Jack Thompson - A child at heart?

[Smiley]

I don't know how many people interest themselves in the deal between Jack Thompson and games which contain explicit material content.

I do wonder though, what the rating for Fallout 3 is going to be, since the first two hinted at sex as well as FoT, and FOBOS almost included it.
(And if people remember, the promotion packet of FOBOS sent to p/reviewers contained condoms).

Fallout does have a mature almost adult theme imo..

For those who don't know Jack Thompson:
He's the guy who initiated the case for GTA:SA's Hot Coffee mod, which showed some possibility for sex scenes between CJ and the women he dates throughout the game.

Linkies:

See the hot action! *NOT* worksafe. Unless your boss can handle a bit of pixel porn.
Interview with Jack
Interview with VG-Cats
Interview with Ctrl+Alt+Del

VG-Cats
Jack's noble endeavor.. of getting money..

Anyway, what surprised me earlier today was the emails between cartoonist Scott of VGcats and Jackowacko as I now like to call him after reading them, are way out..

Are all of you gamers on drugs?

EDIT

Here's an article on gaming-violence, and how it affects some youth.
With nifty graphs

[Thor Kaufman]

No sane man gives a fuck about what such idiots think, you're an idiot, Smiley.

[Smiley]

But only if I did give a fuck about what he thinks.

I do give a royal fuck about what happens to the games we buy though. And is Fo3 is going to be monitored in the same way and maybe be rated Ao, then I give an even bigger fuck.

EDIT: None-the-less, I still think the e-mails are funny.

[Blargh]

If I can't find my ration of claret through a computer, I shall have to go and draw forth my own, from the real, living cretins of this horrible world.

That'll show the inane twits.

And then they can lie in it.

[VasikkA]

Violence has always been a part of the game industry as well as in any other art form. Same thing with sex. I personally don't find sexual mini games like the one in GTA offensive or even arousing. Silly and immature more like. The difference is probably that movies have a functional age rating system, whereas the system in games is rather new and lacking in most countries. It's a matter of personal choice what you play and what you let your kids to play. You don't go to a video rental and rent a porn movie, if you find it offensive. It's as simple as that.

The mature theme in Fallout 2 wasn't necessary. The drugs and whores and all that was fine, but at certain places(read: New Reno)it was too excessive. I don't give a fuck what rating Fallout 3 is going to have. It's not my problem if the sale numbers suffer from that.

I find the discussion with graphic violence a bit naive, because computer games depict violence as pixels, not with real persons like in movies. Ultimately, what you see on the screen isn't really important. Tuning down the gore in games can be a stupid thing to do, as it can give you an impression that killing is a rather harmless procedure. This can also make you feel numb to human life, I've noticed. Which is more dangerous to kids, an ultra realistic first-person shooter or a strategy game where you can play Hitler and conquer and enslave entire nations?

[Smiley]

That's a pretty sharp perception, regarding the impact, downtuning gore has...

I've never thought of it that way, and it makes total sense..

Because you come out looking like you'll never face any consequences of killing anyone, or even experience the horror which lies behind the guts spilling all over the floor.

But then again, some gunshot wounds irl are far more tame than in-game..

We also have to remember that youth today is far less impressed by the technology we have to copy realism in games...

Like my friend said; "When I showed Doom 3 to my mom (He's 20, and lives at home :roll:), her response was, oh my god, that's so realistic... that's so wrong..!"

So that way it doesn't give much indication of what killing a real person would be like.

Which is more dangerous to kids, an ultra realistic first-person shooter or a strategy game where you can play Hitler and conquer and enslave entire nations?

I think the First Person Shooter is the more dangerous of the two, since it's far more likely to happen, that you find a kid who emulates a killer, rather than a world-conquerer.

[Blargh]

that you find a kid who emulates a killer, rather than a world-conquerer.

Bollocks ! Spurious conclusion, Smiley. Why O why would I play Civilisation, if not preparation ? Only a matter of time.

[VasikkA]

I think the First Person Shooter is the more dangerous of the two, since it's far more likely to happen, that you find a kid who emulates a killer, rather than a world-conquerer.

I was thinking of the games effect on one's mentality and values, which is far more important than the rare psychopath school shootouts. Shooting everybody in a classroom "just becuse it looked cool in Doom" is a sign of severe social or mental issues. A computer game can have some effect, but they are only partially to blame if at all. Strategy games, however, can form the way you think of warfare and civilians, for example. It's remarkable how easy it is to slay or enslave people in Total War or nuke the crap out of the Chinese in Civilization. Does that even subliminally make you respect less tolerance or the sanctity of human life? I don't know the answer, but I find that worth exploring.

[Smiley]

Does that even subliminally make you respect less tolerance or the sanctity of human life?

In my personal view? no, I don't think so.
Maybe because I can distinct between real life and games when I'm faced with a real-life situation.
Like a fist fight.

