The Fall 2 not to be like Fallout 2!

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:13 pm

[ Game -> Update ] - More info on <a href="http://wikipocalypse.duckandcover.cx/in ... ?title=The Fall: Last Days of Gaia">Game: The Fall: Last Days of Gaia</a>

Carsten Strehse hasn't gotten The Fall released in most of the world <a href="http://www.silver-style.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5999" target="_self">but is talking sequels now</a>:
<blockquote>
more tactical possibilities and optimized opponent behavior in the fights - yes

Turn Based combat - no

More freedom of action and interaction with the environment - yes

More focus on the game world and less on the story - no

UI optimizations - yes

New controls - no

More humor - yes

"Slapstick comedy" like FO2 - no
</blockquote>
 Is Carsten namedropping Fallout again?

Spotted @ <a href="http://www.nma-fallout.com">No Mutants Allowed</a>

Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:39 pm

He's giving us more tactical possibilities but ditching turn-based combat? The irony hurts my prostate.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:53 pm

We need to stop giving Fallout 2 shit.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:58 pm

Yes, you are right as usual mon ami, Fallout 2 has enough shit as it is.

Koki · Post by **Koki** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:05 pm

I liked it.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:08 pm

What, the Fallout 2 or the shit?

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:33 pm

Fallout 2, which was utter shit. These terms are interchangeable. I, for example, make Fallout 2 every day in the privacy of my bathroom.

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:37 pm

ApTyp wrote:I, for example, make Fallout 2 every day in the privacy of my bathroom.

Assuming you haven't done so already, you should consider a career in game design. The industry could do with something playable, which Fallout 2 was, though just barely.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:44 pm

ApTyp wrote:Fallout 2, which was utter shit. These terms are interchangeable. I, for example, make Fallout 2 every day in the privacy of my bathroom.

You're not as versed in the use of "utter shit" as Subhuman.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:50 pm

Maybe that's because I don't eat utter Fallout 2 as part of a balanced breakfast.

Koki · Post by **Koki** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:25 pm

Kharn wrote:What, the Fallout 2 or the shit?

Fallout 2. I thinkit's because of three reasons:

- I played FO2 first;
- I'm from third-world country without TV so I wouldn't get most popculture references;
- I rarely cared to read all that chit on the screen, really

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:46 pm

You had the game badly translated in Polish mebbe

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:58 pm

Fallout 2 still beats most of CRPGs out there. Why? SPECIAL, turn-based combat and non-linearity are definitely FO2's best characteristics. But, after playing the original Fallout, Fallout 2 felt like a disappointment. It didn't feel like a sequel; It felt more like an add-on with more guns, sex, monsters, easter eggs and bugs stuffed in it. It replaced the wastelandish survival retro theme with casinos and whores, of what Fallout, sadly, is known of to the large majority of players. It's interesting to see which approach Bethesda is going to take.

On another sidenote, half of Fallout Bible consists of explainations to the inconsistencies in Fallout 2.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:01 pm

MORROWIND WITH GUNS I TELL YA!!! GARGH!!!

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:00 am

vassika is right, FO2 is still one of the best RPGs despite its flaws.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:12 am

S4ur0n27 wrote:You had the game badly translated in Polish mebbe

Everyone played Fallouts in English, since translations have only been available for a few years, and many people think it sucks to play Fallout in Polish be it only for the fact that the same things don't feel the same in different languages, irrespective of which language is source and which is target. I mean you can try to get as close as possible, that's what real translation is about, but sometimes you only try. As a bilingual person, which I assume you are, you should know this Susan.

Koki · Post by **Koki** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:06 am

bilingual? Is this some disease

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:07 pm

I'm tri (or quatro?) lingual, does this make me the anus master?

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:38 pm

PiP wrote:As a bilingual person, which I assume you are, you should know this Susan.

Yeah, I was just posting a joke or something.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:30 pm

yea, I got that instantly, but anyway I thought I'd tell you about Fallout being played in English in Poland.

ed.: And bad translations actually happen quite often (like the crappy translation of the words "genie" and "elemental" in BG series and others; battlecries also suck), but Fallout trasnlation was done by a team of fans (including Ausir I guess), so probably it's not bad as a translation; point is any translation is somewhat bad as such.
Think of translating something like "there must be a killer reason for standing in my shadow"(Fallout) - you can come up with a similar pun, but even the tone of voice characteristic for English Vs Polish will change the final impact of the phrase; anyway any puns and things like spelling-resembling-jargon (eg. pirate) are damn hard to render in a medium other than original.