Aliens versus Predator - Spoilers

[Janus Matchell]

The it was horrible but it wasn't great response from people I know has been the common response. They liked the fact it wasn't too much of a pussy film for little swell guy and squemish people. However it didn't have any serious money shots(not as much chest burster gore nor predators decapitating people ) because of the PG-13 which they can't show quite as much death or destruction unless it's historic (Pearl Harbor comes to mind.) or somehow manages to bs it's way past the MPAA (like that will ever happen.). Actually it was like watching softcore porn alot of disappoint.

[CloudNineGT]

Putting together JvFvA will be tricky, after all each character is independently owned. If it happens its a godsend, some sort of ten year old wet dream of mine would actually come true.

[Janus Matchell]

I reckon that J v F vA will be but look at it this way it might happen sooner than you think. There will be a fuck-ton in royalties and fees when they get around to making it so lets hope that won't detract from the quality of the movie for I see that it will be a show badass force especially when Ash (Bruce Campbell) get's some well deserved screen time aside from shows that are on network television and appearences in the Spider Man movies.

[American Tourister]

I saw it yesterday. Tend to agree with WW, it wasn't great, but not that bad either. The humans died too fast and early, the escape from your basic nuclear explosion was a "bit" hard to believe, and the "surprises" at the end were SO predictable.

Still it was relatively entertaining. Especially compared to total crap like Riddick...

[jetbaby]

They're talking about having Ash from the Evil Dead movies in FvJ2, so that might be totally awesome

I'm too lazy to read the rest of this thread because I'm fucking tired, but in response to this, that was rumor and conjecture, if you actually go to brucecampbell's website, it says that he has no plans of doing any such thing. Sorry. It'd be good, I agree, to see the fight, but no. Not happening.

[Janus Matchell]

Hey I know you guys are creaming yourselves over J v F v A but hey it would be great if you could please keep it on topic. So without further ado start posting.

[Franz Schubert]

I actually thought AvP was pretty good... in a Resident Evil sort of way. I'm a fan of Anderson's directing, and this is basically a perfect representation of his work. I guess you either like it or you don't?

[Wolfman Walt]

Back off topic for a moment. Looking at the Bruce Campbell website (as someone mentioned) the FvJvA isn't gonna happen most likely......but while not starring Bruce, apperantly "Evil Dead the Musical" is quite good? Sadly, it's only in Canada. Damn Canucks.

[Guest]

WTF?? :confused2:

[jetbaby]

Sadly the musical is no longer in production. I think it would've been worth a visit. As for being good in a "Resident Evil" sort of way... that makes me just want to save my seven bucks and SEE Resident Evil. It comes out on what... the tenth of September? I forget. Saw the trailer when I saw Manchurian Cantidate (which kinda really sucked). However, I'll see AvP anyways, more likely than not, just because I'm an idiot and try to remain true to what I grew up on. Sadly we get screwed in those aspects, don't we? What, with Interplay shtting inwards and upwards and projectile vomitting all over everyone Herve can reach. Back "on topic" as you so pointlessly demand (have you ever read this forum? Appeantly not), I have hopes for AvP. Not to be good, just not to be horrible. Even if it is, Sky Captain is almost out and that will be even worse, finally shattering my obsession with fourties and fifties sci-fi and the like because they didn't bother to make a set. Yet, I will see it anyways and hope for the worst because that way if it's good, I'll be surprised. I'm fucking tired if you can't tell by how this post went.. Good night, Duck and Cover. CX. Why .cx. Oh why, why, why?

[Franz Schubert]

Manchurian sucked? What were you on when you saw it, jetbaby? Because I was sober and it ruled. Best damn movie I've seen in a long time, in fact. I liked the whole feel of the movie, it was tense and fairly dark. The plot was decent, and the acting was great.

For the record, Sky Captian forecast: high probability of suck.

[Lunchmeat]

I thought the Manchurian Candidate was predictable, but I liked it well enough anyway.

[King of Creation]

my rant:

Ok..I'll identify the main thing that was wrong with Alien Vs. Predator:

Paul W.S. Anderson

This man is a horrific director. Really. Terrible.
Event Horizon was neat. MK, ok. Everything else=PUKE

The man CANNOT direct anything character driven. And in this case, the Predators and Aliens were characters.

On to other things:

The PG-13 rating killed the movie. In a bad way.

The movie developed WAY too quickly. One minute, we're in freaking Mexico, the next we've already got a crack team assembled and we're in Antarctica.

The stupid annoying scottish guy. That guy was there to provide something of a comic relief as the skinny lanky guy with the funny dumbed up accent that everyone can find comfort in, and the script was written in such a way as to exploit his accent....I'll tell you first off that I freaking HATE the idea of comic relief. I don't want no comic relief. I want intensity and suspense. Also, I don't like stupid accents, especially when they are faked or sound faked. This guy had a real accent, but because of the script, he sounded so damn stupid it sounded fake. Same thing with the Italian guy. Arnold had an Austrian accent in Predator, but he didn't sound like a blithering idiot, so it was cool.

