stuff on cars.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:04 pm

Mercedes-Benz 250 CE.

You're beaten.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:05 pm

or how bout a 73 ford falcon with a 460?

gotta admit i do love old trans ams though.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:27 pm

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD wrote:or how bout a 73 ford falcon with a 460?

Well shit, sonny, it seems that you beat me in the cubic-inch war. Damn.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD wrote:gotta admit i do love old trans ams though.

Yeah, they are nice. I have a neighbor who has a '66 Hertz Shelby GT350. That's nice too. Here's a photo:

Nice, huh?

The Shrike · Post by **The Shrike** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:59 pm

The '66 GT 350H kicks major ass although it only has the C-4 automatic transmission instead of a fourspeed toploader (manual). The 9" rearend kicks ass on those things though. I do love old mustangs I have a '65 mustang 289 V-8 as a matter of fact. It has good power and is fun to drive. The 1st Gen. Camaros kick ass as do the 1st gen. firebirds.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:49 am

Hah, nice license plate on the Hertz.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:37 pm

The Shrike wrote:The '66 GT 350H kicks major ass although it only has the C-4 automatic transmission instead of a fourspeed toploader (manual)

I think the first 25 or 50 to come off Shelby's assembly line came with the manual transmission, but they were probably destroyed a long time ago.

Franz_Schubert wrote:Hah, nice license plate on the Hertz.

You know, I hadn't noticed that. Very cool. It'll give you the Hurtz after you race it. Heh.

EDIT:

This is slightly off topic, but what the hell. I was looking on Ford's website, and their new Mach 1 is badass. Mmm. I want one!

Very cool. But about 30 grand, I can't afford one! *sighs*

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:31 pm

new fords look alright. those 80s mustangs look like shit. and there are 60 million of the little bastards. most of them dont even have v8s.

66s coming with automatics sounds a little off to me. something with a 350, i would assume, would come with a standard because the horse would own an old automatic. plus the horsepower drop might be a factor too.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:32 pm

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD wrote:new fords look alright. those 80s mustangs look like shit. and there are 60 million of the little bastards. most of them dont even have v8s.

The old '80s mustangs do look like shit, and most came with the 2.3L straight-4 or the 3.somethingL V6 engine, but there's something that 1985 and earlier "Stang's have that later ones do not: carburetion. Now don't get me wrong, EFI is great, but it is complex as hell, especially for a guy who wants to tinker with his car. I would prefer to play with a carbureted engine rather then an EFI-based one. There's no screwing around with an onboard computer to maximise horsepower and torque output.

Most of the gearheads at my school say the same thing. There's this one guy who has a mid to late 80s chevy, and it came with a fuel-injected V6. He couldn't figure out how the fuel system worked, so he put a carbureted 305 in it. He now gets more power with the insurance of a V6-powered car.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD wrote:66s coming with automatics sounds a little off to me. something with a 350, i would assume, would come with a standard because the horse would own an old automatic. plus the horsepower drop might be a factor too.

Well, it is a rental car. Mr. Hertz and company would rather you not take their car to NASCAR or other racing venues. With an automatic, the vehicles needed less maintance and wouldn't have been beaten as severly as would a manual-transmission vehicle.

The GT-350H Hertz rentals came with a high-revving 289 ci engine. It put out 306 horsepower and above 300 ft-lbs of torque. It was a nasty powerplant in its day, and Ford is using a similar technique for the 4.6L V8 engines used today.
The number "350" didn't refer to the ci displacement of the engine, it was probably just a gimmick meant to help market and sell the car. Besides, the 350 is a Chevy engine, and why would you put a GM engine in a Ford car?

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:02 am

MurPHy wrote: The number "350" didn't refer to the ci displacement of the engine, it was probably just a gimmick meant to help market and sell the car. Besides, the 350 is a Chevy engine, and why would you put a GM engine in a Ford car?

dont knock it till you tried it. my buddy stuck a 429 cobra jet into a chevy truck...

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:09 am

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD wrote:dont knock it till you tried it. my buddy stuck a 429 cobra jet into a chevy truck...

BWAHAHA! That thing must do low 13s in the quarter-mile! Very cool! Did he put a "Powered by Ford" logo next to one of the chevy symbols? That would piss off any GM diehard. Heh.

EDIT: Oh yeah. Mad Max! Badass!

That's what I want to do to MY Mustang! Bolt a supercharger on top of the 302 along with that big-ass air scoop! Badass!

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:25 am

i think id prefer a 351 with dual turbos and a tank of nos but hell, to each his own.

The Shrike · Post by **The Shrike** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:16 pm

Well, it is a rental car. Mr. Hertz and company would rather you not take their car to NASCAR or other racing venues. With an automatic, the vehicles needed less maintance and wouldn't have been beaten as severly as would a manual-transmission vehicle.

The GT-350H Hertz rentals came with a high-revving 289 ci engine. It put out 306 horsepower and above 300 ft-lbs of torque. It was a nasty powerplant in its day, and Ford is using a similar technique for the 4.6L V8 engines used today.
The number "350" didn't refer to the ci displacement of the engine, it was probably just a gimmick meant to help market and sell the car. Besides, the 350 is a Chevy engine, and why would you put a GM engine in a Ford car?

That is about right. Another interesting thing that I heard about was that people would rent one of the GT 350H's and then do an 'unofficial' Engine swap with their regular 289's. weather that is true or not is another story.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:40 pm

The Shrike wrote:That is about right. Another interesting thing that I heard about was that people would rent one of the GT 350H's and then do an 'unofficial' Engine swap with their regular 289's. weather that is true or not is another story.

