sight.

You're assuming a lot. For example, you're assuming a supermutant's genetic code for what a child looks like and how it forms, develops, and grows still functions in a fairly flawless capacity.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:12 pm

I see no reason as to why that would be affected. After all, there's like a billion genes.

Fallout 3: Attack of the Mutant Clones

SeanDMan · Post by **SeanDMan** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:16 pm

Franz_Schubert wrote:They could be cloned, since their mutant characteristics are purely genetic.

Mutants, mayhaps. Ghouls no. As well, you're assuming that FEV could be cloned. As well, you're assuming cloning technology exists in Fallout. As well, you're assuming anyone will make any more Fallout games. As well, I like the dancing icon.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:35 am

Sean wrote:As well, you're assuming that FEV could be cloned.

FEV is not a disease. It causes actual genetic mutations, which is therafter imprinted in each cell in the subject's body. Thanks for your opinion, though.

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:17 pm

Franz_Schubert wrote:I see no reason as to why that would be affected. After all, there's like a billion genes.

Well, for one, they're immune to diseases like cancer. How that mechanism works is entirely up in the air. It could work by simply not allowing blank state cells to form or divide. If that's the case, then it's impossible for a fetus to develop.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:28 pm

No, if stem cells can't form, they would die almost immediately (full grown ghouls, that is).

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:32 pm

Of course you can clone a super mutant. The question is, is cloning canon or just stupid? I don't recall mention of it in any of the original Fallouts, and considering how much of a bad plot device cloning is, you think it would be in there. So I doubt it is canon.

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 2:06 am

Franz_Schubert wrote:No, if stem cells can't form, they would die almost immediately (full grown ghouls, that is).

Ghouls still have human DNA, though it may be "damaged" from the radiation. Supermutants are the FEV guys.

eyemaster7 · Post by **eyemaster7** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:43 am

In FOBOShit ghouls can have kids. In fallout tactics you see a mutant factory. There is a mad mutant who is creating mutants.

Calal · Post by **Calal** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:53 am

eyemaster7 wrote:In FOBOShit ghouls can have kids. In fallout tactics you see a mutant factory. There is a mad mutant who is creating mutants.

Well those two titles aren' t the best reference for a canon setting. And unless that mad mutant ain' t no Chucky or Herve Cain, but no one less than the Master than I can live on happily.

SeanDMan · Post by **SeanDMan** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:50 am

I realize FEV causes genetic changes, but you're assuming he product of said changes could mature properly, and wouldn't have issues with being cloned, and wouldn't need to be implanted into a fully grown human.

ghoulboy · Post by **ghoulboy** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:25 pm

Well let me say just this: supermutants are not sterile. in fallout 2 when you go with marcus to the cat's paw and get him laid you can ask him about it. He will say that it is not true (he's capable of reproducing). As for ghouls... how nows?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:02 pm

DaC needs re-education camps, I swear it.