The freaking idiotic idea of that stupid woman as the "Team leader" who somehow is the only one who ends up surviving. BS. You can't replace Sigourney Weaver with some stupid, small, terrible actress. Really, this woman is horrific. She's a freaking like mountain guide. How does this qualify her to lead an obviously combat trained team?

There were absolutely no awesome, gigantically jacked guys in this movie. There were no manly men. There was that one guy with the scar, but he sucked and got killed wicked quickly. He fell and broke his leg, for chrissake, only after getting all emotional and wishywashy about his son back home (a scene which he acted poorly, I might add, further detrimented by the fact that the irish ass was the only other person in the scene.) I wanted to see huge awesome guys. I would have rather seen Vin Diesel as the main character. That's how bad the casting was.

Only good casting: Lance Henrikson as Weyland. Too bad Anderson screwed up the whole Alien storyline by killing Weyland off before Weyland could send information back to his company, or even tell anyone about the Aliens. Are we left to believe that the Weyland corporation has an interest in Aliens because the stupid ass sissy black girl talks? Not a chance. Her character was written so badly that there's no way she would be the kind of character to say anything to a corporation. She's one of those nature chicks.

Can we also talk about how cheaply the Predators were killed off? The only good predator death was the last one. The other predator deaths should not have happened. That was a writing screwup. Bad writers and director=bad movie.

Action sequences were good (except for the basically non-action sequences where the first two predators were killed). The queen sequence was cool, but could definitely have been longer. In fact, the whole movie could have been longer. Given more time to develop the plot, this could have been a good movie (actually, it would need three more things: different cast, different director, differenct writers.) Special effects were also good (I attribute the predator vision resolution to just the technology of today. The only reason the heat vision was blocky in Predator was because that was the "cutting edge" back then. AVP the game has good resolution too in terms of pred-vision.

I'm just glad there wasn't a heavy metal soundtrack during the film (unless there was something and I was too pissed to notice it.) Speaking of which, they didn't even use any of the awesome music from Predator, which I would have loved.

Ok, so bottom line: Given the budget and other such things, I could have made a better movie myself. I could have put together a better cast by randomly pointing people out of a crowd. I could have written a better script in the middle of my Calc II class. And I definitely could have directed a better movie. So petition to have AVP2 directed and produced by Me.

[Janus Matchell]

Man alive King of Creation good job flaming AvP. I think perhaps you nuked it and all that's left is Paul W.S. Anderson's boots. I saw all the stuff that you pointed out and I must admit you are being a tad bit too critical. Yes the people got killed off way to quickly they were supposed especially to the Aliens who need people for their race to continue. The Predators killed people because they were on their hunting grounds (just like when you enter government property without authorization) also they took their plasma casters away and that was their gift for passing the test to adulthood(remember those predator were still not men as they did not have all the weapons the other predators did in the other 2 movies.).

As for Paul Anderson's directing it was ok it seemed like he was trying to do too many things at once also he is used to making movies that don't last too terribly long like Soldier or Resident Evil. He should have been more mindful of the fact that most of the Aliens movie are either 2 hours or more same thing go for the Predator movie which are generally a little bit longer than 87 minutes (that was how long AvP was). So what does he do? He rushes production casts shitty people in place of good actors EXCEPT Lance Henriksen and then Anderson doesn't give the people a chance to record their findings at the temple unless they had broadcasting equipment and had been relaying the information to that ship the entire time. Also althugh they showed the alien-predator hybrid at the end of the movie they might not ever get a chance to make a sequel if sales don't start picking up.

So yes I think it was ok it could have been a hell of alot better than it was but then again who am too complain. Seeing how I am not some hotshot director or exec with 20th century fox. What say ye everyone.

[King of Creation]

The Predators killed people because they were on their hunting grounds

Not true. It was pointed out in the film that the predators lured the humans there because they needed humans in order to facilitate the birth of the aliens. The predators wanted the humans there. If they weren't, there would be no aliens to hunt.

also they took their plasma casters away and that was their gift for passing the test to adulthood(remember those predator were still not men as they did not have all the weapons the other predators did in the other 2 movies.).

Also not true. The Predators needed those weapons in order to defeat the aliens. You'll notice that when the humans took the plasma casters, the pyramid "came to life," thereby signaling that the "trials" had begone. That's where the humans screwed things up. The Predators were supposed to open that sarcohpagus, take the plasma casters, and THEN start killing Aliens. They weren't gifts given AFTER the trials. They were the tools used to complete the trials.

Also althugh they showed the alien-predator hybrid at the end of the movie they might not ever get a chance to make a sequel if sales don't start picking up.

