Star Trek Or Star Wars?

n305er · Post by **n305er** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:14 pm

Knight wrote:Q? HAHAHAHA! Like I said earlier, he or she I call Q a it, cannot affect SW. You know why? Because it is located in a universe far different than the one in ST. I would love to see the look on Qs face when it sees his powers have no effect what so ever on the Jedi! The effect should be the same as yasalamari. It could teleport or walk right in but can't think its way out! Now it's payback time for playing god with the universe. A race like that does not deserve to live if it does not know the difference between good and evil. :x

Well, about clean ships...I agree on the Klingons being dirty but the Borg seems...nah their not so clean too.

I have no Idea what you mean... :p

Mastar Singularity · Post by **Mastar Singularity** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:26 pm

Erm, starships would destroy star destroyers easily.

Why? Because the star destroyers' shield generators are sitting right out there in the open, because it takes mere starfighters with their small weapons to take out one of those generators, and because a starship phaser beam is several times thicker than a starfighter ~nT~

- sure the feds can beam stuff. Only when the Death Star's shields are down.

Ya...what shields? Ultimate heavy armor, yes, but shields...I don't think so.

at least the characters of SW do not have to wear those non-protective tight outfits those ST characters wear. Body armor all the way!!!

Not when the armor doesn't even work. (Wow, a mere blaster can kill stormtroopers, in case you're wondering why, though I doubt that) If a person is wearing an armor that does not work, then that armor is merely an impediment to their movements. The ST peeps have the same amount of protection (none) but they have less impediments to their movements.

And plus, blasters are a mere OWWWW unless shot in a vital part, now phasers on vaporize setting...

SW comes from another place and time...therefore Q is powerless

Eh? Q only has power in one universe? Cough cough. Q is one person who can see and afffect different universes (his perception of the probably of the other side of the paradox is one proof of taht), wreaking havoc on the star wars universe (which is, btw, basically the same as the ST universe) won't be a problem.

Q? HAHAHAHA! Like I said earlier, he or she I call Q a it, cannot affect SW. You know why? Because it is located in a universe far different than the one in ST.

Sigh, the Jedi/Sith can not affect the Star Trek Universe. You know why? Because it is located in a universe far different from the one in SW. And does that make sense? Mayhap. After all, the Jedi base their powers only on the Force, while Q is a power in himself. What if the Force does not exist in the ST universe? Q still is a power in the SW universe, meanwhile....screwt! You've got either a nothing vs something or a something vs something, choose.

The Borg, meanwhile, can kill...um...assimilate the stormtroopers. Why? The blasters have no modulation adaptation.

*Stormtrooper shoots down one Borg*

*The rest of the stormtroopers fire, but all the borg then have shields surrounding them*

Stormtrooper: OH NOS! *Borg takes off stormtrooper's helmet and assimilates him...maybe they don't even have to take off their helmets*

Now...THE DEATH STAR...

Choice no. 1: Beam into the main reactor, shoot it with heavy phasers on vaporize.

(already stated earlier).

Choice no. 2: Episode IV torpedo.

Those were mere starfighters going through the canyon, with sucky computers. Star Trek's aiming computer is FAR better. Sure, a starship can't fit into the canyon, but they can move to above it, and then put the torpedo on a trajectory into the exaust shaft. They've got ultimate computers, and they've already demonstrated some torpedos that are capable of moving by itself to where their targets are.

With a snap, Q can also make the Death Star not only disappear, but never exist in the first place. And even if you anti-Qs are right that he can not do anything in the Star Wars universe, to be in a position to do anything (ie blow up a few planets), the Death Star would have to be in the Star Trek Universe, and there Q has jurisdiction (and if he can't affect the death star directly, he can still compile a bunch of nebula gas around the death star into an infinite density).

And they're not stupid enough to put Darth Vader on the viewscreen.

Yuuzhan vong (how2spell) are owned easily by multiple torpedos on differencing trajectories.

I voted based on the ideas...

Okay, this is confusing. According to the poll, it was something like "Star Trek: I'll shove a torpedo up your ass." That doesn't have much to do with ideas. It is to do with star wars vs. star trek in head on head combat. This isn't a contest on the movies, guys (and besides, we already know who defeats who when it comes to that level anyway).

