WTF? Starship Troopers 2

CloudNineGT · Post by **CloudNineGT** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:08 am

<i>the film will feature is a lot of action and a very surprising human drama. The reason for this is that the bugs have a parastic infection in their arsenal, and troopers who become infected start to loose control and decay from the inside.</i>
http://www.countingdown.com/movies/2746243
http://www.energo-system.com/ne/base.html

Yay, destined to be mediocre! I saw a trailer two days ago, and the whole thing looked horrible, featuring the lines "The Bugs are back, BUT THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT!!!111" I suppose this confirms my thinking that indeed a sequel is different from the original, though I would enjoy a re-release of the movie instead of this. The book was inspiring, the movie was good action, and the sequel... was trying to make money. I'm so excited.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:09 am

CloudNineGT wrote:<i>the film will feature is a lot of action and a very surprising human drama. The reason for this is that the bugs have a parastic infection in their arsenal, and troopers who become infected start to loose control and decay from the inside.</i>
http://www.countingdown.com/movies/2746243

Yay, destined to be mediocre! I saw a trailer two days ago, and the whole thing looked horrible, featuring the lines "The Bugs are back, BUT THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT!!!111" I suppose this confirms my thinking that indeed a sequel is different from the original, though I would enjoy a re-release of the movie instead of this. The book was inspiring, the movie was good action, and the sequel... was trying to make money. I'm so excited.

oh god no, dont sodomize heinlein's story more than it already has been.

CloudNineGT · Post by **CloudNineGT** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:27 am

My feelings exactly.
And I swear to god a 14 year old made their website.
<a href="http://www.energo-system.com/ne/base.html"><img src="http://www.energo-system.com/ne/ani.gif"></a>
When they captured the brain
The troopers controlled the battlefield
But it was the only beginning
The bugs are back
and this time its different
Starship Troopers 2, crawling soon!

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:59 am

I loved the original for its insanely hilarious action, but it had NO connection whatsoever to that masterpiece of a book, save the title. Kind of like that rape of Lord of the Rings by Jackson.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:12 am

jetbaby wrote:I loved the original for its insanely hilarious action, but it had NO connection whatsoever to that masterpiece of a book, save the title. Kind of like that rape of Lord of the Rings by Jackson.

kind of but not really?
atleast lord of the rings had remotely the same plot. the starship troopers movie compared to the book is like comparing dogshit to (insert anything remotely good here).

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:17 am

I think that Starship Troopers, in movie form was good in that it was an insanely hilarious violent kill-spree not meant to reproduce the book in any way but the bug versus human conflict. I have so many issues with Jackson's bastardization of Tolkiens plot I lost count, and he is the one that claimed he took as few liberties as possible, and stuck as close as possible to Tolkiens works.

Mr Carrot · Post by **Mr Carrot** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:57 am

This is INVASHIONZ OF TEH BODY SNATCHERZ!!!!1!!

but in space. hackneyed, might be worth a look if only for the normal bugs scene at the start.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:16 am

jetbaby wrote:he is the one that claimed he took as few liberties as possible, and stuck as close as possible to Tolkiens works.

That's rather odd. I recall an interview or something where he indicated that this was his vision of Rings, and not intended to be the exact realization of Tolkein's work.

I think it's actually kind of unrealistic to expect the movies be exactly the same as the books. You're talking about taking an existing work and reinterpreting it in a completely different medium, with different people in control, in a different time. Many of those differences are going to be intentional, and others will be unintentional products of these people and these times. At least with Rings I felt that a lot of the most important elements did come through close to how Tolkein had written them.

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:28 am

I never said it had to be completely true to the story, but he changed things that just made the story ridiculous and unfeasable, as well as completely altering events for no apperant reason. I feel that he was able to capture the WORLD, but not the people that inhabit that world. The settings and costumes and everything like that were completely beautiful, but he completely twisted and altered the characters and the story they told. Things like how he insisted that Sauron was merely a disembodied eye with no body whatsoever in a few interviews, though Tolkien clearly states that Sauron does have a body and sits on his throne in Mordor, sans one finger. Things like **SPOILERS for those of you who still haven't read this book or seen the movies** completely destroying the nation of Men. They were all either assholes or morons. Things like Denethor's unreasoned insanity and ridiculous actions and forcing of a suicide ride of a few dozen horses into Osgiliath. Things like how Treebeard and his Entmoot turn down the thought of war, but with a mere roar he overturns that decision and all of the Ents and Huorns magically teleport into the treeline around him. Things like how Frodo's giant secretive mission was completely destroyed when Faramir, made into yet another greedy, greedy being, from the shining beacon of hope for Men displayed in the books, drags Frodo to Osgiliath where he stands infront of a Nazgul, clearly displaying the ring for Sauron to see, utterly shattering any semblence of secrecy for his mission, yet the plot continues without a hitch.

