The Movies, Music, and Games thread

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:44 pm

Spazmo wrote:
S4ur0n27 wrote:I think I remember Spazmo bitching about PJ and LotR, so I guess King Kong really is good.
Eh, no. I really liked LOTR, except for the ending that dragged on forever in the last one. It was atoga who was badmouthing the LOTR movies for the iconoclastic coolness of it.

Damn right.

vx trauma · Post by **vx trauma** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:23 pm

Salmon flavored toothpaste.

Aonaran · Post by **Aonaran** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:01 am

atoga wrote:
Spazmo wrote:
S4ur0n27 wrote:I think I remember Spazmo bitching about PJ and LotR, so I guess King Kong really is good.
Eh, no. I really liked LOTR, except for the ending that dragged on forever in the last one. It was atoga who was badmouthing the LOTR movies for the iconoclastic coolness of it.
Damn right.

I just dislike it (LOTR) for the obvious reason, it isn't worth a shit.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:58 am

Well, that too. But I have a harder time arguing for that because so many people are all over it.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:56 am

Elves, orcs and pompous language... do you need any more reasons to hate it?

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:14 pm

point your fingers and laugh at me, but I love LOTR - it's because it was my _beloved_ book from childhood (together with the Hobbit), and hence my present (foolish?) sentiment. It's like a child's dream coming true. As a child I actually both dreamed of a film based on LOTR and didn't want it at the same time, being afraid that it won't do the book justice (in terms of visuals and atmosphere); I didn't realise how powerful computers would soon emerge as filmmaking tools. Of course the film isn't perfect, like they didn't include lots of things, but they had to cut it down to a reasonable length.
Ok now I'll go vote for feelings online.

Lunchmeat · Post by **Lunchmeat** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:18 pm

Anyone else notice this guy

in the third one?

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:56 pm

PiP wrote:point your fingers and laugh at me, but I love LOTR - it's because it was my _beloved_ book from childhood (together with the Hobbit),

I felt the same way, but I didn't like the movies so much. I mean, as movies, the first one was brilliant, the second was okay and the third was boring.

vendetta · Post by **vendetta** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:51 pm

I find it hard to enjoy fucking fantastic movies just as Star Wars since the actors take it so seriously and the dialogs are so boring and pompous (like said above).

And it's always the same story: protagonists saving the world from the big baddies. You know they gonna win, so why bother?

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:38 pm

vendetta wrote:I find it hard to enjoy fucking fantastic movies just as Star Wars since the actors take it so seriously

this is pure crap. If the actors were not taking it seriously, the films would be worthless. "Making it look credible" is being an actor. Without it, the viewer's immersion would = nil. "Fantastic", as you call it, films are for people who can and want to identify with an imaginary situation. Then again it's merely a costume and the film's worth boils down to factors far away from the fantastic/realistic dichotomy.

And it's always the same story: protagonists saving the world from the big baddies. You know they gonna win, so why bother?

No, not always, only in legend/fairy-tale styled flicks, based on a legend or made for (bigger) children (like LOTR) (where it's kind of self-explainatory), and in some silly Hollywood productions like... the Fifth Element. Have toy seen Solaris? 12monkeys? Space Odyssey? Blade Runner? eXistenZ? Brazil? even Alien? They aren't of the "hero beats bad guys" type; sometimes it's not so obvious who's bad, sometimes it's not so obvious what is victory, sometimes the victory is limited and bound with sacrifice, sometimes the protagonists suffers plain defeat.
Whether a film belongs to this category or not, does not depend on the type of setting, not in the least.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:45 pm

I find it funny that only one of the three LotR movies has a happy ending and that is considered to be the worst ending of them all.

An open ending gives you a "Wow, I wan't more!" kind of feeling. Not always.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:15 pm

It's not only the ending of the third one that sucked, it's the whole movie.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:21 pm

Or the fact that it didn't end. Or something.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:49 pm

What?

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:51 pm

I meant the ending could have been shorter. Nevermind.

vendetta · Post by **vendetta** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:53 pm

PiP wrote:
vendetta wrote:I find it hard to enjoy fucking fantastic movies just as Star Wars since the actors take it so seriously
this is pure crap. If the actors were not taking it seriously, the films would be worthless. "Making it look credible" is being an actor. Without it, the viewer's immersion would = nil. "Fantastic", as you call it, films are for people who can and want to identify with an imaginary situation. Then again it's merely a costume and the film's worth boils down to factors far away from the fantastic/realistic dichotomy.

Okay. I didn't explain myself correctly. I mean that since a fantastic/science/fiction/etc movie is not real by its nature, why does it have to be so serious?

Now, from the list of movies you list, Brazil, is the only I've seen yet in this list, and it is actually the kind of fantastical movie I like to watch. Why? Because it doesn't take itself seriously, and that there's no "we have to save the world" plot in it. It's a mere comedy turned into a nightmare.

That's why I can't get into movies such as LOTR. The serious tone in dialogs and everything else just destroys everything.

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:05 am

OK, so what fantasy or SF epic should be made next?

Elric?
That would be more of a serial.

Earthsea already had a huge dump taken on it, so feh.

Snow/Summer Queen? Ohhhh...

Footfall?

Ideas?

vx trauma · Post by **vx trauma** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:08 am

Marshal Law. And the kikes of hollowood should be shot at 1000 yards or closer to the set.
-ENDE

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:46 pm

it's kinda funny that many of my childhood(or adolescence) books get filmed these days; LOTR is obvious, now it's Narnia (though I guess there used to be some previous screening), and Earthsee. Earthsee as I hear was turned into a silly Potter-like teenage flick, which is sad. From what I've seen in the Narnia trailer, the house to which the protagonists come at start is like a marvellous castle, while from what I remember from the book (and it's been quite a few years) it was just an ordinary house. If the whole film is done according to this 'to impress and overwhelm with splendour' principle, it's gonna suck.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:41 pm

I had not even heard of Narnia before this hysterical hype that's going on right now. From what I've heard, it's hip and more alternative than LotR. I don't really care, but sometimes the collective stupidity amazes me.