Elder Scrolls 4 = 3rd Person !!!?!?

Post by **King of Creation** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:57 pm

[ -> Preview]

The folks over at <a href="http://www.rpgdot.com">RPGDot</a> have posted some info sent to them by Serban from <a href="http://www.http://www.jucaushii.ro/">Jucaushii.ro</a> regarding <a href="http://www.gameinformer.com/default.htm">Game Informer's</a> TES 4: Obvlivion preview:
 <blockquote>- first-person and third-person perspective
 - combat will be bloody and visceral
 - the outcome of combat will not be decided by virtual "dice roll"
 - it takes place in the world of Tamriel, specifically in the Imperial
 Province of Cyrodiil
 - the most amazing graphics that the console gaming world has ever seen
 - either on foot or on horseback, players can explore a huge exterior world
 - the dev. tools randomly populate areas, according to input parameters
 (area type - e.g. forest, types of trees, bushes, soil etc.</blockquote>
 As we are under the assumption that Fallout 3 will be developed using this engine, or something very similar, this gives me some hope. My guess, though, is that this third person perspective is a la Jedi Knight, not isometric. I just hope the engine can be easily modified to accomodate the isometric view.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:23 pm

In TES3 you could also switch to third-person view.

Briosafreak · Post by **Briosafreak** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:22 pm

Susan is right, they are the same viewpoints from Morrowind, there`s nothing new there.

Well at least from the pics we now know that the camera can be made free for pics or development issues, wich tells us it can be put anywhere the devs want it. One less excuse for them now.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:01 pm

the outcome of combat will not be decided by virtual "dice roll"

do they, with this, mean that there will be no to hit rolls?
that'd suck granny ass.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:20 pm

Yep, FPS madness.

T-900 · Post by **T-900** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:57 pm

It's Morrowind upgraded, basically... Deus Ex is the sci-fi version of the FPS/RPG hybrid, and Morrowind was the fantasy version. Both have *nasty* combat, and are primarily first-person, but remain two of the best games and best RPG's ever made... TES4 is basically to be Morrowind revisited in a new realm, with lovely graphics, and i'm hoping combat more like Rune, or Jedi Knight 3, as opposed to the DX-esque 'hit' 'hit' 'hit' 'hit' 'hit' 'die'.

When you make all your assumptions, bear in mind that even UT2004 has an RTS mod, with a topdown view, aswell as Halflife's Natural Selection with it's topdown rts views. Just because TES4:O will share the view types of TES3:M, it's not really any indicator of what viewpoint FO3 would use if made on this engine. It's not too much of an engine contraint to change the camera location. I'm thinking bethesda are busy with TES4 to extremes with the recent announcements they've made, and really just don't give a fuck about Fallout 3 at the moment because they already have their plates full.

Be Patient...

T-900 · Post by **T-900** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:00 pm

Sorry for the doublepost, firefox problems.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:35 pm

So I was cruising down mainstreet with my homies when I suddenly realized "Hey, I accidently made a double post, I sure hope that swell Dark Underlord guy fixes the problem that causes this soon."

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:35 pm

Being that almost anything can be done with an engine in terms of changing viewpoint and gameplay, as what T-900 listed plus other examples such as "Operation IGI" was made from a flight simulator's engine, we shouldn't worry too much about TES4 = FO3, at this point anyways. I suppose we'll know soon enough, but I'm going of the idea that Bestheda aren't complete morons and actually take the time to put work into their games.

Also - As Susan mentioned, you could go 3-rd person in the PC (Not sure about x-box) version of moronwind. Too bad it still sucked. No real news here.

MrSmileyFaceDude · Post by **MrSmileyFaceDude** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:00 pm

Wolfman Walt wrote: Also - As Susan mentioned, you could go 3-rd person in the PC (Not sure about x-box) version of moronwind. Too bad it still sucked. No real news here.

Yeah, in Morrowind you could switch between first & third on the Xbox, but the difference was that on the Xbox the view started out in third person by default, whereas on the PC it started out in first person by default.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:02 pm

What we're interested in is the new engine's capabilities to do a top down/overhead view, similar to the view in Fallout 1 and 2 ? Is it possible in your new engine?

Araanor · Post by **Araanor** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:19 pm

Moving the camera (and thus the viewpoint) is no rocket science, it's crafting the gameplay for it that'll require work.

MrSmileyFaceDude · Post by **MrSmileyFaceDude** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:23 pm

Araanor wrote:Moving the camera (and thus the viewpoint) is no rocket science, it's crafting the gameplay for it that'll require work.

Well said.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:54 pm

Still, is it possible?

Araanor · Post by **Araanor** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:06 pm

The graphical capabilities wouldn't need to be changed majorly. The isometric gameplay of Fallout, however, would have to be built from the ground as it is different from the gameplay of the TES games. Is that clear enough for you?

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:09 pm

Araanor wrote:The graphical capabilities wouldn't need to be changed majorly. The isometric gameplay of Fallout, however, would have to be built from the ground as it is different from the gameplay of the TES games. Is that clear enough for you?

not for me, elaborate.

brillo · Post by **brillo** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:40 pm

Mismatch wrote:
Araanor wrote:The graphical capabilities wouldn't need to be changed majorly. The isometric gameplay of Fallout, however, would have to be built from the ground as it is different from the gameplay of the TES games. Is that clear enough for you?
not for me, elaborate.

I have no idea if this is true for Bethesda's new engine and FO3, but it is for many other game engines/games today though.

Typically the game engine is fairly low level. It mainly handles graphics. Something like changing it between a first-person view and a 3/4 overhead view is fairly trivial. There aren't many graphics related things that would need to be different between ESIV and FO3. There are however many gameplay differences between ES and FO, which is where this next part comes in: Developers add to this low level engine the higher level stuff that makes up all of the game's actual gameplay and interface. And they do this on a game-by-game basis.

At least that's what I think he was trying to say...

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:46 pm

i guess some sort of hex system would have to be implemented for special and turn based to work correctly. Unless anyone can think of an alternative?

brillo · Post by **brillo** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:48 pm

Mr. Teatime wrote:i guess some sort of hex system would have to be implemented for special and turn based to work correctly. Unless anyone can think of an alternative?

A lot of games just measure stuff... Like 1ap=1 metre, rather than 1ap=1hex.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:54 pm

RT madness!