Sales have been great. Even despite the harsh beating the critics have been giving the film, it still opened at Number 1, and domianted the box office, with "$38.3 million from 3,395 theaters" for its opening weekend. So I'm hoping that they make a sequal, if only to make up for this movie. (and they'd better not have anderson direct again. this man should be banished from hollywood)

[Janus Matchell]

It aint selling like hotcakes here where I live in Texas. About the plasma casters they didn't have those weapons going into the Pyramid because they weren't by their species definition Men. Also they killed all the humans who weren't infected because they still are an obstacle in the way of their goal also they took their weapons so they have every right to kill the humans. The Plasma Caster were gifts but in a different sense just like giving some someone a gun and box of shell just before a zombie attack. I know AvP is number one now but it might fall from the top quick by next week.

[King of Creation]

The Predators, by code, only kill humans capable of fighting them. That's why the one predator didn't kill Weyland outright. The Predators figured that if they weren't going to be host to any aliens, then they were just going to be in the way. But the still only killed those that were capable fighters (ie, anyone with a weapon)

[Janus Matchell]

Thank you (non-sarcasm) for clearing that up for me. The Predator didn't kill Weyland outright as he was diseased and old. But when *SPOILER* he torched him man was Weyland screwed in a I'm gonna anally rape you sort of way. Yes I am aware of the Predator honor code. But for the most part you have hit the nail right on the head.

[Janus Matchell]

How long before that start whoring out AvP since it is doing pretty well right now? My guesstimation would be anytime now but hey I could be wrong.

[Wolfman Walt]

Heres for hoping I can clear some things up? Once again, spoilers, read at your own risk.

As for King of Creations first post. I couldn't agree more. Mortal Kombat is kinda like a fluke for video game movies cause it was pretty good. Especially in comparison to its sequal. Also, the movie DID develop to quickly, I'd rather have sat for an extra 30 minutes and such to develop things, but instead we were treated to no plot + all action. For something like Freddy vs. Jaon , thats ok, but this case wasn't such a good idea cause it's been established in a variety of novels and such that they exist in the same universe, fight, etc.

As for the PG-13 rating. It did do worse to the movie then I anticipated. Infact, I didn't even know it was PG-13 until I left and saw it on the marquee on the way out. Take for instance when the Black guy from resident evil died (I suppose he was the squad/security team leader). I didn't know he died until they stopped showing him. I just thought that the gaffi stick just went through the net and he was set free. This is one of those cases where marketing and such goes in and edits stuff like that out. IE, PG - 13 means more people can go in (like all the teenagers) which means more money for them. You have to remember, most of hollywood no longer cares about making GOOD movies, just making movies that make GOOD money.

Aside from Lance Henrikson and "the Black guy from resident evil" (Colin Salmon) I hated the cast. I also hated how all the guys who should have atleast had a fighting chance died like pussy's. I particularly disliked how the one head digger guy died after he slid down that incline and it's one of things I don't understand. When he got down, he face was completely frost ridden and covered with snow and such. If arnie couldn't really be seen with mud all over him, I really don't understand how all that snow could be seen through.

Speaking of the Predators vision - I thought it was weird how the colors got kinda reversed interms of the snow. IE - All of it was red instead of blue. But that was just a minor thing.

Don't get me started on how stupid the guide was, BUT, her job wasn't to lead a combat team, it was to lead an archiological team. If you remember during the dock scene before they fly she asked that canon fodder woman why she was taking a gun meaning she didn't know anyone else was taking one. Blame Anderson and the shitty writers.

As for the two predators being killed off rather quickly, theres a way to explain it, but it doesn't really make it better. The simple answer is that they were initiates and this was their initiation hunt to prove they were a "man". It's established in a couple of books that they hunt the "kainde amedha" (Aliens) to prove themselves as warriors and they do so without the plasma casters. It's ugh, kinda like how humans hunt deer with bows and arrows sometimes.

The reason why the predator (who was basically the same deal oddly enough) had plasma casters in the first two movies could either be cited as Humans are considered tougher prey in that they think for themselves and are armed with ranged weapons. Predators like to think of things as "Evening the field" IE, if the aliens were armed with some sort of ranged weapon, then they would have had plasma casters to begin with. BUT one thing canon wise that's bad and I blame the shitty writers is the fact that whenever theres an initiate hunt (which kinda disregards the previous idea that the human hunts in the first movies were initiate hunts) there is a senior to watch over the initiates and make sure that they know what they're doing PROPERLY. Although they don't directly get involved ussually, they don't like young initates dying before they can TRUELY enter the hunt.

However, I suppose the predators didn't anticipate the humans having firearms so they weren't issued Plasma casters.....or it was shitty writing and they needed something to cople this together. You choose. BUT GENERALLY, when hunting aliens for the initiate hunt, plasma casters aren't given.

THE REASON why the humans were killed by the predators was because they were ARMED. Not for any other reason. If you remember, they already knew that there were humans in the sacrificial chamber so the other armed humans WEREN'T needed and were considered amongst the prey. Wayland was given a second chance was because he wasn't deemed worthy prey but the predators. BUT I propose that the predator didn't care once Wayland attacked him again. If you remember, it was the same thing in predator 2 with the pregnant cop.

Harsh Critics? Point to me where. I've only been able to find 3 or 4.

Note - I know some of that was repeated, but ugh, think of it as backing up your opinions for whoever said what.