More proof that Bethesda is going to destroy Fallout

Fa11lloutfan_15 · Post by **Fa11lloutfan_15** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:37 pm

Redeye wrote:
armyguy16 wrote:No thanks, I'm not a communist. I'll join you in saying Bethesda is full of fucking money hungry pieces of flaming shit, that make shitty games, and are going to make another shitty title called Fallout 3, thats going to be bought by a bunch of retards, the major gaming review sites are going to be paid off to say its great, kinda like what happened with Oblivion I think, then they're going to make a sequel called Fallout 4, thats going to be after some kind of big magical breakthrough between worlds, meaning that Fallout and the Elder Scrolls will be combined just to save time and production costs, though.
I read somewhere that Beth acquired the PC rights to Rifts...

Seriously, I almost choked on what I was eating when I read that...

St. Toxic · Post by **St. Toxic** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:47 am

Still, man, this purchace addon thing... I wasn't enraged at first, since I honestly don't give a toss, but damn, it's coming around. You need a sick fucking mind to do that kind of thing. Really, what kind of devilspawn got this singleplayer-mmo idea in the first place?

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:17 am

St. Toxic wrote:Still, man, this purchace addon thing... I wasn't enraged at first, since I honestly don't give a toss, but damn, it's coming around. You need a sick fucking mind to do that kind of thing. Really, what kind of devilspawn got this singleplayer-mmo idea in the first place?

Ever try DMing yourself in P&P?

Like tring to play cards with yourself but worse.

"Hey, lets have the computer help!"

I've long thought it would be great if I could have all of my old AD&D and D&D modules plugged into a map of The World of Greyhawk and be able
to wander around hiring people for expeditions, stealing shit, etc.

If only...

Of course no AI likely to be developed could handle it...

I'd just end up with something like every NWN campaign and add-on and
fan made module all stuck together as a "world".

Fuck that.

Scumbag · Post by **Scumbag** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:10 am

The Orrey is worth quite a bit more than they are selling it for.

Post by **King of Creation** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:32 am

armyguy16 wrote:TDidn't they say they were going to reuse the engines Oblivion used?

Nothing is really solidly confirmed, but from what's been said, it looks like FO3 will be based on Oblivion technology.

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:37 am

King of Creation wrote:
armyguy16 wrote:TDidn't they say they were going to reuse the engines Oblivion used?
Nothing is really solidly confirmed, but from what's been said, it looks like FO3 will be based on Oblivion technology.

If they use a tested engine, they'll get it done faster.

So what?

Just toss in a stat-based autocombat option with pauses for intracombat tactical changes and then spend the leftover energy on dynamic dialogue and multifaceted quests.

I'm sure the Devs know what the problems are.

armyguy16 · Post by **armyguy16** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:28 pm

Scumbag wrote:The Orrey is worth quite a bit more than they are selling it for.

Weird, when you can finish it in fifteen minutes or less, like most quests in Oblivion.

By your reasoning, I guess maybe they should charge say..five bucks for it? Going with that, say they decide the "expansions" to Oblivion are just going to be purchased off the 'net. Now, I'm just guessing here, but I'd say a regular $30 expansion would have maybe 30-40 new quests in it, large and small ones, adding maybe 10-15 more hours worth of gameplay or some such. Take that example and multiply, oh maybe 35 new quests (maybe 15 longer ones compared to 20 short ones) by five and thats anywhere from $175 to $75 bucks for all these just brilliant quests that Bethesda has graced us with. However, going with the price right now per quest ($1.89) that's roughly anywhere between $66.15 and $28.35 (the second being more reasonable except for the people who don't have credit cards).

What about the Horse Armor? I've read press releases where Bethesda had that IN GAME before they released it, and now, suddenly, you have to pay more for it when they had already announced it in game? That's pretty fuckin shitty for them to do that. Just a guess here again, but if Bethesda decides to do say 10 add-on's like this at $1.99 per download, that's $19.90.

Now, put the cost of all their estimated amount of shitty little add-on's together, added with the game and the total comes up as:

X-Box 360- Your reasoning is anywhere from $254.90 to $154.90; Price as is right now is anywhere from $146.05 to $108.25

PC- Your reasoning is anywhere from $244.90 to $144.90; Price as is right now is anywhere from $136.05 to $98.25

That seems really suspicious to me. In fact, you seem really suspicious to me. You sound like you work for Bethesda or something. Or maybe you are just one of their die-hard fantasy fan boys who would blow a thousand queers with AIDS just to worship Todd Howards feet. Either way, you're still a douche bag and a moron.

Maybe if Bethesda really cared about it's fanbase, it would give these rather shitty little modules out for free, instead of ripping off their already rather dumb/and or childish (as in young teens or mentally ill patients) fans.

It's not just that I think Bethesda is going to fuck Fallout to hell and back, it's just that I think Bethesda is full of money hungry cunts who slop together a goofy game and watch as it gets bought up by the same nerds that have made Final Fantasy and World of Warcraft sell so much.

box · Post by **box** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:45 pm

Scumbucket wrote:The Orrey is worth quite a bit more than they are selling it for.

What the hell?!

1. Define retail price for a fucking downloadable pc game add-on, cunt
2. Who the fuck pays retail for anything, dipshit?

Hey Tater Tot-- is this the kind of NEW GAMING DIRECTION, EvoLuT10N of the SERiEs, and trend setting you want to see, fucking charging people for shit THAT SHOULD COME WITH THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!

No, if a company feeds you shit on a spoon, then you have no one but yourself to blame when you say "Yummy! More please! Plane in the hangar!" Mmmmnnnnm. Asswitch.

