9/11 Pentagon Conspiracy

[Retlaw83]

i dont think anyone's crying conspiracy, lol cover-up maybe but not conspiracy. I'm not sure about the missing video's. i've never seen(or not) anything like that in europe. Maybe thats just the american way?

Its the investigative law enforcement way.

[xbow]

i'm still asking myself why the hotel and freeway footage was confiscated though, that seems a little odd to me.

Law enforcement types especially Federal types do some amazingly stupid things, or are they so stupid? They seize major evidence and then lose it, manufacture evidence in the FBI crime labs when needed .

Look at one FBI ‘bungle’ in the WACO case. The Texas Rangers seized the metal door to the main building (you know the door that Koresh and his bubbas were supposed to be firing through to kill that ATF agent in the initial fire fight). The Rangers grabbed it because one astute Ranger noticed that there were no exit holes on the surface of the door that faced outward. The Texas Rangers also found 200+ spent ferret rounds and discarded ferret ammo boxes around the main building . **

Right there you have two pieces of evidence that blows the official version of the events at WACO to bits. 1) no exit holes in the door where they should be if the Dividians fired through it. 2)The claim by the FBI that they did not use any incendiary ammo that could have gotten the blaze going was apparently false.

Well the FBI wants to get to the bottom of all this so they seize the evidence from the Texas Rangers. Six months later when the Rangers request to examine the door and the ferret rounds for the case they were preparing against the several Federal agents the door is suddenly ‘missing’ and so are the ferret rounds. Well imagine that, tar nation those FBI guys sure screwed up, or did they?

In the end all the Rangers had remaining in the form of evidence was photographic evidence of the ferret rounds, and the missing door plus the testimony of their lab personnel and field agents. The Rangers couldn’t gather any more evidence at the crime scene because for ‘the safety of the public’ the FBI had the all the ruins of the Davidian compound bulldozed into a big pile and hauled away to an undisclosed location very quickly. Clearly the FBI is willing to take a hit for being incompetent with respect to the maintenance of evidence or crime scenes if the implications of that evidence could point the finger of blame upward.



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** Ferret rounds and Protecto Jets: Remember the building was inundated with CS crystals (flammable) and the residual propellant gas from the CS dispensers (protecto jets (1)). Inside the building the atmosphere was actually a fuel air mixture ready to go. A protecto jet canister holds about 20 pounds of CS crystals under high pressure, the propellant is the same compressed gas that is used in hair spray (very flammable). Yes, a ferret round fired from a 12ga shotgun produces a little flash when it hit’s the target, The impact sets off a primer and a few grains of benite powder to disperse the CS crystals.

[Sol Invictus]

Just let it go already. I don't see the point in bringing up this fucking anniversary every god damn year. Just let them rest in piece and, oh yeah, kill Osama.

[xbow]

Just let it go already. I don't see the point in bringing up this fucking anniversary every god damn year. Just let them rest in piece and, oh yeah, kill Osama.

Conspiracy theories are an American passtime, people want to believe that they are getting fucked. This is especially true if they think the US government is driving the bone. Its all really a waste of time because when in the hell has a real cover up been completely exposed? The rats know exactly how to hide their tracks.

Its Been about ten years since WACO and nothing has happened to rectify that situation and ten years from now people will still be flapping their jaws about 911 and the US government conspiracy. I suppose no one ever consided the possibility that it was Ossama and his band of shit dick sucide bombers that are responsible for 911.

I say get Iraq over with as quickly as possible arm the hell out of all factions and let them exterminate each other. Then turn out attention to AlQueda and hunt them all down.

[Wolfman Walt]

To be fair, I could always be considered a Conspiracy theorist because I've done lots of research on the Kennedy assasination and have concluded that the government dun it. Me and Airsoft guy were discussing this the other day.

[avenger69ie]

lol you should look for a guy on yahoo called DeGrassiNoel

[Wolfman Walt]

I don't think I would get along with the really hardcore conspiracy theorists. I mean, yea, there is probably alot of reprecussions and such if it was proven that Johnsen had Kennedy killed, but for the most part, all of them are dead so theres no one who can really claim responsibility.

[Kotario]

Hah, I know a history professor who will literally beat you up if you so much as suggest that the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy. He believes that it wasn't, has more evidence than you can shake a stick at, and is really tired of people not believing him.

You should met him.

[S4ur0n27]

I say get Iraq over with as quickly as possible arm the hell out of all factions and let them exterminate each other.

