So in the news today (Assault Weapons Ban)

[Burnov]

well, the way I see it. I havent looked into any numbers or anything, but If its legal to have them, more ppl will have them, and then probably some will be stolen and find their way onto the black market...

I'm not really into this gun thingy,maybe thats why I think its stupid to allow such guns.
they're really not needed... by anyone. (excpt for criminals and coppers and military)

You don't get it.

Criminals will get all the illicit things they want regardless of whether it's illegal or not. That's what makes them criminals. It's like our failed canadian gun registry. It racked up expenses millions more than forecasted and all it has served to do is incovenience law abiding gun owners.

Questioning the legitimacy of assault weapons is the same as questioning the legitimacy of a civilian possessing -any- firearm. It's -not- necessary it's not an essential need.

It would however be hella cool to go hunt a deer with a mac 10.

Now suburbanite pansies who complain that they don't like the apperance of a certain type of gun don't have any say anymore. Don't like the looks of it. Don't look at it.

They had some surgeon on the news talking about how assault weapons create such inoperable and deadly wounds. The thing he's neglecting to say is that these assault rifles fire the same rounds found in your average hunting rifle.

And as for ammunition types. Last I heard frangible munitions weren't legal were they? So it's not an issue of different munitions. It's just instead of being able to fire tens of .308 or .223 winchester rounds a minute, you can now fire a few hundred.

The difference is only in how substantially more fun it would be to fire a few hundred bullets... and yes. That's all the justification I would ever need!

[xbow]

Some statistics

Fact: The death rate for police officers is about 1/90 of 1%.

Fact: A police officer has a 3,000% higher probability of being killed in a vehicle accident than from an "assault rifle"

Fact: For the last ten years, an officer had a 1,000% higher probability of being killed feloniously with his or her own gun than from an "assault rifle" AFI and the NAFLFD have sent the above data to Congress.

Source: U.S. Department of Justice; FBI Uniform Crime Reports


full statistics

[Kashluk]

You guys are making it sound as if full-autos would've become legal all over the states now. I thought the abolishing of the "assault weapon ban" was just, like said, removing some idiotic law about the cosmetics of guns?

[xbow]

Full auto weapons are legal in the USA all the wau up to automatic cannons and mini guns. It simply requires that the owner have an unblemished police record, a destructive devise licens, and the money to pay for the steep yearly registration fee on each destructive devise in his/her posession. Obviously the law favors the rich and powerful.

[Burnov]

That's why I need to make me millions of dollahz and move stateside so I can buy a decommissioned GAU-8 and mount it on a five ton truck and go squirrel hunting.

[Kashluk]

Crazy Americans. Geez.

[Doc Hill]

Actually, the high fines used to keep the more destructive weapons out of civilian hands are mainly to keep them out of the hands of backwoods rednecks. I can say that because a large part of my family are thoe who should not be allowed to have large weapons. Born in Alabama, Raised in Florida(not really the south) And now in NC.Trust me, we do not want to poor rednecks to have big weapons....hunting would get terrifying. Besides, I don't reclal the rich and famous(outside Heston) owning gads of huge weapons. Course, who knows what goes on at Bill Gates' compound?

[xbow]

Kashluk


I went to a civilian firepower display in Las Vegas and sure enough there were a bunch of OLD rich bastards banging away at empty oil drums and old cars for the crowd with their full autos. One crazy blubber butt had made a weapons mount that held TWO! mini guns!!! and one dude had one of these.(it mounted two M2 HB machine guns in place of the two Soviet 14.5MM machine guns.)



The folks that own them are squeaky clean, rich, politically connected and about as likely to commit a crime with one of those weapons as they are to become cosmonauts on the next mission to the moon. I think its funny most of those old boys couldn’t run across the street without adjusting their heart pacemakers.

[Mismatch]

well, nevertheless...
this bloody gun obsession just strengthens my conviction that most of USA suffers from a massive penis complex.
not only the gun obsession, also consider the fella(can't remember who) here who tried to convince ppl about how great USA was by telling us about how many more tanks and shit USA had compared to canada.
and, whats with the god bless america part???
If a politician over here said god bless sweden, there'd be no end of the mockery.

[Insane Koolaid Man]

While I am glad to see the useless assault weapons ban go, I don't foresee myself ever purchasing one of the weapons that was banned. I'm perfectly fine with the Marlin .22LR I got from my grandfather a long ass time ago.

[Wolfman Walt]

I've always found that most people who feel other people suffer from a "Penis complex" simply because they like firearms generally have a "penis complex" themselves.