Koki · Post by **Koki** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:01 pm

Heh, this reminds me, someone said once that the fact that Oblivion had bugs and that it was unplayable without fan modding meant - you won't believe it - that it was ahead of it's time.

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:50 pm

Koki wrote:Heh, this reminds me, someone said once that the fact that Oblivion had bugs and that it was unplayable without fan modding meant - you won't believe it - that it was ahead of it's time.

"ahead of its time"

eh, indeed.

released, that is

perhaps another year of dev. would have been in order.

Scumbag · Post by **Scumbag** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:52 pm

Weird, when you can finish it in fifteen minutes or less, like most quests in Oblivion.

Well, you can then get buffs every month, so it's not as if it's a one-shot thing. There's worse things I can do with two bucks.

What about the Horse Armor?

Didn't care for it, didn't get it. I plan on getting the other one when it comes out, though. It's two bucks, it's not a big deal.

fucking charging people for shit THAT SHOULD COME WITH THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!

I agree that the Orrey was in there, but I have no real issues with paying two bucks for it. If they make 10 of these that I want (has to be new locations / objects, personally), I'm out the massive sum of 20 bucks. Big whoop.

armyguy16 · Post by **armyguy16** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:54 pm

You're completely ignoring the point I just made.

If they make 10 of these that I want (has to be new locations / objects, personally), I'm out the massive sum of 20 bucks. Big whoop.

Personally, you're a fuckin retard. That's still a rip off. Twenty bucks for 10 shitty little quests that you can finish in two or three hours. I'd rather put that twenty dollars in my gas tank then get anal raped by some stupid ass company over stupid shit that they should've put in game when it shipped, but no, all Bethesda cares about is the money signs, not their fanbase. It's fucktards like you that's the reason so many games are shit right now, since your personal philisophy is that if it sales alot, then it's good. I guess with that reasoning, then fucking Pokemon is one of the best games out there, right?

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:07 pm

Scumbag wrote:
I agree that the Orrey was in there, but I have no real issues with paying two bucks for it. If they make 10 of these that I want (has to be new locations / objects, personally), I'm out the massive sum of 20 bucks. Big whoop.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that Pegasus mod.

But then they have to add the moons.

Perhaps an underworld?

Ships?

Isle of Dread?

Combine Invasion?

box · Post by **box** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:17 pm

Yeah, all that's fine if we're talking about some new scheme whereby you can choose, line-item, what you want from a full game expansion. That way, it might look like you're saving some $$, seeing as though expansions can be up to 40 dollars and usually run you a good 30.

In order for this to work though, Tiddlywinks, the content being offered has to meet or exceed expectations for a real, full-blown expansion. I don't see that here. What I see is some of that good ol' fashioned goldbrickin', and poorly executed at that. Please. A trendy new dawn in pc gaming, my hairy German ass.

Most games, including Rome: Total War, included cosmetic unit improvements, maps, and shit in a PATCH, that you, Cochise, YOU would have us pay for. Is that next? Essential game fixes and updates that only cost $1.89 [and a DSL connection]?

armyguy16 · Post by **armyguy16** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:22 pm

By the way jackass, I'm still waiting on my fucking patch so my goddamn game doesn't crash every other time I get to a loading screen. Go talk to your little buddies at Bethesda and get the fuck on it since fans carry so much weight with Bethesda.

armyguy16 · Post by **armyguy16** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:48 pm

I better not have to pay for the fucker either.

Cimmerian Nights · Post by **Cimmerian Nights** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:33 am

Scumbag wrote:I'm out the massive sum of 20 bucks. Big whoop.

Yeah fuck the money, who's actually this bored though? Was this thing not released like 2 weeks ago?

Scumbag · Post by **Scumbag** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:10 am

That's still a rip off. Twenty bucks for 10 shitty little quests that you can finish in two or three hours.

If I only spent 2 bucks on each, I could care less if they only take an hour or two to complete. If I spend 20 bucks on 10 missions, and I only enjoy 10 of 'em, I've 'wasted' 10 clams. Big. Whoop.

stupid shit that they should've put in game when it shipped, but no, all Bethesda cares about is the money signs, not their fanbase.

I've had people claim I'm working for Bethesda here, but it seems it's you who is - after all, you know what should have been in the game.

It's fucktards like you that's the reason so many games are shit right now, since your personal philisophy is that if it sales alot, then it's good.

I'm a mainstream gamer, my will be done.

In order for this to work though, Tiddlywinks, the content being offered has to meet or exceed expectations for a real, full-blown expansion. I don't see that here.

Actually, it only has to meet or exceed the expectations of the value of 200 pennies. Me, I had more than 2 bucks worth of enjoyment from the Orrey. Horse armor? Prolly wouldn't, so I didn't pay for it. That new one? I'll prolly pay 200 pennies for it.

Yeah fuck the money, who's actually this bored though?

I'm not bored enough to need it, I figured the Orrey had enough added to see if it's worth 2 bucks to do it. For me, it was.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:15 am

I'm a mainstream gamer, my will be done.

Make that his tag.

Stainless · Post by **Stainless** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:31 am

Dogmeatlives wrote:
armyguy16 wrote:The Vault Dweller I always played would just go in guns blazing and ask the dead bodies questions later. Unless they offered him money..or booze or something.
Or women... but he could probably kill them and take that shit anyway. It pisses me off that they are using the same engine as oblivion. They are two totally different types of games! I'm not buying the game if it sucks! Join me in my battle against corporate rule!

From what I remember of the interview the Oblivion engine can use different view points, and isn't just limited to First/Third person. So there may still be hope for an isometric.