I heard that "engine swap" story too. They were talking about it on the History Channel one day, so I guess that it did happen. Hertz must have been really pissed. You get the car back, you open the hood to do some routine maintence on it, and you find a completely different engine there! Must have been qute a shock for the mechanics.

Dark_Machine · Post by **Dark_Machine** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:30 pm

Now that gentlemen, is a car. The 04 WRX STi's come off the line with 300hp at 300 ft lb torque and will do 0 - 60 in about 5 flat. That's stock, completely untouched except by the Subaru engineers. Imagine what you could get out of it by staging up the turbo and playing around under the hood.

Just look at that cockpit man. Looks like sex without all the hassle.

Not that I don't love and respect and adore the old musclecars, but the new blood is my passion. I guess that makes me a semi-ricer. Or it would if I didn't hate Honda Civics with the fiery passion of a thousand burning suns.[/img]

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:36 pm

imports suck. every shit stick who thinks hes wigger l33t and ub3r haxx0r hardcore drives a fucking import.

Dark_Machine · Post by **Dark_Machine** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:13 pm

That doesn't lessen the spirit of the cars themselves. That's just like saying a particular type of music or art or movie sucks because the people who enjoy it are assholes, generally.

Edit:

Besides, I didn't say I drove one, I just said I liked them. I happen to drive a 97 Cougar Special Anniversary Edition with a 'Stang 5.0 V8 in it. ABout as domestic as you can get. Like I said, I have love for both import and domestic. I just happen to drool after WRX STi's more than is healthy.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:30 pm

Okay, this will probably be a big-ass post, but here goes.

Dark_Machine wrote:Now that gentlemen, is a car. The 04 WRX STi's come off the line with 300hp at 300 ft lb torque and will do 0 - 60 in about 5 flat. That's stock, completely untouched except by the Subaru engineers. Imagine what you could get out of it by staging up the turbo and playing around under the hood.

Stock, you say? That's all well and good, but those "stock" performance figures are probably near the upper limit of of what that teeny-weeny V6 (or mayber V4?) can do. Sure, you could raise the boost of the turbo, to say, 15-20 psi, and add a nitrous oxide system to add to temporary power output, but why bother? Truth be told, you can get those very same figures from a big V8 engine, and that's WITHOUT a turbocharger. You can easily get more out of an American V8. Cheaper, too, and there is no "turbo lag" to worry about when you are drag racing.

As for stock cars, yes, modern Jap rice burners do have more power from the factory than similar American manufacturers, but there is a reason for that.

American car manufacturers have been using relatively mild powerplants for their performance vehicles for a good while now. Why? Ask them. Not me. I cannot even begin to fathom why Ford doesn't take their new 2004 Mustang Mach 1 and put a stroked, high revving 351 ci Windsor engine in it. But I know that they can. And I know that I can too, with enough know-how, time, and money. So I'm not worried. Ford has, on average, been selling over 100,000 Mustangs every year since the mid-to-late '90s. With production numbers like that, there is no real need to make them faster. The market demand simply isn't there. Or so it seems.

Also, the fact that mostly swell guy, wiggers, latinos, and other minority groups drive such cars and help to make them popular, I will never own such a "hyped" vehicle, nor will I ever have any interest in them. Is that being racist? Well, yes, it is. But as a member of The Man's (tm) sect of peoples (ie white) I try to do things the "White way". Otherwise known as the right way. (joke intended)

Personally, if you like such vehicles, fine and good. I won't stop you. That is part of being American, respecting (and sometime's tolerating) other people's likes and beliefs is a constant thing. Go out there and have fun.

Mr. Mandalorian wrote:imports suck. every shit stick who thinks hes wigger l33t and ub3r haxx0r hardcore drives a fucking import.

I agree.

Dark_machine wrote:That doesn't lessen the spirit of the cars themselves. That's just like saying a particular type of music or art or movie sucks because the people who enjoy it are assholes, generally.

Edit:

Besides, I didn't say I drove one, I just said I liked them. I happen to drive a 97 Cougar Special Anniversary Edition with a 'Stang 5.0 V8 in it. ABout as domestic as you can get. Like I said, I have love for both import and domestic. I just happen to drool after WRX STi's more than is healthy.

As for you first part, I agree with it. However, most people like to do things that other similar like-minded people do. You won't find all that many white boys driving a brand new Cadillac, now will you?

Ah, you show your true colors. Words are cheap, but actions run deep. I congratulate you on your ownership of a truly American car. Do you have good, performance mufflers on the Courgar? You know, like flowmasters? The kind that make the 302 growl? Man, I love that sound. I have similar type mufflers on my "Stang, and that V8 growls when I hit the gas. Mmm. Now there's a warm, fuzzy feeling. Come to think of it, I might just go and start her up just to hear that sound for a little while.

Grey Fil · Post by **Grey Fil** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:35 am

So, its good because its from Amerika. Its not AMerika made its not good. Silly chauvinists.

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:22 am

The only good car is a foreign car (to those of us in America). The Japs and Krauts make 'em a lot better. To my taste, there hasn't been that many good cars made in America since the 70's. However, if you go back that far, 50's-70's, America reigns supreme.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:58 pm

jetbaby wrote:The only good car is a foreign car (to those of us in America). The Japs and Krauts make 'em a lot better. To my taste, there hasn't been that many good cars made in America since the 70's. However, if you go back that far, 50's-70's, America reigns supreme.

they dont make them better. they make them so they sell cheaper and cost shitloads to fix. and they are ugly.