The Movies, Music, and Games thread

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:11 am

It's all fine and dandy for the dialogue to be realistic (even though it technically wasn't) and the scenarios to be lackadaisical and "anything-goes". But without a sense of direction, it's just mindless jawboning. I just couldn't get attached to the movie because it didn't go anywhere. And I'm not talking about the fractured timeline; I'm talking about the utter lack of plot. In a sense, it's kinda cool that the film has no real mission statement, but on the other hand...no. Arty pretensions only work for a while, and then I need something to grab onto. The whole movie just felt like a waste of two and a half hours. And it's criminally overrated.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:13 am

How many hitmen and criminal organizations have you ever hung around?

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:14 am

Subhuman wrote:But without a sense of direction, it's just mindless jawboning.

Well, some of us don't need a cookie-cutter plot to understand and enjoy a movie, I guess.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:32 am

Franz_Schubert wrote:Well, some of us don't need a cookie-cutter plot to understand and enjoy a movie, I guess.

Oh, barf. Go choke on a blueberry scone, you condescending dick.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:36 am

So... you run out of arguments, and resort to gibberish? Classic.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:38 am

Just because you're too enveloped in your own pomposity to understand me doesn't mean I'm speaking gibberish. Get off your high horse. "Some of us" don't respond well to condescension.

And dude, you're defending Pulp Fiction. Quit while you're ahead.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:54 am

Avril wrote:And dude, you're defending Pulp Fiction. Quit while you're ahead.

Wow... you realize that you're pretty much the ONLY person EVER to think that Pulp Fiction is crappy?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:19 am

It's not so much that he thinks Pulp Fiction is crappy. It's that he thinks it's crappy while thinking Kill Bill is Tarantino's gift to man. It's like some sort of twisted irony torn from the pages of Kafka.

jetbaby · Post by **jetbaby** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:21 am

Venture Brothers for the win, bitches.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:22 am

Brock = God

Lunchmeat · Post by **Lunchmeat** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:23 am

Heck yes.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:27 am

He's also a great source of inspiration for me.

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:42 am

Favorite band : Orbital
Favorite track : "Sunday Monday Morning" by The Alpha Conspiracy
Favorite movie : Dark City
Favorite game: Planescape: Torment / Anachronox

Favorite book: Night Watch by Terry Pratchett
Favorite TV show: CSI: New York (I really liked the premiere. It seems a lot darker than the other two shows. Somewhat reminiscent of Hannibal.) Used to be Stargate SG1, but that became really stupid during the 4th season and it hasn't improved since. The plots are especially childish, I can't stand them.

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:53 am

Subhuman wrote: They're also boring as hell. (Except for "Rock The Casbah", of course, which is gold.) And I'm sick of people being such snobs about rock bands. "Ugh, you don't like the Clash? Are you, like, retarded or something?" No. I like music with variety. Blow me.

The Clash's weakest track was Rock the Casbah. It's funny how you find it to be their best. That evidently displays your lack of taste in rock music - not mentioning the fact that Garbage sucks in a multitude of echelons.

fallout ranger · Post by **fallout ranger** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:59 am

Exitium wrote: not mentioning the fact that Garbage sucks in a multitude of echelons.

just like everything else he likes

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:34 am

At the moment:

Favourite band: Tom Waits
Favourite track/song: Sunday Bloody Sunday - rx cover
Favourite film: Batman (1966)
Favourite game: Silent Storm
Favourite book: American Psycho. If you haven't read it, you should. It's hilarious.

I'll probably change in a minute or five.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:05 pm

Exitium wrote:Favorite band : Orbital
Favorite track : "Sunday Monday Morning" by The Alpha Conspiracy
Favorite movie : Dark City
Favorite game: Planescape: Torment / Anachronox

Favorite book: Night Watch by Terry Pratchett
Favorite TV show: CSI: New York (I really liked the premiere. It seems a lot darker than the other two shows. Somewhat reminiscent of Hannibal.) Used to be Stargate SG1, but that became really stupid during the 4th season and it hasn't improved since. The plots are especially childish, I can't stand them.

Did you play Anachronox recently, rex? I loved it from the first moment I played it years ago, but didn't think that many other CRPG fans got round to playing it.
It's characterisation and plot is equal to PS:T, although executed in a completely different way.

EDIT:I've been thinking about Anachronox after making this post, it's so quirky. If you thought FO2 had easter eggs and secrets, you need to play Anachronox. It has THOUSANDS of little things that most people won't notice. Like an entire language invented for the game, hidden messages in binary scattered around the game, things like if you approach a character at a certain time of the month he'll give you access to an apparantly inaccessable part of the game (the tower of nine enigmas, for anyone who has played the game), if you leave one of your party NPCs in a children's play area for four real time hours he'll come out with a special item, the way you can access the very last area of the game right at the beginning of the game and walk around it and talk to new people if you do things right (hard to do though).... there are so many.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:43 pm

It's installed on my computer but I never got to go farer than the jail.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:11 pm

Franz wrote:Wow... you realize that you're pretty much the ONLY person EVER to think that Pulp Fiction is crappy?

You need to get out more. Really. There are large chunks of people who think that Pulp Fiction is one of the most overrated movies of all time, and they're right.

Wolfman Walt wrote:It's not so much that he thinks Pulp Fiction is crappy. It's that he thinks it's crappy while thinking Kill Bill is Tarantino's gift to man.

What gives you that impression? I never said Kill Bill was anything more than an entertaining movie, which is all I need. That's all I asked of Pulp Fiction, and it failed to deliver. Hell, I liked True Romance better than Pulp Fiction.

Exitium wrote:The Clash's weakest track was Rock the Casbah. It's funny how you find it to be their best.

I do, mostly because it manages to make a political statement without sacrificing musical quality. A lot of their songs put too strong a focus on "issues" without delivering a decent, well-written tune. (See also: Rage Against The Machine, System Of A Down, et al.) Again, I don't give two shits about political songs, unless the music matches up with the message.

Exitium wrote:That evidently displays your lack of taste in rock music - not mentioning the fact that Garbage sucks in a multitude of echelons.

Don't talk to me about "taste". I gave up being concerned about my CD collection years ago, when everyone was raving about Radiohead and I was utterly apathetic. Now I just listen to whatever moves me. If that includes Paula Abdul and The Human League instead of the Clash and Led Zeppelin, so be it. I don't give a shit anymore.

And I'd give "Stupid Girl", "Queer", "I Think I'm Paranoid" and "Push It" another shot before closing the book on Garbage entirely. Those songs kick ass - well written, catchy, dark, good hooks, etc.

Teatime wrote:If you thought FO2 had easter eggs and secrets, you need to play Anachronox.

That's not the one with David Bowie, is it? Never mind. I didn't hear much about Anachronox when it was released, although I remember seeing a lot of ads for it. The story intrigued me, so depending on the system requirements (my computer = teh suckage), I might give it a shot.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:53 pm

The one with David Bowie is Omikron : The Nomad Soul, and it's one heck of a game. Few people ever mention this game but in my mind it's one of the best video game ever : Kickass soundtrack, beautiful, dark, cyberpunk graphics, a lot of exploration to do, a good fighting system, interesting story. I liked it as much as FO.

Plus, David Bowie is IN the game