But weren't they already doing it? USA just slowed down the fucking process.

[Wolfman Walt]

Hah, I know a history professor who will literally beat you up if you so much as suggest that the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy. He believes that it wasn't, has more evidence than you can shake a stick at, and is really tired of people not believing him.

You're right, I should. I'd like for him to explain a number of things such as why Oswald didn't have any powder residue on his face from firing a shitty 3 dollar bolt action rifle after waiting for the most opportune chance to shoot kennedy and instead waiting until Kennedy was 250 feet away, in a moving vehicle, and lets not even begin to mention that he only had a approx a 1.5 second avenue of firing off all three shots from a bolt action rifle before Kennedy went behind a tree (which is now cut down).

He could also maybe answer me why Johnson was never a suspect, even though common sense dictates he should have been the PRIME suspect. Infact, he was not only never a suspect, he controlled the whole investigation.

[xbow]

But weren't they already doing it? USA just slowed down the fucking process.

I can't argue with that, It would have been better to let them go insane on each other. Then real ethnic/political boundries would have been established. We were right to knock off saddam but then we should have departed immediatly after he and his son were captured and killed and then let the shia, suni, and bathists hack it out. Our mission should have remained to Kill ossama and destroy AlQueda.

[xbow]

Could Oswald have made those shots? NO!

Oswald only shot a 212 on the USMC rifle range making him a low 'sharpshooter' on the old system of 250 points Marksman (toilet seat) is from 190-209 I think a sharpshooter was 210-219 and expert 220-250. The average score Marines shoot is 225 making oswald a below average shooter. Plus in the USMC he was using an M1 Garand or M14 and the assisiantion was supposed to have been done with a 25 dollar shit gun with a cheap scope.

I think he had help that he didnt know about.


Wolfman there is a book out now that points the finger at LBJ .

[Wolfman Walt]

Oswald only passed his marksmanship test by 1 point to land on the lowest scale. He was considered a "poor" shot by every marine and marine instructor there and often won the "Worst shot award." Additionally, about 6 months beforehand Oswald tried to assasination a general at 50 feet, with the same rifle, using a fence as a gun rest, target was stationary, etc etc and missed. Every shot. Completely.

[xbow]

I thought he was a sharpshooter (in the USMC that means below average) if he was a Marksman that means he was really lame!

[Wolfman Walt]

Nope, he was on the bottom. He was a radio repair man, I don't think he cared about his accuracy.

[S4ur0n27]

I saw this TV show about the Kennedy assassination, I don't remember eactly what they said, but it can be resumed by "OMG KONSPIRACYE!!11" without actually proving anything.

Conspiracy theorists too often turn out to be desperate businessmen trying to make a few bucks.

[Wolfman Walt]

Don't most people turn out to be desperate men trying to make a few bucks? Even hookers?

[S4ur0n27]

Hookers turning into men

Edit : I saw Trainspotting again last night and that scene when Francis ends up kissing a manhooker is hilarious.

[xbow]

Conspiracy theorists too often turn out to be desperate businessmen trying to make a few bucks.

Well said S4ur0n27. Imagine a retired military officer or lawyer sitting in his den dreaming about writing a best seller. He has tried and failed to sell his novel that sucked mightily, his autobiography didn’t sell either..oh what to do!!!

In desperation he descends to the lowest level of primordial frog shit in the bottom of an Alabama scum swamp and writes yet another Kennedy assignation expose. He knows that a good cover and a shocking intro on the back might just be the boost he needs to kick his excrement on to the Wall Mart book racks.

He reads a few previous expose books on the subject and then concocts his absurd theory. Then in the next year he takes research trips to Washington DC, Texas,etc. Once his monumental research tasks are done he crudely chains together insignificant facts and dead ends to prove his theory. The book is 100 percent supposition and pure bullshit but people will buy it anyway if the publisher gets him on a few talk shows to spew his line of crap.

I think that about covers it.

[xbow]

Wolf man

Oswald sure wasn't Carlos Hathcock that’s for sure, Carlos the number 1 Marine sniper in Vietnam with 200+ kills 96 of them confirmed was not able to reproduce Oswald’s amazing feat of shooting prowess. He couldn’t do it with an identical Manlicher Carcano and he couldn’t do it with a Winchester mod70 target rifle. There are a few folks that have done it but they were all national level competitive marksmen and none ever did it on their first try. Unfortunately we will never know who helped Oswald out or who handled and manipulated him. Sadly with all the principals and witnesses dead we will learn nothing new.