And not head on head as well. Here's a stupid little dialogue that will allow you to get an idea..

Captain: *calls Vader (on speakerphone, so that Vader can't pull the choking trick on him)*
Vader: Yes?
Captain: HAHAHAHAHAH LOSER. I HAVE A BETTER WEAPON THAN YOU!!!
Vader: Your puny Star Trek people will see. Once the Death Star gets going-
Captain: Are you kidding me? That puny death star of yours can not do anything! We've got the best of the best of the weapon generators ever!
(sarcasm increases)
Vader: OMG HOW2MAKE?
Captain: I'm not telling you!
Vader: I'LL SEXOR YOU IF YOU DO!
Captain: FINE!
Captain: First, get a ship with a tachyon beam and fire it at a certain point in space. Then, a few seconds later, fire the same tachyon beam, with the same frequency, at the same point. Then a few seconds later, do the same thing. A giant thing in space will be generated that will give you lots of energy to harvest.
Vader: Anything else?
Captain: You'd better test it in your universe first. I can't describe it directly, and you need to make sure it's perfect before you start using it in warfare.
Vader: OK THANKS!

Obviously (for the narrow-minded people), they're not going to be making this conversation and have Vader believe it, but they can do so in different ways. Say, make an "intercepted" transmission of a new superbattery. The SW universe has not been exposed to any of the real space dangers, and ST will seriously destroy them easily with their ultimate weapon: the unknown.

Sir_Funkalot · Post by **Sir_Funkalot** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:08 pm

With help of the force we will crush you narrow-minded Trekkies!

Trekkies: They will crush us narrow-minded Trekkies!

Ha! You see, works already.

And how silly is not Star Trek:

"Borg, sounds Swedish!" (Yep... pretty long time into the future and they still remember an old swedish tennis player...)

Mastar Singularity · Post by **Mastar Singularity** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:13 pm

60 years into the future, actually.

I won't even say anything about your first part. Your starwars must be weird to believe that others will get so easily convinced as you are.

Sir_Funkalot · Post by **Sir_Funkalot** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:16 pm

Yep... alright... if you say so. Yoda would kill all those Borg if Vader hadn't done it before him...

Mastar Singularity · Post by **Mastar Singularity** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:22 pm

1. Vader didn't kill any Borg. They're from different universes!
2. That Vader would kill all the Borg is about as possible as killing republic soldiers of the same number...it won't happen. It's even less possible, in fact, since the Borg can also assimilate him (and yes, he's still human, so they can do that unless his brain is a machine). If he attempts to attack the Borg Queen he'd have to fly a ship against numerous Borg vessels into a Borg vessel...even the Force can hardly protect him against inability to beam/dock.

Mastar Singularity · Post by **Mastar Singularity** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:30 pm

(S)he who posted:
http://www.etek.chalmers.se/~e5tomase/trekkill.html

LMAO!

1) Star Destroyers' Greeny Guns are not continuous firing
2) They are about 1/50th that thickness
3) Starships are approx. 2 times that size..

Well, that's all I've to say.

Mastar Singularity · Post by **Mastar Singularity** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:31 pm

Well well, I shall stupidly try to post that deleted pic then.

Ganymedes · Post by **Ganymedes** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:38 pm

w00t! w00t! Flame war 'tween trekkies and warries!!! Never thought I'd see that... :roll:

BTW; I am a pro-trek, primarly because ST is more "realistic" than SW... (Not that any one of them are too realistic, then...) :roll:

Jack_Deth · Post by **Jack_Deth** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:11 pm

I like Star Wars better but I like the fact that if you are a fan of Star Trek, an episode is ALWAYs on and you can watch a new one at almost anytime because there are so many of them. While, in Star Wars you can only watch the movies and read the books, but I don't really read books.

Star Wars used to have the better games but they are about equal now.