Insane-Lark · Post by **Insane-Lark** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:56 pm

There were no Suits, no philosophy & little diredtion in the first flick, now we are expected to watch this? I think not. I'll Keep enjoying the RAH on my bookshelf instead.

Good luck & much pity upon those unwise or unfortunate enough to brave this degrading movie experience. I plan to trying to forget abot it entirely, much like FoBOS.

LlamaGod · Post by **LlamaGod** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:16 pm

jetbaby wrote:I never said it had to be completely true to the story, but he changed things that just made the story ridiculous and unfeasable, as well as completely altering events for no apperant reason. I feel that he was able to capture the WORLD, but not the people that inhabit that world. The settings and costumes and everything like that were completely beautiful, but he completely twisted and altered the characters and the story they told. Things like how he insisted that Sauron was merely a disembodied eye with no body whatsoever in a few interviews, though Tolkien clearly states that Sauron does have a body and sits on his throne in Mordor, sans one finger. Things like **SPOILERS for those of you who still haven't read this book or seen the movies** completely destroying the nation of Men. They were all either assholes or morons. Things like Denethor's unreasoned insanity and ridiculous actions and forcing of a suicide ride of a few dozen horses into Osgiliath. Things like how Treebeard and his Entmoot turn down the thought of war, but with a mere roar he overturns that decision and all of the Ents and Huorns magically teleport into the treeline around him. Things like how Frodo's giant secretive mission was completely destroyed when Faramir, made into yet another greedy, greedy being, from the shining beacon of hope for Men displayed in the books, drags Frodo to Osgiliath where he stands infront of a Nazgul, clearly displaying the ring for Sauron to see, utterly shattering any semblence of secrecy for his mission, yet the plot continues without a hitch.

Dont forget all that shit with Arwen he added in.

FUN FACT: She says one sentence in the whole book series.

Bleusilences · Post by **Bleusilences** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:15 pm

Don't forget that book to film always change. You cannot really put a whole book and even less a series into movies, the fact that they put the whole lord of the ring with so little mistake is hard enough to put. The biggest thing about movies vs book it's the vision of the filmaker of the book, not yours.

happy11 · Post by **happy11** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:41 pm

I dunno, Starship troopers was a good actoin flick only because of cool guns and stupid people dying, however it was a rape to the original book but still a good actoin flick, and thats all it was meant to be.

Mad Max RW · Post by **Mad Max RW** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:59 pm

Isn't the sequel a straight to video type of deal?

And Lord of the Rings sucked for much better reasons.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:06 am

jetbaby wrote:Things like Denethor's unreasoned insanity and ridiculous actions and forcing of a suicide ride of a few dozen horses into Osgiliath.

Denethor was insane in the book.

As for the suicide ride, that increased sympathy for Faramir's character and showed the relationship between Faramir, Boromir and Denethor.

Things like how Treebeard and his Entmoot turn down the thought of war, but with a mere roar he overturns that decision and all of the Ents and Huorns magically teleport into the treeline around him.

That reinforced the idea that the Hobbits were pebbles starting an avalanche.

Things like how Frodo's giant secretive mission was completely destroyed when drags Frodo to Osgiliath where he stands infront of a Nazgul, clearly displaying the ring for Sauron to see, utterly shattering any semblence of secrecy for his mission, yet the plot continues without a hitch.

What's secret about it? Sauron new from the beginning that the ring was in possession of a Hobbit. This would actually reinforce his fears that the men of Gondor would use the ring in battle against him. Why else would it be in Osgiliath?

Faramir, made into yet another greedy, greedy being, from the shining beacon of hope for Men displayed in the books,

One of the dominant themes in both of these movies up to this point had been the temptation of the ring. The audience watching the movie at this point doesn't really know anything about Faramir, so why should this man be different? His initial temptation allows him to go on a sort of journey of his own which allows the audience to understand more about him without diminishing the effect of the ring.

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:42 am

Doyle wrote:Denethor was insane in the book.

Actually not. He was fully sand and logical in all of his decisions until he looked into the palantir.

