I suck at mathematics...

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:22 am

Translation:

"Other people might like it, but I don't. Who cares, though - I like writing. Huzzah."

See how easy it is? Start doing it.

the guardian · Post by **the guardian** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:58 am

Saying you can't do anything with math is pretty obtuse.

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:10 am

I mean that you can't manipulate it, change its shape, think up new ways of using it. There's no room for creativity.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:15 am

Subhuman wrote:I mean that you can't manipulate it, change its shape, think up new ways of using it. There's no room for creativity.

Well, yeah, if you quit doing it in high school. How could any new theorems get discovered if mathematicians didn't "think up new ways of using it" and just see what happens? How would we have any kinds of physics or chemistry if physicists and chemists didn't think of ways to apply math to things, or often just invent whole new branches of mathematics in order to create a model (the famous example being Newton inventing calculus in order to establish his Laws of Mechanics). Just because you can't do anything interesting with math doesn't mean nobody can. Math can be every bit as dynamic and beautiful as any old painting in its own way.

Goddamn, Subhuman, if you don't like math--that's fine. But you don't know a fucking thing about it, so who are you to say "there's no room for creativity"?

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:29 am

At the base level, no, you can't do jack shit with math. 1 + 1 = 2. The square root of 9 is 3. 4/x = 5/100. There's only one way to do it, and if you do it the wrong way, you get the wrong answer. Over and over and over.

There's a difference between finding new uses for math and actually manipulating the structure of it. I'm talking about the latter.

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:14 am

Subhuman wrote:Translation:

No, I meant what I wrote. Your translation is invalid, by virtue of your identity. We are too different that you might understand my meaning as I intended it. You can't argue this one Darryl, you cannot know my words or thoughts better than I do. To claim so would be incorrect, arrogant and presumptuous - which, could well be entirely in character.

Subhuman wrote:See how easy it is? Start doing it.

I don't recommend that, habits are contagious. Do you want that ? If you do, you're quite probably an idiot, and will most likely follow Darryl's sage advice.

To me, maths is a tool, by my own limitations a fairly basic, albeit useful one. To others it is a passion they could devote their lives to. For me, the opposite is true of writing. I take pleasure from it, and apparently others take pleasure from my work, as I do theirs.

My mind is not wired to understand the sublimity of maths. I can however, appreciate the fact that it is there, beyond my personal experience. I'll live.

Spazmo wrote:Goddamn, Subhuman, if you don't like math--that's fine. But you don't know a fucking thing about it, so who are you to say "there's no room for creativity"?

You've answered your own question.

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:33 am

Blargh wrote:We are too different that you might understand my meaning as I intended it. You can't argue this one Darryl, you cannot know my words or thoughts better than I do.

I took what you wrote and broke it down into simpler, fewer, and more effective words. It's called condensing. Quite an effective tool, particularly in your case. You'll thank me later.

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:40 am

Subhuman wrote:I took what you wrote and broke it down into simpler, fewer, and more effective words.

Warping the meaning in the process. Ergo, you got it wrong. Which means your gesture was thoroughly pointless, unnecessary and even vaguely insulting.

Subhuman wrote:It's called condensing.

Condescension suits you so, Darryl . . .

Subhuman wrote:You'll thank me later.

*laughs*

No, I wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t. I won't ever have any reason to be grateful to an inane pillock for their vacuous, unsolicited advice. Until - and may it never happen - I actively seek out your skills as an interpreter, or your wisdom in general, kindly cease operating under false pretences (such contradiction) and 'koff.

Oh so sincerely,
Blargh

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:45 pm

No, no - condense. Not condescend.

Blargh wrote:Warping the meaning in the process. Ergo, you got it wrong.

No, actually, I got it right. Read it over again.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:45 pm

There's a difference between finding new uses for math and actually manipulating the structure of it. I'm talking about the latter.

fuck off you retarded cunt.
complex numbers can be considered a new structure of math. and non-euclidean geometry most certainly is.
and, furthermore, logics is about being creative.
the reason math may seem static is prolly because its the only science capable of describing the physical reality.

edit:
and, you could if you wanted create you own math, if you crteated non contradictionary axioms and such for it, you could then deduct your own math... a math with probably no use, but still.

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:48 pm

And can you manipulate the structure and function of complex numbers? Or non-euclidean geometry? No. You can just apply them to different areas.

Which was my original point. Which you would have known if you'd actually read my post. "Cunt."

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:51 pm

so, basically the same thing could be said about writing huh?
the letter a is stille the letter a and can never be remade into a b
and thus writing is not creative.

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:40 pm

Subhuman wrote:No, no - condense. Not condescend.

Are you perhaps deliberately misunderstanding ? Read it over again. I won't hold it against you if you can't understand my comments, and consequently prove my point.

Subhuman wrote:No, actually, I got it right. Read it over again.

You appear to suffer from an inability to admit your errors. It's alright Darryl, I forgave you for that quite some time ago.

As you are, and the issue you have continued to press is distasteful, in closing - 'koff.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:33 pm

Spazmo wrote:Well, yeah, if you quit doing it in high school. How could any new theorems get discovered if mathematicians didn't "think up new ways of using it" and just see what happens? How would we have any kinds of physics or chemistry if physicists and chemists didn't think of ways to apply math to things, or often just invent whole new branches of mathematics in order to create a model (the famous example being Newton inventing calculus in order to establish his Laws of Mechanics). Just because you can't do anything interesting with math doesn't mean nobody can. Math can be every bit as dynamic and beautiful as any old painting in its own way.

SHUT THE FUCK UP SPAMMO

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:17 pm

Blargh wrote:As you are, and the issue you have continued to press is distasteful, in closing - 'koff.

lmao

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:07 pm

Blargh wrote:Are you perhaps deliberately misunderstanding ?

No. You're deliberately making a "clever" play on words by calling me condescending after I condensed your paragraph. This is the kind of thing that makes you a loser.

Blargh wrote:You appear to suffer from an inability to admit your errors.

Your original point and my condensed version have the exact same meaning. So no, I'm still right.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:00 am

the guardian wrote:Saying you can't do anything with math is pretty obtuse.

Go get a job that pays over 30 an hour without any math.

Unless you wanna deliver pizza or paint furry art in your parents basement, you need some form of mathematical background.

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:47 pm

You need basic math to get through everyday life, sure. But there are a boatload of careers where you won't use math at all, or very little. It all depends what you're looking for.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:49 pm

You can always get a business career that uses only idiot-level math, or something?

And hourly pay rates are so plebian

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:11 pm

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD wrote:
the guardian wrote:Saying you can't do anything with math is pretty obtuse.
Go get a job that pays over 30 an hour without any math.

Unless you wanna deliver pizza or paint furry art in your parents basement, you need some form of mathematical background.

I thought that was what he said? Or did you misread 'with' as 'without'?

Anyway, if I was a mod' I'd lock this topic for being obtuse.