United States to resurrect plutonium production program

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:56 pm

star wars isn't in use. It required the satelite thing to shoot a laser at a fired nuke to bring it down. The chances of it hitting were like under 25% with really good conditions. They had a better chance just shooting it down with a jet.

During the prime of the Cold War, US was like capable of shooting down like 8 out of 12 nukes or something.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:00 pm

Only because the nukes were carried by bombers, which are a lot easier to bring down than missiles.

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:06 pm

no they were already fired. my teacher said so.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:08 pm

I see. Another victim of public education?

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:25 pm

The US has a very short list of potential enemies. I think you can forget the sand people (Saudi-Arabia, Iran...) and North Korea. They are way to low tech and too far away to successfully launch missiles at american targets. USA is more concerned of its allies in the area. China (and later, India) seems to have opened itself to the global economy and it's already too late to begin with anti-USA politics. Why would they? That is, of course, if a new ultranationalist movement doesn't stir up the vulnerable one-party system.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:41 pm

Vulnerable? The Chinese communist party is like a big ol' leather boot filled with concrete. It's just as dumb as you'd imagine it to be and it ain't going anywhere.

Post by **King of Creation** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:03 am

Kashluk wrote:So have I understood this correclty, or what? KoC still believes the cold war is raging on?

It kind of is. Putin hates Bush and the US. Russia has the second largest nuclear arsenal. All of these non-proliferation treaties and decommision treaties like the START programs are aimed pretty much solely at the US and Russia. Also, I think we should do something about Chechnya instead of sitting on our asses and pretending ethnic cleansing isn't taking place. Cause it is. Russia sucks. There I said it.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:30 am

Have you ever seen a chechen national? Have you ever read the history of Chechnya? Do you know that they still have slavery there, and that stealing is considered an honorable and manly activity?

Shit, you should thank Russia for making it possible that an incredibly thin social layer of urban Chechyens could develop at all. Oh wait a minute - urban civilized Chechyens don't like rural Chechyen clansmen who engage in kidnappings, extortion, torture, drug trade, and terrorism! Oops!

Post by **King of Creation** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:58 am

You would resort to the same things too if your people were being ethnically cleansed. The fact of the matter is that Russia is clearly the aggressor in the situation.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:19 am

King of Creation wrote:You would resort to the same things too if your people were being ethnically cleansed. The fact of the matter is that Russia is clearly the aggressor in the situation.

Sure, just like the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is no moral or political differentiation between the US-Iraq situation, the Russia-Chechnya situation or the Israel-Palestine situation. Especially not between Russia and Israel, because both have problems resulting from conquests made more than half a century ago and are now at a stalemate.

What's Russia supposed to do? Give up Chechnya? They fought for 300 years to conquer that little patch of land, I'll have you know.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:35 am

They aren't doing it for freedom. They are doing it for the money. Same reason why they collaborated with Nazis during WW2. It was never about freedom and democracy. And there's no such thing as Chechyen ethnic cleansing, it's a ploy used to gather money for their "aid support" scams. Chechyens are being treated a LOT better than they treat Russians, when the power is on their side.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:52 am

US-Iraq analogy is misplaced. Iraqis are civilized. Chechyens are not. Iraq has a chance to become a stable country. Chechnya doesn't stand a chance in hell. If Russia were to withdraw its support of civilian government, the whole thing would collapse back to anarchy of tribal warfare.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:51 pm

Kashluk wrote:Vulnerable? The Chinese communist party is like a big ol' leather boot filled with concrete. It's just as dumb as you'd imagine it to be and it ain't going anywhere.

China used to be an low educated agrarian society, where it was possible for one big workers party to rule. However, as the society evolves into a more global society, people start to demand changes. The people get access to the interweb(just passed 100 mil. users a while ago) and other 'western' stuff, they substitute these views into their old customs. Education and culture becomes more important in everyday life. A middle-class didn't even exist in China 20 years ago.
They've already ditched communism, but can the (communist) party assure the citizens that this is the best possible structure of government. In the long run, I doubt it.

Post by **King of Creation** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:50 pm

Do any of you even know what ethnic cleansing is?

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:55 pm

Shampoo for black people?

Post by **King of Creation** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:17 pm

It's the forceful removal of an ethnic group from an area. Most of the time, people confuse ethnic cleansing with genocide, but there's a big difference. Although, some argue that what Russia has been doing in Chechnya amounts to genocide.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:33 pm

And the international community should care - why, again? Even their neighbours don't like Chechens. Maybe they should stop sending raiding parties to souvereign countries and blowing up their neighbours' schools, eh?

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:34 pm

Well "removal" can pretty much cover genocide, don't you think?

I agree with Kharn on the part that Russia/Chechenya ain't any different than the stuff that's boiling in Iraq and Afghanistan for example. I couldn't care less, really, but it's all kettles and pots calling negroe shots yo yo.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:45 pm

That is an EXCELLENT reason to be sympathetic to kidnappers, drug dealers, and terrorists. Why, those poor child killers, we must punish the dead children's parents for making the Chechens grow up to be so naughty (like, launching Chechnya from stone age into 20th century, providing city jobs, education, military training, law enforcement)! Boo hoo hoo, Nazi bad, terrorist good, aww...

Post by **King of Creation** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:20 pm

Oh yeah..cause EVERY Chechen is a fucking terrorist. Are you stupid? The majority of terrorist attacks in that area are done by foreign groups who claim to fight for the Chechen cause. NOT Chechnyans. And even if they were all Chechens, they would have a DAMN GOOD REASON FOR KILLING AS MANY RUSSIANS AS POSSIBLE. In the history of the world, there has never been such an outrageous genocide or ethnic cleansing of a people. Russia has killed or uprooted more than half of the entire Chechen population. HALF.