As for the suicide ride, that increased sympathy for Faramir's character and showed the relationship between Faramir, Boromir and Denethor.

It just made me laugh histerically at the stupidity of the scene.

That reinforced the idea that the Hobbits were pebbles starting an avalanche.

Did you even read the part about how I said it made no sense? Magically teleporting ents show up out of nowhere and Fangorn overturning the Entmoot's decision in a roar?

What's secret about it? Sauron new from the beginning that the ring was in possession of a Hobbit. This would actually reinforce his fears that the men of Gondor would use the ring in battle against him. Why else would it be in Osgiliath?

Sauron has no fear over men using the ring against him. It is not a tool that can be used by any but the few with the power to use it (the Istari, perhaps a few Elves, and Sauron himself). Men, just like all others, would simply become corrupt.

One of the dominant themes in both of these movies up to this point had been the temptation of the ring. The audience watching the movie at this point doesn't really know anything about Faramir, so why should this man be different? His initial temptation allows him to go on a sort of journey of his own which allows the audience to understand more about him without diminishing the effect of the ring.
Because half of the story is the salvation and rise of Man into a place of power over middle earth. If every single one of them is a greedy, self-serviant piece of shit, what is there to save? Faramir was the light in the darkness that showed that not all Men were after the ring for control, that some saw the greater scheme of things and how things must be. I would've been happy if Minas Tirith had burned to the ground in the movie and every last one of them died and the Uruks scoured Middle Earth and devoured all that stood in their way. Would've made for a better movie too.

swordinstone · Post by **swordinstone** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:45 am

Starship Troopers 2: not suprising, hope it sucks, cos i wont pay to watch it.

LOTR: I am a big fan of the books, have read them several times. I am generally a purist to original works of art. Yes, LOTR movies had some changes, but none really interfered with the story overall...

Part of the problem, might be that you aren't watching the extended editions. My friends who have not read the books find it easier to follow the story with the added scenes. There are still scenes and details i did not see, but they are things I was specifically looking for. The books have a somewhat awkward pace, especially when your trying to fit into 10 hours of screen time. I think, having read the books, the added scenes pay homage to the books, and help the pace of the story.

Its completely impossible to expect them to make a video version of the books, and if they did, it would complete suck as entertainment.

I think you guys are just looking for a reason to not like it. I was completely satisfied with them as far as movies go. So much so, that its hard for me to comprehend someone who is a fan of the books and not the movies. The setting, the mood, the characters, the details were all insanely good! how can you say it completely sucks for nit-picky details?!

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:57 am

Jesus christ.

jetbaby wrote:I never said it had to be completely true to the story, but he changed things that just made the story ridiculous and unfeasable, as well as completely altering events for no apperant reason.

....

I feel that he was able to capture the WORLD, but not the people that inhabit that world. The settings and costumes and everything like that were completely beautiful, but he completely twisted and altered the characters and the story they told.

I enjoyed seeing the world, just not the story as Jackson told it. I am not looking for a reason to dislike them, I simply don't like the story as told by Jackson.

avenger69ie · Post by **avenger69ie** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:16 am

i was offered the pirate dvd last week in work, i think i may just have to blow 7 euro on it this week if its still around and the pirate guy hasnt been nicked.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:21 am

swordinstone wrote:The books have a somewhat awkward pace, especially when your trying to fit into 10 hours of screen time

Indeed, in the books they don't leave Tom Bombadill (who was completely excluded from the films, I suppose it's because he's a hippie) until page 145, which is roughly 1/10 of the book. (LOTR one volume edition).

And as far as arwen goes, putting her in the films was just a stupid excuse for having a romance in the movies. (I mean c'mmon, it's LOTR not bloody fuck me gently while playing romantic music and sucking my tits.)
As said earlier ehat is really great with the LOTR movies is the scenery and the costumes, this mixed with the music makes some really mindblowing scenes. Usually when they're walking and the camera zooms out showing the beautiful landscape.

What was most bothersome with the movies though was makeing Gimli into some Jarjar-Binksish character. And, I got really annoyed when Legolas started "Snowboarding" on that bloody shield as well as when he too a ride on that bloody oliphant snout.

For starrshipstroopers I must say the movie was fun in a not needing to think much kinnda way, I havent had a chance to read the book yet, though it is on my to do list. And, haveing done that I'll probably start to loathe the film.
The sequel'll prolly be crappy and rather unwatchable.

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