The Drugs, Alcohol, and Tobacco thread

Frater Perdurabo · Post by **Frater Perdurabo** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:12 pm

I thought that Silesia was in Austria? ~~

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:20 pm

Nope.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:41 pm

Frater Perdurabo wrote:I thought that Silesia was in Austria? ~~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:25 pm

PiP wrote:I hear it enhances the effect of both vodka and red bull, so combined it rocks.

Not really. Alcohol is a depressant, caffeine is a stimulant...so it's a wash in terms of physical effects, and it tastes like plain old Red Bull. People need to stop adding vodka to everything and calling it a drink.

Frater Perdurabo · Post by **Frater Perdurabo** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:51 pm

PiP wrote:
Frater Perdurabo wrote:I thought that Silesia was in Austria? ~~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia

Wikipedia wrote:It subsequently became a possession of the Bohemian crown under the Holy Roman Empire in the 14th century, and passed with that crown to the Habsburg Monarchy of Austria in 1526

Ah that's why I was confused. I did that era during my history A-Level ~~

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:53 pm

Subhuman wrote:Not really. Alcohol is a depressant, caffeine is a stimulant...so it's a wash in terms of physical effects, and it tastes like plain old Red Bull. People need to stop adding vodka to everything and calling it a drink.

if it were just a 'wash', they wouldnt put 'Warning! do not mix with alcohol!' on the label you freaking idiot. Stop talking through your arse if you don't know shit about the matter.
three seemingly healthy people in Sweden died shortly after drinking Red Bull, officials launched an investigation into the drink's ingredients and effects. Two of the victims died after drinking Red Bull with vodka

"can lead to abnormal heart rhythms and future heart problems"

"risk a case of the jitters or an occasional blackout"
"extreme dehydration"
"respiratory depression or vomiting"
Ã¢â‚¬Å“They may think they are alert, but their reaction time is still diminished, and their judgment is impaired,Ã¢â‚¬Â�

not like I haven't drunk this combo myself

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:08 pm

Do you even read your own links?

Wiki wrote:Doctors and nutritionists have warned of the dangers of mixing caffeine and alcohol in excessive quantities.

Sophomore Theresa Sparrow, 19, passed out in a sorority house after drinking four shots of vodka and two cans of Red Bull.

This is called binging. One can of Red Bull mixed with one or two shots of vodka won't send you to the hospital, and the caffeine effects will clash with the depressant effect of the alcohol - it's basic food chemistry. You'll get a caffeine buzz, but the alcohol will likely cloud it. Plus, it just seems like a waste of expensive ingredients.

box · Post by **box** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:14 pm

PiP, thanks for the links. Goodness...

Are there any Germans left in Silesia? I'd doubt it, personally, and I couldn't see Polish speaking Poles really, ardently wanting to split the motherland. It would be different I think if we were talking about, say, the disparity between northern and souhern Italy, which seems to still be a real problem there, but yeah, Poland, fracturing? He probably went to Dalmatia or something and he's some kind of expatriate, closeted Croat.

Croats rock, though...

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:50 pm

Subhuman wrote: One can of Red Bull mixed with one or two shots of vodka won't send you to the hospital,.

we haven't been takling about ANY particular quantity, hello? And don't tell me about the effects of 1 such drink, since I drank 2 at one party plus some more alcohol, which is roughly the amount you quote as responsible for passing out, so I have my own experience.

box wrote:Are there any Germans left in Silesia?

In the Polish part of Silesia there is a German minority; they even have a 2-member representation in our parilament. Also I bet there are Germans in the (small) German part of Silesia..

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:39 pm

Subhuman wrote:Alcohol is a depressant, caffeine is a stimulant...so it's a wash in terms of physical effects.

I think you don't understand how drugs work.

Subhuman wrote:This is called binging.

She had 4 shots of alcohol... that's not very much.

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:15 am

Isn't Red Bull also packed with guarana?

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:16 am

Franz wrote:She had 4 shots of alcohol... that's not very much.

And two cans of Bull? Consumed in a short period of time, that qualifies, particularly if they were large shots.

I think you don't understand how drugs work.

Enlighten me, then. Alcohol is a depressant, yes? And caffeine is a stimulant. Combine the two, such as Red Bull with vodka, and you have at best a dampened caffeine effect. I speak from experience, but if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead.

PiP wrote:we haven't been takling about ANY particular quantity, hello?

Hello, yes we have? We started off talking about the popular drink of vodka and Red Bull, which is one can of Bull with a few shots of vodka.

PiP wrote:And don't tell me about the effects of 1 such drink, since I drank 2 at one party plus some more alcohol, which is roughly the amount you quote as responsible for passing out, so I have my own experience.

...Let's break it down.

PiP wrote:don't tell me about the effects of 1 such drink

Okay.

PiP wrote:since I drank 2 at one party plus some more alcohol

I thought we were talking about one drink.

Also, I never said vodka and Red Bull doesn't give you a buzz, I said a) it tastes like crap and b) the effect you get, in my experience, doesn't add up to a decent caffeine buzz, so it's a waste of time.

