Republican Rhetoric

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:50 am

Ah yes, the delightful speeches given in the midst of the Republican hoopla in NYC. from MSNBC.

Mayor Rudolph Giuliani wrote:ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œPresident Bush sees world terrorism for the evil that it is. John Kerry has no such clear, precise and consistent vision,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬?

Yes, "clear, precise and consistent vision". Bush has one of those, where?

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œIt is important to see the contrast in approach between the two men: President Bush, a leader who is willing to stick with difficult decisions even as public opinion shifts, and John Kerry, whose record in elected office suggests a man who changes his position on even important issues.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬?

Given Bush's record I am amazed someone would blatantly imply that with a straight face. Since the beginning of Bush'd term in office he has seesawed across the spectrum and continues to have a foreign policy which is not only counterproductive but destructive to almost every strength our nation previously had.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:55 am

John Kerry is a little lying worm of a liar. He is a disgrace to the US armed forces and to all vietnam veterans. God save our military if he gets elected.

EFFEXOR · Post by **EFFEXOR** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:05 am

George is a little child.

Kerry seems like a lesser of 2 evils.

I just wish Americans cared, then maybe Nader would be president. oh well... world is ending either way so if George gets re-elected he'll just speed up the process.

I'd like to see the world end before I die, so here's to George Dubya getting re-elected!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:09 am

EFFEXOR wrote:I'd like to see the world end before I die

Yay! Nuke the world! Radiation galore! Fallout comes to life!

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:18 am

Look, the truth is, both the Democratic and Republican conventions are crocks of shit. In this coming election, you have the choice between two assholes: Bush and Kerry.

Bush is generally conservative.

Kerry is generally liberal. That's how thing swing.

I myself am a member of neither party. I agree with some things that both parties are for. I also disagree about some of both party's policies.

For example, Kerry is a proponent of "women's rights". Aka, abortion. A woman has the same rights as a man. Life, libverty, and the pursuit of happiness, blah blah blah. I support that. I do NOT support the murder of babies. That is what abortion is. So for me, that's one red X for the Dems.

Bush is generally the opposite of that. While he does not actively try to curtail and outlaw the murder of babies, he does NOT do the opposite of that. Kerry certainly would. In this he gets a green check from me.

Let's recap: Kerry 0, Bush 1/2.

On to another viewpoint of mine: Gun control. Kerry is an ardent liberal. As such, he would make sure that the 2nd Amendment would be wiped from the constitution. I am VERY much against that. One more red X for Kerry.

Bush has been doing what he said he would. He has not been actively for nor against gun control, and has said that he would not try to get any gun control law on the books erased. Not so good. He has also said that he would not sign into law any new gun control laws. Good. So, for Bush, the issue of gun control is up to the members of Congress. If the ten year assault rifle ban that was enacted by Clinton (that commie) in 1994 is not renewed by Congress in '04, he will not do anything about it. Well and good. Another green check.

The score: Kerry 0, Bush 1.

Bush is too moderate for my tastes, but the only alternative is Kerry. That is like having Herbert Hoover (a decent guy, but not the best) as a leader, and then getting Hitler. Figure it out.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:26 am

Herbert Hoover BTW was a homo. He wore dresses alot. Mostly in his office.

Gun control and abortion are the biggest issues in my book. Both are dispicable acts. Besides, ALL gun control is unconstitutional.

Check out my new sig.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:31 am

My favorite was when that woman was saying how (approximately) "It's so great that America is the Land of the Free, we've got so much freedom in this country, and it's all because George W. Bush is president!" Oh yeah, I forgot. I thought Bush has been eliminating freedoms at every chance he gets. MY MISTAKE.

I'm kind of pissed off at McCain though. Considering that he disagrees with Bush on almost everything, and if I were him I would definitely still hold a grudge from 2000. So why is he pimping out Bush's perfomance, when it has completely stunk?

EFFEXOR · Post by **EFFEXOR** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:36 am

yeah i tripple posted today too. what's with all the 500 internal errors?

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:38 am

As stated before they are both assholes, but to me Bush is the lesser asshole. Plus if Bush is fucking up the planest then why change horsemen in the middle of an apocolypse?

Personally I am not a member of any party, but I identify the most with the Libertarian Party. I'm all for letting people get high, eat some Twinkies and giggle at Spongebob after a hard day at work. Just so long as whatever they're doing doesn't affect me I don't care.

Fallout ranger, you're thinking of J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Hoover actually an okay guy. Our friend Edgar was the loony head of the FBI. Thought the commies were out to get him, which they probably were.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:38 am

I've been getting this message a lot when I try to post:

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EDIT:

airsoft guy wrote:As stated before they are both assholes, but to me Bush is the lesser asshole.

That's how I feel, and that's how I'm gonna vote.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:40 am

airsoft guy wrote:As stated before they are both assholes, but to me Bush is the lesser asshole.

