Revolution In Iran?

KrokGloken · Post by **KrokGloken** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:13 am

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1424

Will it just be subdued or will it continue?

Turan · Post by **Turan** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:34 am

Yes, eventually. Hopefully we will send troops. I'd like to see Osama get on our backs about that. Hell, he'd probably be dancing.

Grey Fil · Post by **Grey Fil** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:36 am

There as been a struggle between moderates and hardliners for some time now. The scam that where the elections and the general suckiness of the strict islamism that the hardliners enforce has put a large part of the population on the side of the moderates. I think it may weaken the hardliners position but it will not generate a generalized revolution yet. And then again you never know.

iohkus · Post by **iohkus** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:53 am

Revolution in Iran has been brewing for a long time, outside help should be contained strictly to political and diplomatic pressure.

The worst possible scenerio is the US trying to take advantage of the reformist revolution in that country for its own means.

Grey Fil · Post by **Grey Fil** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:07 pm

It would probably unite everybody around the hardliners.

Walks with the Snails · Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:53 pm

Yeah, people are stupid like that.

Turan · Post by **Turan** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:05 pm

Grey Fil wrote:It would probably unite everybody around the hardliners.

No, it would not. Iranians are alot more intellegent then Arabs, as they are not the ones who have not had self rule sense the Ayyubids. I think that, if anything, every nation in the area would be willing to help. The Pakistanis because thier Baluchi cousins are hated, and Pakistan is a secular Sunni state, the Azeri because the Azeri/Turkmen population of Iran is about 26%, the Turks because they are the antipathy of everything Iran stands for, the Syrians because the Arabs hate the Iranians.

Also, Iranians tend to be better eductated, speak more languages and generally like America more then any nation outside of Poland. This is not Iraq, we have never betrayed the Iranians.

I'd personally have invaded Iran before Iraq- less retaliation from the Arab street as they hate the Iranians as much, maybe more then they hate us, a population screaming for secular democracy as well as being extremely well educated. In other words, everything Iraq is not.

KrokGloken · Post by **KrokGloken** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:28 pm

If the Iranian people were well armed, revolution would be easy.

About seventy-five percent of the population is under twenty-five. Most of those are angry, beaten students wanting some payback.

Turan · Post by **Turan** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:37 am

KrokGloken wrote:If the Iranian people were well armed, revolution would be easy.

About seventy-five percent of the population is under twenty-five. Most of those are angry, beaten students wanting some payback.

Well armed means nothing outside of Africa or South East asia (unless it started in one of the larger cities, like Tehran itself or Ishfahan). For every thousand Kalishnikovs or M-4s these guys have, the Ayattholas will have enough WMD, airpower and artillery to silence them and thier city. Best I can hope for is an Attaturk like Army-based yet Democratic revolution.

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:11 am

Seriously you guys... the middle east sucks. They are always fighting for some shit. I am Achmed you stole my cupcake! JIHAD!

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:20 am

FREE KURDISTAN

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:24 am

The Middle East needs to be nuked. It's the shit hole of the world.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:04 am

InvisibleMonkey wrote:The Middle East needs to be nuked. It's the shit hole of the world.

i agree. the whole of middle east, including everything surrounding, should put made into a nuclear wasteland so we can throw our garbage there.

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:35 am

What about the precious juice?

iohkus · Post by **iohkus** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:15 am

Turan wrote: This is not Iraq, we have never betrayed the Iranians.

hahahhahahhaha....... hahahhaha......... oh man...... lol... you funny man.

*cough* Mossadeq 1954 *cough*

If the US and UK hadn't toppled Iran's first democratically elected gov't (Mossadeq in 1954) right now you would have a democratic and NON theocratic gov't right in the heart of the middle east as a sort of stable prosperous oasis that would have most likely been a role model to the other surrounding nations. It can be argued that if the US didn't fuck everything up before they could have easily avoided all the acts of terror that's followed since.

oh and here's a good read for the ignorant and uninformed among you:

http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mi ... index.html

Turan · Post by **Turan** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:19 am

Spazmo wrote:FREE KURDISTAN

I agree here. Though I still hold that Armenia should have Wilsonian (ie Kars, Trapeson & the bunch) borders.

Main question is on the borders, though, obviously, as Kurdistan is right smack dab in the middle of Turks, Iranians, Azeris and Arabs on all sides.

And it has calmed down substantially, anyway. Hell, Erdorgan just set up the first Kurdish Language school in the country. Hell, before you know it it will be legal to call them Kurds and not Mountain Turks. Damned thats a fucked up country.

*cough* Mossadeq 1954 *cough*

A) Debateable, as American foreign policy was to install self consciously Nazi regiems to stop the commies (and, weirldy, it worked)

No one remembers it, no one in Iran blames America for that.

Considering that among the most pro-American people I have ever known are Zoroastrian Iranians and Azeri Iranians, I am inclined to say that Iran would have been substantially more succesful then Iraq, and they actually have WMD.

Inin · Post by **Inin** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:48 am

FREE MYCROTCHISTAN!!!!

-Inin

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:30 am

The Middle East needs to be nuked. It's the shit hole of the world.

Except for the whole oil part and how our entire technological existence is based off of oil.

Sure, they may be stupid fucking towel heads, but we really love to harvest dead dinosaurs from beneath their crusty, calloused feet.

I'm not too concerned with a revolution in Iran seeing as how the
"revolutionaries" will more than likely install a government with backwards Islamic principles. Fuck Islam.

If we're going to nuke the Middle East we might as well nuke everything else.

iohkus · Post by **iohkus** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:33 pm

Turan wrote:
*cough* Mossadeq 1954 *cough*
A) Debateable, as American foreign policy was to install self consciously Nazi regiems to stop the commies (and, weirldy, it worked)
No one remembers it, no one in Iran blames America for that.

A) Yes, it worked so well that you're now fighting several different wars and on occassion get several buildings blown the fuck up.

You're wrong. Mossadeq to Iran is the equivalent of Che to Cuba or what JFK was to America.

Every self-respecting educated Persian knows him and what he tried to do.

And Dingo you fucking tool, Iran has had a backwards Islamic government since 1979. If it weren't for the US' coup Iran's gov't would have still been a secular one up until today, sorta like Turkey except more prosperous and overall better?

And Islam shouldn't be singled out, all religions blow equally hard.