I really like the Star Trek Episodes with the Borg in them, they are cool. My favorite of the movies is First Contact, very cool.

n305er · Post by **n305er** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:32 pm

Oh well then... If both sides war, then The 'trekkies' will just have to wait for the Jedi's to turn to the dark side... :p

I'm not gonna argue much anyway (forget this statement)... There was a match like this once and Star Wars wins...

But most of the reasons they gave is only because of "The Force!"

Wow! Must be really something! Like Q from the Continuem would not like to mess with cause He "just don't feel like it"

Then there is this transport and shield technology that Star trekkers have which Star Wars don't.. Who cares right? Star Wars got the.. Death Star

I last remembered that the death star was destroyed by a single hit to the generators. hmm... I wonder why did Star Wars Really win...

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:59 pm

n305er wrote:Then there is this transport and shield technology that Star trekkers have which Star Wars don't.. Who cares right? Star Wars got the.. Death Star

The Death Star wouldn't be much of a threat considering it's so large and slow when moving through normal space(Re: Star Wars, the original movie). Even a group of TOS Fred starships could whip the shot out of it -before- they had photon torpedoes.

Look at it this way, starships in Star Wars are limited to speed around light speed(Re: Han Solo bragging about the Falcon doing ".5 passed light" as being fast). TOS starships travelling at Warp 8 is 512 times the speed of light. Warp in, shoot, warp out, wash, rinse, repeat. There's nothing the Death Star could do about that but sit there and take that.

This tactic would work well against any ship in Star Wars, so Star Wars doesn't really have anything that could do much to the lowly TOS Freds let alone any of the super evil powers in Star Trek.

As for all the moronic arguments about how cool the Force is.. Well, let's see how tough those Jedi are when Star Fleet figures out what midichlorins are and decides to beam those little critters out of the Jedis' bodies. After all, even the first generation transporters had medical filters which could extract microbes.

n305er · Post by **n305er** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:55 am

I would like to see what the Star Wars fans have got to reply to that... :p

The force will not be defeated? ha!

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:17 am

i find this hilarious.

Dark Xenomorph · Post by **Dark Xenomorph** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:00 am

56k, soooooo slow....

n305er · Post by **n305er** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:08 am

Downloading at 35KB/sec
oh... now at 45KB/sec

Sir_Funkalot · Post by **Sir_Funkalot** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:15 pm

Well you want an answer?

Warp 8 is totally impossible to ever travel in cause you simply can't go faster than the lightspeed.

This means none of the ships would be able to go faster than light, and therefor the Trekkies would have no benefit looking at speed.

Still, you can't destroy the Death Star without shooting the proton torpedos down that exhaust port, the shields are to strong.

And Borgs cannot match Jedis, a Jedi must easily be worth at least 50 borgs, not counting Jedi Masters, but pure Jedi Knights and from the beginning there are thousands of Jedi, a grand clone army with exceptional fighting skills, tens of thousands of star systems... and so on...

