Glittering Gems of Hatred Part 3

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:21 pm

S4ur0n27 wrote:They won't show anything until most of the game is finalized in order to not promises things they in the end won't be able to accomplish.

Like with Oblivion?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:50 pm

They won't show anything until most of the game is finalized in order to not promises things they in the end won't be able to accomplish.

It is harder to build up negative hype (or whatever you want to call it) when you only have afew months to get the word out.

Kukident · Post by **Kukident** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:55 am

Mr. Teatime wrote:(and I'm reasonably sure that the game won't have a thong-wearing hooker on the front of the box at least, so that's one fear that could be calmed).

teh funny

i think it's interesting that a bethesda guy claims that he actually reads the stuff here
thats somehow... encouraging...
but could be hype
if he is lying, i will kill him
(yes i will)

i could add the chainsaw smiley 6 times now, but that would make me look like a 11 year old.
what did i want to say..

Fallout is the best (and i played MAAANNNYYYY games :<, i m a fucking nerd... new games bore me to death, they all suck, they r buggy, have a SHIT story, they r just crap... it's like they ve never actually played their own game, else they would have seen how crap it is and would have changed that... it's all about GRAPHIC GRAPHIC GRAPHIC "3d IS TEH PWNZ0R MY NVIDIA CARD IS TEH BEST RLY!!!111"
i think i drifted away from what i wanted to say...
however... bethesda seem to care much about graphics too, thats a bad sign, as well as they want to change stuff in fallout 3, and obviously they got no humour wtf.... or they dont want to include humour... thats just rubbish... well back to the topic)
Fallout 2 is good, too, but the beginning of it is crap, somehow... but i liked many parts of it, like that nuclear power plant with the ghouls...
well, i ll have to play that game again
too bad i cant order it anywhere, i would buy the original (copy) of the game, but no one sells it..
(at least amazon doesnt, and i m too lazy to search at other shops :<)
what i wanted to say is
i forgot what i wanted to say

first post btw.
good night

ps:
@bethesda, DONT DO SHIT WITH FALLOUT3 *sharpenshisknife*

PsychoSniper · Post by **PsychoSniper** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:14 am

Amazon and ebay both have FO and FO2.

I wouldnt be suprised if bethesda people read this fourm, but they truly dont care about the fans.

Their fucked up console game Startrek:Legacy shows how little they care about quality of their games.

So does oblivion.

I just cant wait til I can buy armor for my bhraman.

Kukident · Post by **Kukident** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:22 am

PsychoSniper wrote: I just cant wait til I can buy armor for my bhraman.

one head or two heads?
if it has one head i wont buy the fucking game anyways

i hope there r sum dregonz In da random dungeonz, i luv em dragonz!!!11 :retarded12yearoldxboxplayer:

and u were right about fallout at amazon... there are like 20 different versions of that game at amazon... some are still being sold, best would be a box including planescape, fo1 and fo2
dont need more for the abandoned island :<

edit: they sell fallout 2 at amazon
but they dont sell fallout 1 as well as they dont sell a combination of those two and they dont sell planescape torment at all

THEY WONT GET MAH MONEEY THEN

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:45 am

Kukident wrote:if he is lying, i will kill him
(yes i will)

What is it with you people and threatening developers? It's childish and very un-Fallout fanbase-esque. Threatening to kill devs is teh stupid

Shit, man, I don't think we ever threatened to kill Chuck Cuevas. Then again, we mostly pitied him.

Bradylama · Post by **Bradylama** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:33 pm

Nice to know you still care, Emil.

Drop by NMA maybe?

The Idiot · Post by **The Idiot** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:59 pm

Isn't NMA, like, blacklisted?

Infinity Dose · Post by **Infinity Dose** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:59 pm

Does anyone else think that no matter how good Fallout 3 *could* turn out to be, we might just assume it sucks, simply because well... we've gotten older and our tastes and standards have become unreachable?

A mature rating is a must.

Still, Fallout 3 is the only game i'm looking forward to now, as i've already given up on C&C 3 (AKA LOLZ WOULDNT IT BE COOL TO INTRODUCE SOME INSECT LIKE PURPLE ALIENS ITS SO ORIGINAL)

Bradylama · Post by **Bradylama** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:04 pm

The Idiot wrote:Isn't NMA, like, blacklisted?

Not really. There were no dev-posts for a year until Kathode just admitted to buying one of our member's old copies of Fallout 1 & 2 over eBay.

Otherwise NMA staff aren't banned from the ESF and there are still private convos, so it's not really a blacklisting.

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Does anyone else think that no matter how good Fallout 3 *could* turn out to be, we might just assume it sucks, simply because well... we've gotten older and our tastes and standards have become unreachable?

Poppycock. Our tastes just aren't catered to. There's a difference.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:31 pm

Does anyone else think that no matter how good Fallout 3 *could* turn out to be, we might just assume it sucks, simply because well... we've gotten older and our tastes and standards have become unreachable

How have our standards become unreachable? We're not asking for Rome to be built in one day, just some very simple stuffs.