Y'all are giving me a headache.

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:48 am

Amen.

Kill people wasting vodka on red bull.

What the fuck is Red Bull for? It tastes like molten lollies, it has no effect on me plus it cost more than other soft drinks and it comes in smaller cans. I don't get this energy drink humbug for konstant 10 - 15 years now.

Maybe I'm imune to them?

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:04 am

deadnutt - guarana is just a common plant which contains caffeine.

and i am not the drug guru i once was, but i can tell you that mixing caffeine with alcohol will give you something more complex than a 'dampened caffeine effect'. they don't just cancel each other out. if anything, the caffeine should intensify the drunken feeling (a less lethargic drunk feeling, perhaps?), rather than neutralize it. caffeine ups your metabolism, perpetuating the effects of alcohol much faster... something like that.

but red bull, like most energy drinks, doesn't have much caffeine so it won't make much of a difference anyway? energy drinks never give much of a buzz to begin with (they are about as potent as a cup of tea), so you'd barely notice it when you're drunk.

if you don't believe me, though, go do a bunch of coke, or just take some shots of espresso or something, and then drink about 10 promiscuous girls. you will have a blast.

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:02 am

Ehh, the Promiscuous Girl was a failed experiment. I've got a better one now - classy, even.

Bitter Frenchman
2 oz Alize Gold Passion liqueur
1 oz Cointreau
2-3 dashes Angostura bitters

Shake with ice and strain into a chilled cocktail glass. Garnish with a red grape skewered on a toothpick.

Bitters are a wonderful thing, it turns out. I bought a bottle on a whim and I've used it in sauces and soups as well as drinks. Adds another dimension of herbal-ish flavor, and Angostura is slightly citrus, so it goes well with the orange Cointreau and passionfruit Alize.

box · Post by **box** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:45 am

'Bourbon and a branch' variant: Maker's and whole milk. Sort of a modified cowboy, sometimes with shots of good stuff instead of sips. Considering no straight man in Buffalo orders a Cowboy at a bar, I'm pretty much confined to my house with this one. But, it makes a great dessert.

Besides spring water from this one cave in Vermont, Maker's Mark is the finest fluid to ever cleanse the palate. It's marvelous, in every way.

And I've found, as someone who drives a lot, that Red Bull doesn't do all that much more than a big cup of black coffee, especially with the espresso shot. And like Jell-o shots, mixing Red Bull and Absolut is the kind of thing mothers warn their teen daughters not to do on a Friday night. Maybe they're onto something, aside from the mouthtube for some gastric lavage action...

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:35 am

So the primary functions of Red Bull are "tasting like crap" and "beeing worthless but expensive".

Interesting.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:59 am

atoga wrote:anything, the caffeine should intensify the drunken feeling (a less lethargic drunk feeling, perhaps?), rather than neutralize it. caffeine ups your metabolism, perpetuating the effects of alcohol much faster... something like that.

not exactly, the energy-drink effect masks the alcohol effect, so you think you don't get it while you do. Among other things like 'extreme dehydration'

but red bull, like most energy drinks, doesn't have much caffeine so it won't make much of a difference anyway?

first off, a decent energy drink doesn't only have caffeine (of which they contain as much as a cup of coffee), but taurine (without which 'energy drinks' would be but a hoax) and sometimes other extra stuff like L-carnitine, which enhances fat metabolism and hence energy production.

energy drinks never give much of a buzz to begin with

ye I've always felt they hardly work on me, but I thought it's because I used to do stronger stuff

if you don't believe me, though, go do a bunch of coke, or just take some shots of espresso or something, and then drink about 10 promiscuous girls. you will have a blast.

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:56 am

Nothing's better than a large glasstable full of coke.

lizardking · Post by **lizardking** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:14 pm

lets see occasional drink , a few beers or maybe some scotsh , I do smoke , the time I smoked the most was playing fallout 2 during winter time and staying home , I didnt have a job back then I went threw packs and packs of smoke, am still a regular smoker, now my favorite part drugs ! hash mostly , I really smoke hash a lot , some pills too I saw a reference here , its called trammal I like pop from 4 to 10 depending on the mood once I took 16, but will just fuck you up , cocaine and whiskey are the perfect mix for me when am out to party makes you feel like if you were the fucking godfather , I've done heroin a few times , the white stuff you sniff no injecting or that kinda of shit , its great but that shit will get you addicted worse than jet man so I wouldnt bother, I've tried "e" its cool, seems the teenage years are still goin for me and am 21 , but fuck it I think drugs are a really cool way to explore your mind , but dont over do it all the time, you'll just loose the coolness of it, and yeah I've researched LSD , really mysterious chemical, I read it was created by the CIA and tested on people to turn them into drones , I looked for that shit here, but its not to be found and I know every dealer there is to be known , I guess the only way to get it here is to know a good chmist, like a myron dude but for real , but I dont recommend that shit , cause there's a high chance of long term fucked up effects, my friend once got a hold of some and he eneded up seeing fucked things for more than a month and he swore it was real, so really fucked up shit dont try it.