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:57 pm

[sigh] You see my dear bantha brained trekkies...once a SW ship or person or item enters your too-perfect-but-worthless-universe it carries a field of the force with it. Similar to the yasasalamari, not the Yugo-watchamacalit-laser brains! The yasalamari stops the use of the Force when someone is near it, say a meter or three.
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We SW have deflector shields...on all sides of the star ship.
X-wing fighter pilot: *sees power to rear deflector shield failing*
R2-D6 will you supply power to that part.
*the droid diverts power from forward to aft*
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Contineuim or not, Q cannot and never will just think away us Star Wars lovers! Once he gets into the field of a single storm trooper he will be helpless without his powers. ST fans, remember the episonde in ST: The Next Generation. Q lost his powers for being a asshole. Look what happened...your baldy Captain got revenge! Well...we have our own Force power tool. The field is the Force since it does not exist in your universe we carry it with us.*snickers*
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WE HAVE PROTON TORPEDOES!!! I laugh at your photon torpedoes...lets compare eh? BOOM! We got more power!
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A Federation Star ship twice the size of a star destroyer! HAHAHA! I laughing so hard I squashed a twibble. Where do you think we hold those TIE fighters? How many Turbo lasers we have? Huh? What about our AT-ATs? We will Eat Joo!
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Speaking of engines...I haven't you noticed those two glowing rods on the back end of th Enterprise and every other Federation ship? X-wings and other ships will simply use proton torpedoes to knock those out. REMEMBER the episode where the Enterprise is cuaght in a time loop? HAHAHA! Notice how a simple collision turns the Enterprise into a large fire ball. The star destoryers don't simply blow up. There is A DRAMATIC ENDING TO THIER SERVICE!
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Even is Q is power. Wouldn't that make him alive? It carries a personality, it responds to stimuli, and it exists therefore it is alive...therfore it has midicholorians...therefore it can be succumbed to the Force without any trouble. It won't even know the Force exists until too late to even think.
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Oh yeah, sure the Borg can adapt. What about a Imperial repeater rifle or a concussion rifle. Adapt to our variety of weapons. We even have rail launchers. They cannot adapt phisically.
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Now, now...the Borg have to walk up and touch the bare skin of a storm trooper. Storm Trooper armor is made to withstand physical blows. Arrow hits armor and armor does not dent. Spear hits it and it still does not dent.
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Your ST people are too lazy to actually get down and dirty on a planet. All you do is push a button to make the enemy go away! Lazy assholds with sexualy attraction to each other. I wonder how you guys hide a erection in that suit.
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Klingons are nothing compared to Wookies. Each Klingon is nothing. Wookie comes in and snaps the necks of three Klingons. Also, your warrior race is a coward! Why do your Birds-of-prey have stealth modules on them? WTF is that for? What kind of warriors your people are? Warriors? HAHAHA! Boba Fett and Jango Fett are the real warriors!

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:19 pm

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CoughMastersingularity-thinks-that-DV-is-stupid-enough-too-believe-in-that-homo-Picardcough. We even have our own songs and a very large fan base!
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I've only seen phasers vaporize other enemies in the first ST. In the secone you had different settings...blah Do you have flamethrowers, jetpacks, and balls to face SWs in blaster to hand combat? You sit in your seats and push bottons.
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Docking is no problem with a airlock desigsned to punch through a hull and keep the ship under a very powerful tractor beam. This is what SW space pirates use. No need for that silly beaming technology.
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All your aliens are more human than alien. Have you not notice that? *watches arachnid like creatures devour halpless away teams*
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Did you know your computer systems are always suspectible to hackers. YES, there are hackers in SW. Read the books.
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Did you expect this from a hard core SW fan? I know my STs very well thankyou and I always hated it in a different way...go read the Art of War!
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Babylon Five lovers out there...its dinner time and I'm feasting on you tonight...
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You guys don't use light speed.
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Those wierd hair doos make the ambassador look homo
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The shadows are too old to fight.
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The volcrons or whatever...are too slow to fight.

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No matter how big your laser beams are or how long. They cannot penetrate SW shielding. I noticed when a laser hits, and it is twice the size of the small X-wing clone, it does not destroy it. It takes dozens of laser blasts to do enough damage.
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Those tecno mages are jedi-clones
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SW has alot more plagues than that, we should just unleash mutated ones on the ST and B5 universes.

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Your holograms are copies of the ones in ST
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Gotta love that biosohere inside the station; the Yugovanslav will take care of that...
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hehehe, I told you we will EAT JOO!!! Didn't think I knew my B5 did you now, huh?

n305er · Post by **n305er** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:53 pm

Time Travel.
Continuem...
Q
Thinks...
Made mistake, lost powers.
Go back
Fix mistake.
Force sense trouble.
Force can't see future or will not exist in past.

Get it?

That's the best weapon ST has... Simple, Cheating.. But it wins...
Just like How star wars can use every excuse using The force to cheat every stucked chapter in the book.

And oh... I'll just lunch genesis into you wonderful SW planets and made them a 2 days paradise and Poof! Bye bye...

Remember ST Insurrection? Trekers can LIVE among you guys without even you noticing for months... And the next thing you know, you guys are on a fake enviroment of Holograms. Eating Hologram, Drinking hologram and (never tested but) Shitting Holograms..

B5 has telepaths. B5 have biotech. B5 have a community of 6 people who can take over and rule an entire planet. B5 have has lousy CGI and you still watch them.

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