"God Bless American" is a national saying. Its like saying "God Save the Queen" in England, or any other such saying. Ofcourse saying it anywhere else will make you sound stupid, its not a nationally accepted saying for the country.

As for the ownership of Assault Rifles, well afew things. First, as Kash said, these are (for the most part) only about cosmetic things. IE before this I couldn't buy an AK 47, but that wouldn't stop me from buying every rip off known to mankind. Infact Airsoft Guy got an Ak ripoff with preban 40 round magazines for his birthday. Obviousily the law didn't stop much as much as hinder it.

One argument is now that criminals can get all these weapons. Well they could get them before as I just said, or atleast things that were exactly like them, so I find that complete rubbish. Same thing with the argument "Now they can get 100 round drums" well you could get them before, they were just abit harder to find. People who commit to do evil things do so because they plan to. Most criminals don't buy an Mac-10 for any other reason then to rob a bank. I can't imagine a scenario where a criminal buys a gun and then accidently walks into a bank WHILE HE HAS THE FIREARM. And chances are, these people were already criminals before buying the gun making it illegal for them to have in the first place.

Now this is going off of heresay (I didn't research it) however I thought full auto weapons were still illegal? To my understanding this ban didn't effect full auto weapons, it only put the semi automatic versions of the weapons on the market. Well even if it was legal, select fire weapons in the hands of civilians has been illegal since the early 1900's. To my knowledge some seperate bill in circa 1996 made full auto illegal. Doesn't stop people from modifying their weapons though to make them full auto.

That is all?

[Insane Koolaid Man]

Now this is going off of heresay (I didn't research it) however I thought full auto weapons were still illegal? To my understanding this ban didn't effect full auto weapons, it only put the semi automatic versions of the weapons on the market. Well even if it was legal, select fire weapons in the hands of civilians has been illegal since the early 1900's. To my knowledge some seperate bill in circa 1996 made full auto illegal. Doesn't stop people from modifying their weapons though to make them full auto.

That is all?

Well, full auto weapons aren't really illegal, you just need a class III firearms license to get one, and the government has to do a thorough background check before giving one of those out, at least as far as I know. I also believe it was a bill passed in 1934 that made it illegal for the average Joe to own a fully-automatic firearm.

[Mismatch]

and all who say fucking gays are gay, huh?

since the law was mainly cosmetic, I see why it isn't needed. but I still can't see why ppl should have automatics.
It's bloody daft.
I suppose worse things are hapening than ppl haveing machinguns, but I just can't see why they'd even want to have them.
don't say, ppl want them to shoot with, they can bloody well use BB-guns for that.
or slingshots or their asses, or whatever.
perhaps someone should get exited about summit more important, like the fact that bush wants to ban abortion or an ass.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

If anyone can honestly tell me why they need an assault rifle or anything with semi/auto fire please feel free.

Don't even use the fucking hunting reply. If you need anything more than a single shot .22, you shouldn't be able to hunt.

[Wolfman Walt]

and all who say fucking gays are gay, huh?

Sure why not, we're making generalizations anyways.

Mandalorian - Have you EVER tried hunting large game with a .22? You might as well just yell at it to die because it'd be just as effective. Considering you're the guy who wants a high powered pistol I don't think you have room to talk.

Heres a legatimate reason. Because I can and want to. Thats why I need one.

Collecting is another reason. Home defense (Although probably not so solid in most peoples opinions) is another reason. And yes, self defense is viable. If you're a body guard and you have 4 people trying to kill you're client, I seriousily doubt you'll want to have just a pistol.

Why do people want sports cars when they can drive a honda? Because they want to. And dont' give me bullshit replies like "Well cars don't leave exit wounds" because you know what, fuck you. Car accidents kills more people then firearms yearly and with just as grisly results, and yes, I have seem em.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

and all who say fucking gays are gay, huh?

Sure why not, we're making generalizations anyways.

Mandalorian - Have you EVER tried hunting large game with a .22? You might as well just yell at it to die because it'd be just as effective. Considering you're the guy who wants a high powered pistol I don't think you have room to talk.

Heres a legatimate reason. Because I can and want to. Thats why I need one.

Collecting is another reason. Home defense (Although probably not so solid in most peoples opinions) is another reason. And yes, self defense is viable. If you're a body guard and you have 4 people trying to kill you're client, I seriousily doubt you'll want to have just a pistol.