I was provoked by a bunch of kids (Four 12-14 year olds), who were from one of the ghettos. They were smart-assed and half-brained, and I have no doubt that even though I wouldn't have come out of it unscathed. But I would have won. And I could have severely hurt them, which I would've ended up doing if it became more serious; so I walked away.

I wonder if they knew the difference though, before it would be too late? So that someday, they'll hurt someone really bad, or maybe even kill the poor kid or someone who can't take care of themselves.
But more than likely they're affected less by games than hardcore gangsta rappers, like they were dressed up as...

Bollocks ! Spurious conclusion, Smiley. Why O why would I play Civilisation, if not preparation ? Only a matter of time.

Just keep me on the right side of the apocalypse please.

[St. Toxic]

Man, that SA sex-thing sure looks retarded and pointless. A black renegade, caught up between gangwars and bent cops, trying to save his hood at any cost - while you control his love-moves? What?

Also, I think further improvements on f. ex Black and White-type o' games, are the 'would-be-dangerous' ones when it comes to braindead youngsters. Come on, a big goddamn kingdom with thousands of sheep-like inhabitants ( and their kids ), that I can throw into walls and smash with rocks, destroy their life-long works and force them into jobs - you get quite a taste for it after a while, being God that is. Surelly the next step up is keeping people locked up in your basement, fit for torture and humiliation?

I'm eagerly awaiting all games to adapt to a similar level of emotion and scale - maybe that'll put us closer to total apathy and international destruction - but it'll probably take some time. I don't remember any fps that actually had bad guys you could pity killing ( as working around emotions, such as pity, is the key to successful mass-genocide asf ), and neither have I seen any gore worthy of rl reconstruction ( maybe we'll get some physics-induced blood in the next few years? ) so I'd say fps is still out.

But rts sounds like a 'could be' - the constant focus on numbers, rather than humanity, should open some new mental doorways.

[POOPERSCOOPER]

thompas is a swell guy. He said hes going to intiate a campaign against the ESRB if they dont change the rating for Killer7. The only reason hes going to do it is because IGNs review says "there is a full blown sex scene" in it. The guy never actually sees half the shit he complains about.

The scene is some guy in a wheelchair with a girl on top of him moaning. You can't see any intercourse or nudity.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/639/639809p1.html

[Thor Kaufman]

Come on, mates, it's not the computer games that are the problems.

The problem is that a major part of the population is starting to believe fucktards such as him.

Besides, computer games can be good for some kind of "katharsis", like you pwn in fps instead hurting people irl?



It is comparable to the quality of kids TV I think, like in the late 80s there were educational and healthy programmes like Turtles, GI Joe for the US I think, Knight Rider, A-Team, who told the right stuff like fuck the bad dudes up and don't bitch about irrelevant stuff.

And today it's like pokemon and other shit and omg don't hurt people but be a whiny bitch and get assfucked instead?


ah well however :chew:

[Smiley]

While we're talking about idiotic things mr. jackowacko is doing:
Next he'll go after Barbie! ...Well that wouldn't be a bad thing per sé..

And today it's like pokemon and other shit and omg don't hurt people but be a whiny bitch and get assfucked instead?

Not a bad point actually, because people don't learn how to stand up for themselves anymore, and if they do, it's because they have a shitload of imaginary friends backing them up, saying, "You can doo it!!! Doooo it!"

Which seems like peer-pressure, but in a nice way, heh.

[VasikkA]

I've always thought that all anime should be banned. I'm sure if you watch closely enough you'll notice subliminal messages that predispose you to japanese propaganda in their grand scheme to attain world domination. I'd rather see my kids shooting demons with a BFG than watching big-eyed, cute asiatic schoolgirls with pink hair fighting enormous robots. If I'd have kids, that is.

[Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD]

That guy is fucked.

Pulling a game off the shelves for something that the internet is 90% made up of?

Holy shit, we can't have our kids playing games with sex in them but we can let them roam the internet and download tenticle porn and that fucked up torture hentai.

[Wolfman Walt]

Actually, we're just pulling well publicized games off the shelves. I can still get God of War from walmart which apperently has better sex content.

Edit: Also -

Q: Are video games an escapism
A:Yes, just as Ted Bundy escaped into pornography. It is not a release of aggression. It is training for aggression.

So porn has been training me to be an angry white man all these years? Why wasn't I told!?

[Raymondo]

I like it how he gets two different concepts and acts like their comparable.

A = B so X must = Z.

And the fact that he's basing it from a sociopath, who was known for lying and cheating his way out of things, is fucking brain dead. He's taking an opinion of a serial killer, of all people, and relating it with something else then trying to turn into a fact. Brain dead motherfucker.

[Spazmo]

So porn has been training me to be an angry white man all these years? Why wasn't I told!?

You have been now! Go, now! Watch porn and murder a great deal of people--it is your destiny!

[Thor Kaufman]

fucking rapists

[LlamaGod]

After playing Panzer General as a kid, I am going to assembly an army and take over Europe and set jews on fire because ITS INFLUENCING.