No one gets in politics to please everyone all the time, infact, most people get into politics just to serve themselves. Regardless, I'm most likely voting republican.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:43 am

Dman murphy I thought that was just me because I'm like gonna get banned or something. What the hell does that mean?

AG, still, ol JEH was a homo.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:44 am

Check out my new sig.
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The right for people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

That would be better if the underlined part went to a website version of this:

http://earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/fr ... /text.html

Note article five.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:44 am

MurPHy wrote:I've been getting this message a lot when I try to post:

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Just reported that to the Trashcan, hopefully DU can do something as I've been getting it alot today and yesterday as well.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:49 am

MurPHy wrote:That would be better if the underlined part went to a website version of the Constitution (or the Bill of Rights, it makes no difference if you show only the fist ten or all of 'em as far as the argument is concerened).

Good idea. Done. Look now.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:52 am

You kick ass. I like how the last word, infringed, links to the dictionary explanation of it. Hah!

EDIT: No it doesn't. Nuts.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:58 am

Something I've noticed: A lot of Democrats have been saying "Kerry's not good, but at least he's better than Bush" or some variant thereof. But I don't understand what's not to like about him. He's clearly highly intelligent, and he seems responsible and has a level of professionalism and maturity that makes me think he would be a very good president. Conversely of course, Bush has NONE of the qualities I mentioned; but he's *decisive*, and from what I've been hearing lately... that's all that fucking matters.

MurPHy · Post by **MurPHy** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:05 am

Something I've noticed: your double posting is annoying, Franz. Let's hope they fix DAC soon, eh?

As for being decisive, they are being politically correct about it.

What they REALLY mean is this:

Kerry is intelligent, and good, and would be a good president, but he HAS NO BALLS. Also known as "decisiveness".

Case in point: Remember the bombing of the U.S.S Cole in a port in the middle east? Over 20 sailors died. What did Clinton do to get the terrorrists responsible? JACK SHIT.

He pussyfooted around and did nothing. As usual. Pussy. THAT is one of the causes of 9/11. Terrorrists attack, nothing happens. They think we are weak, and cowards, so BAM! 9/11. Clinton sent them the wrong message about us. Kerry will do the same thing. I am sure of it.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:14 am

MurPHy wrote:but he HAS NO BALLS.

You watch his testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee from 1971 and tell me Kerry has no balls.

Or you can read it http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history3 ... imony.html

SDMVersion3 · Post by **SDMVersion3** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:18 am

Franz_Schubert wrote:Something I've noticed: A lot of Democrats have been saying "Kerry's not good, but at least he's better than Bush" or some variant thereof. But I don't understand what's not to like about him. He's clearly highly intelligent, and he seems responsible and has a level of professionalism and maturity that makes me think he would be a very good president. Conversely of course, Bush has NONE of the qualities I mentioned; but he's *decisive*, and from what I've been hearing lately... that's all that fucking matters.

You're right. I'm a liberal (but not a Democrat, I'm a Canadian and created my own political system known as Facocommocracy), and I can't stand Kerry.

Why?

He's intelligent, but he can't make up his fucking mind.

He goes off to war. Then he changes his mind and opts out when his tour is over. Then he changes his mind about whether he should have gone to war and testifies that the war was wrong. Then he changes his mind about that and says he may have said some things he shouldn't have. And then he changes his mind and says that he would make a good leader becase of his war experience. But then he changes his mind and says that war is wrong and he won't support it. And then he changes his mind and says war is wrong and he will support it because soldiers are okay. And then he changes his mind and says that war is sometimes okay. And then he changes his mind and says that war is great and he was an awesome soldier, now stop slamming me with anounymous ads you fucking OH SHIT I HEAR THE ICE CREAM TRUCK!!!!!111!1111oneone cowboy, kthxbye.

He can't be trusted. You never know what he'll think next, because even he doesn't know. I sometimes wonder if he bases his policy on dice rolls.

MurPHy wrote:Case in point: Remember the bombing of the U.S.S Cole in a port in the middle east? Over 20 sailors died. What did Clinton do to get the terrorrists responsible? JACK SHIT.

He pussyfooted around and did nothing. As usual. Pussy. THAT is one of the causes of 9/11. Terrorrists attack, nothing happens. They think we are weak, and cowards, so BAM! 9/11. Clinton sent them the wrong message about us. Kerry will do the same thing. I am sure of it.

I believe you are misinformed; Clinton began a series of tactical bombing campaigns designed at attacking Osama Bin Laden and his networks across Pakistan, Afghanistan, and south Saudi Arabia. It is estimated that bin Laden was roughly an hour away from being a puddle on the floor due to the difficulty of procurring information, since it was mostly done through corruption. You can also hear him say Osama Bin Laden (granted he murders the pronunciation) in Bowling for Columbine, if my memory serves, which was the first time he was mentioned in a public broadcast.

He didn't declare open war; he was already in a war at the time, and with scandal after scandal dogging him, he couldn't really try and juggle 3 wars, an economy, and his legal fight to stay in office.