I knew you were going to throw the big game card out. I should of addressed it. I've been with people who can kill a 7 foot tall bear with a bow so you still don't need a gun. Shit my uncle kills moose with a bow.

Just because you want one isn't an excuse either. I can't just go around and do whatever I want. I can't even piss on a country road shoulder without getting a goddamn ticket and thats 6 times less harmful than giving an american a gun.

As much as I love you Walt no one fucking needs a gun for home defense. I can easily kick the shit out of some jew with a gun if he comes in my house.

Plus no self respecting bodyguard is going to carry around a fucking rifle because its too obvious. I know, I was a bouncer and the rule even in Canada is to have a good sized knife in case someone pulls something.

[NOT A PEDOPHILE]

well, nevertheless...
this bloody gun obsession just strengthens my conviction that most of USA suffers from a massive penis complex.

Hahahaha, before you cite faulty Freudian psychology, read up on Freud, smartass.

not only the gun obsession, also consider the fella(can't remember who) here who tried to convince ppl about how great USA was by telling us about how many more tanks and shit USA had compared to canada.

What does that have to do with guns?

and, whats with the god bless america part???

AND WHATS THE DEAL WITH AIRPLANE PEANUTS
YOU TRY TO OPEN THE BAG AND BOOM SOME REDNECK POLITICIAN WITH AN AK-47 SHOOTS YOU IN THE HEAD AND STARTS SINGING ABOUT GOD, REALLY WHAT THE FUCK

If a politician over here said god bless sweden, there'd be no end of the mockery.

God (lol) forbid that somebody start a debate class over there, too. If you're a model citizen, duder, then Sweden, land of Vikings and people who can fly, is fucked.

[Wolfman Walt]

And I've seen videos of people killing big game with a knife, whats your point? We all know you don't need a gun to hunt, so thanks for being obvious. While we're at it, you don't need a car to travel, you don't need a computer for really anything, but we have em anyways.

Actually, yea it is an excuse and your argument is full of shit. The things you listed are illegal which is why you can't do them. My reason however is perfectly legal.

I can easily kick the shit out of some jew with a gun if he comes in my house.

Thats the biggest piece of shit written on this thread. Trust me, if he has his gun out, and is any ammount accurate, the only thing you'd kick would be the dust. And yes, people do need guns for home defense. You have yet to prove otherwise. Infact, I believe as it is, the burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders, not mine. You have to prove why I shouldn't own a firearm, not the other way around.

Plus no self respecting bodyguard is going to carry around a fucking rifle because its too obvious. I know, I was a bouncer and the rule even in Canada is to have a good sized knife in case someone pulls something.

I'm sorry, I thought there was a differance between a bouncer and a bodyguard. Infact, could you explain how the hell those two relate as one isn't even supposed to carry weapons at all? Oh wait, they don't you're just blowing hot air. Body guards don't CARRY around assault rifles or whatever, but they do have them.

[NOT A PEDOPHILE]

I knew you were going to throw the big game card out. I should of addressed it. I've been with people who can kill a 7 foot tall bear with a bow so you still don't need a gun. Shit my uncle kills moose with a bow.

Yeah, I'm sure your uncle has a great big sexy cock that you just can't get enough of, but gun rights have nothing to do with hunting. It's about being able to overthrow a despotic government (and thus is integral to the sustenance of democracy), not to mention that it makes defense against a foreign invader a whole lot easier. Plus there's the basic human right of being able to defend oneself.

Just because you want one isn't an excuse either. I can't just go around and do whatever I want. I can't even piss on a country road shoulder without getting a goddamn ticket and thats 6 times less harmful than giving an american a gun.

You can go around and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm other people. A person owning a gun does not harm other people.

As much as I love you Walt no one fucking needs a gun for home defense. I can easily kick the shit out of some jew with a gun if he comes in my house.

So because you don't need a gun to defend yourself, nobody else should be allowed that opportunity? Great logic there, you racist bucket of shit.

Plus no self respecting bodyguard is going to carry around a fucking rifle because its too obvious. I know, I was a bouncer and the rule even in Canada is to have a good sized knife in case someone pulls something.

Yeah, that's why no military MP's ever carry rifles....oh wait

[Mismatch]

Hahahaha, before you cite faulty Freudian psychology, read up on Freud, smartass.

someone obviously get offended by the penis part.
don't worry lad, you'll find someone who dont care about your shortcomings.

blahblahblah blahblah

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, was your intention however to spare me the work of showing that you are, in fact, retarded, then I suppose that you have succeeded.
good job moron.