Kukident · Post by **Kukident** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:43 pm

Infinity Dose wrote: Still, Fallout 3 is the only game i'm looking forward to now, as i've already given up on C&C 3 (AKA LOLZ WOULDNT IT BE COOL TO INTRODUCE SOME INSECT LIKE PURPLE ALIENS ITS SO ORIGINAL)

not to forget a about PEW PEW LASERGUNZ

show me a C&C3 screen without like 200 green,blue and red lasers on it..
right, there are none...

i m looking forward to stalker, hellgate:london ( a must-buy for me), supreme commander (not perfect but good, i will probably play it very often, but not as often as i played warcraft 3 for example...) and bioshock 2 (fucking great story... but i think they are poromising more than they will actually do..)

i will probably buy fallout 3... play it.. have fun.. but i cant imagine in any way that it will have the good atmosphere, story, fun and freedom FO1 and 2 had... completly different developers developing that game, they cannot like turn into different people while making that game, they are still the developers of games like oblivion, and you will probably feel that while playing FO3, and it will probably annoy us all...

talking about devs

What is it with you people and threatening developers? It's childish and very un-Fallout fanbase-esque. Threatening to kill devs is teh stupid

Shit, man, I don't think we ever threatened to kill Chuck Cuevas. Then again, we mostly pitied him.

so i am not fallout fanbase-esque or what?
just becoz of that little comment?
what would be fallout-esque concerning the topic "hate against devs" then?
feeding them with stimpacks?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:23 pm

Kharn wrote:Shit, man, I don't think we ever threatened to kill Chuck Cuevas. Then again, we mostly pitied him.

I must have been really high throughout 2002-2003 cause I swore there was more then pity goin on at pretty much every FO site for Chuck.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:56 pm

i am the only one who followed thru with dat threat

Haris · Post by **Haris** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:20 pm

Kharn wrote:
Kukident wrote:if he is lying, i will kill him
(yes i will)
What is it with you people and threatening developers? It's childish and very un-Fallout fanbase-esque. Threatening to kill devs is teh stupid

Shit, man, I don't think we ever threatened to kill Chuck Cuevas. Then again, we mostly pitied him.

Didnt these kinda threats close down interplay forums?

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:02 pm

Threatening to kill other people over the internet shows e-toughness, that's serious business. So, better not mess with him, Kharn, understand.

Post by **King of Creation** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:09 pm

Kukident wrote:
What is it with you people and threatening developers? It's childish and very un-Fallout fanbase-esque. Threatening to kill devs is teh stupid

Shit, man, I don't think we ever threatened to kill Chuck Cuevas. Then again, we mostly pitied him.
so i am not fallout fanbase-esque or what?
just becoz of that little comment?
what would be fallout-esque concerning the topic "hate against devs" then?
feeding them with stimpacks?

It has nothing to do with being part of the Fallout fanbase. It has everything to do with sounding childish, immature, and ignorant.

PsychoSniper · Post by **PsychoSniper** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:25 pm

In other words, you can be an asshat, but dont be a fucking moron.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Did Chuck leave the business after BOS?

Glittering Gems o' Hatred part 3 wrote:Fallout 3 should offer something we haven't seen in the CRPG world for years, something nobody else is doing. In taking a step back, it would make a leap forward.

This pretty much summed the article for me.

Most of the discussion over the years has concentrated on a few key game design issues which soon has degenerated into a comparison between two systems(Fallout vs. generic RPG). Nothing is absolute in terms of game design choices, but I think anyone who've followed this forum for the past years knows what the general consensus among the fans is. Perhaps this has blinded the fanbase to some extent. I'm not saying Fallout 3 should be something entirely different from what we expect from a Fallout sequel, but it can't and shouldn't be the same game that was released 10 years ago.

What I hope is that Fallout 3 will be something entirely different from modern CRPGs, even(or should I write especially) Bethesda's own games. It should feel refreshing to those as well who haven't touched another CRPG since Fallout(hypothetically speaking).

"We do what we do best" - I truly hope that means innovation, and this time, also combined with experience.

Some might say using 'archaic' design concepts can be innovative, but even in the most archaic of systems improvements can be achieved. However, in some ways the original Fallout set the framework of how a Fallout game should play.

Then there is the communication issue. Healthy communication with the fanbase is not writing down every fan demand and making a game in accordance with those demands. Healthy communication is mutual trust and goodwill between the developer/publisher and the fanbase. Fans should be used as a source of inspiration. After the game is released, the fans should be considered as a source of criticism, often more reliable than the gaming press. This ensures continuity in the most important relationship a game company can have.

The Van Buren approach was wrong. "Hay guys, what do you think about this idea we've been discussing?" is a path that leads to doom because the end product cannot possibly exceed the expectations, much like too early or excessive hype. In this sense, I'd rather see one-way communication than an open development forum. The worst event imaginable is when a developer blackballs a game's fanbase. Luckily Bethesda has managed to keep OK relations with the major Fallout fansites, but reading about disputes with RPG Codex and Star Trek gamers worries me. Is this really the way Bethesda wants to build and develop its brands?

That said, I expect Bethesda to restore relations with these once lost communities and cherish the ones it still hasn't scared away. When or what info it will release about Fallout 3 is ultimately irrelevant.

Post by **Dogmeatlives** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:37 pm

Completely off topic:
Is C&C3 any good? I haven't heard much.