Afterfall now in English and concept art!

Cthulhugoat · Post by **Cthulhugoat** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:43 pm

S4ur0n27 wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:P.S. What's that thing down the bottom right corner? A gigantic brain?
You mean left?

Gah... I was... oh well, whatever. Maybe.

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:28 am

DAC never seizes to astonish me. :no:

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:54 pm

You mean ceases?

Mechanurgist · Post by **Mechanurgist** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:18 am

aries100 wrote:I do mean that Afterall seems & looks to be great game, especially since it apparently add a critique of civilisation's greeds and such to the gameplay. Thus it is a very political game. Me like

Whoa. Dude, do you mean to say that greed is bad? My whole life is a lie! And all I had to do was play a 40-hour game to figure this out? No, wait, you spoiled the ending for me. I would suggest that you substitute the words "politically naive" for "political".

Afterfall: "We totally, like, need an editor man. Broken English isn't as hip as it was in the 90s. Now we're professional biznesmeni."

Me: "I could help you out, I guess. If there's plenty of booze."

PS: I do like the art sketches, but the engine looks like bollocks.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:42 am

It's pretty ridicilous that since Afterfall production & design team hails from Poland, they've decided to have the game set in, surprise surprise, Poland. And in the "World of Afterfall" section they explain how Poland was the top notch place when it comes to technology and science right before the apocalypse

Post-apocalypse propaganda or just plain vanilla Polish naivety?

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:21 am

Poland invented the cavalry vs Panzers strategy, have to give them credits for that masterpiece

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:10 pm

Hitler was from Poland. The Polish let the world think germans were theb ad guys.

DaC-Sniper · Post by **DaC-Sniper** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:30 pm

Thor Kaufman wrote:Poland invented the cavalry vs Panzers strategy, have to give them credits for that masterpiece

... i mean...

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:17 pm

Thor Kaufman wrote:Poland invented the cavalry vs Panzers strategy, have to give them credits for that masterpiece

Troika...

Well, Poland was about to upgrade everything when the war started.

Mechanurgist · Post by **Mechanurgist** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:45 am

Thor Kaufman wrote:Poland invented the cavalry vs Panzers strategy, have to give them credits for that masterpiece

No, those were dragoon infantry which deployed with some of the world's first anti-tank guns, which were quite lethal.

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There are several common misconceptions regarding the Polish September Campaign&#58;

    * The Polish military was so backward they fought tanks with cavalry&#58; Although Poland had 11 cavalry brigades and its doctrine emphasized cavalry units as elite units, other armies of that time &#40;including German and Soviet&#41; also fielded and extensively used horse cavalry units. Polish cavalry &#40;equipped with modern small arms and light artillery like the highly effective Bofors 37 mm antitank gun&#41; never charged German tanks or entrenched infantry or artillery directly but usually acted as mobile infantry &#40;like dragoons&#41; and reconnaissance units and executed cavalry charges only in rare situations, against enemy infantry. The article about the Battle of Krojanty &#40;when Polish cavalry were fired on by hidden armored vehicles, rather than charging them&#41; describes how this myth originated.

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Augustus · Post by **Augustus** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:13 pm

Poland invented the cavalry vs Panzers strategy

Dont you ever say that! Ever.

This is the stupidest creation of nazi propaganda.
During WWII there was a situation when polish cavalerian unit was suddenly atacked with Panzers. They tryed to escape, but there were no place tu run. Next day german propaganda officers have shown dead bodies of horses and men to british journalists, as an efect of cavaleria atacking tanks.

It's hard to belive, that allies were so stupid, that they've bought it.

Our anti-tank rifles is a differend topic.
And it should be said, that modern polish cavaleria in WWII was formation made for quick reactions in difficult area - for example until now there is no formation that is able to move in forests or mountains faster than cavaleria was able that time.

For more information about WWII history (especially the begining and before american episode ) you can read "The case of Honour" (I'm not sure about title translation) written by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud.

Back to thew topic of Afterfall:
It is placed not only in Poland, but in the middle Europe which is the centre of nuclear conflict. Second thing is that the history is a bit alternative

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:17 pm

Yeah, you Poles really kicked German butt in WWII.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:29 pm

Kashluk wrote:It's pretty ridicilous that since Afterfall production & design team hails from Poland, they've decided to have the game set in, surprise surprise, Poland.

actually why the hell not? There's surprisingly many Fallout fans in Poland, and guess the fan-originated team met their expectations of seeing a similar game with their own country as setting. It's a fan project and I guess originally they were targeting (mostly) Polish audience.

And in the "World of Afterfall" section they explain how Poland was the top notch place when it comes to technology and science right before the apocalypse

lol nice one, point me to the source cos I'm to lazy to find it

Post-apocalypse propaganda or just plain vanilla Polish naivety?

naah come one Kash you wouldnt believe this. Pollocks are largely quite aware of how much "top-notch tech" country we are (or actually even unrealistically pessimistic about it) - hence frustrated kids like Dreddy babbling about how hopeless Poland is over and over again.
I guess this thing with Afterfall is just bitter irony and/or alternative history.

Augustus wrote:Dont you ever say that! Ever.

oh wow zealot :patriot: on board

VasikkA wrote:Yeah, you Poles really kicked German butt in WWII.

funny as this may sound, we kinda did. In British aircraft, in Italy, in Africa, in the Netherlands.. Those who survived the Germany-Russia vice fun, did their job surprisingly well

Augustus · Post by **Augustus** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:32 pm

It is not funny Vasikka. It's painfull. Because we didn't even had a real chance - not long after German atack, we where atacked from the other side by Russians (It was planned in secret chapter of German and Soviet "Ribbentrop-Molotov pact"). Two from three (third was US) most powerfull countries atacking from east and west at one time. No one could resist atack like that. Even US in the same situation. Poles did what they could - escape to Great Britain, and there form polish divisions (including elite british 303 Air Division with 95% of poles and with best hit count of all British air divisions)

Learn some history. Before american episode there were in WWII much interesting things and facts.

oh wow zealot :patriot: on board

You're right. Too much nerves about history. But it irritates me that creations of nazi propaganda works until now.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:03 pm

just shut the fuck up; I am the patriotic mindless wrangler pollock ass cunt round here I am!

Augustus · Post by **Augustus** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:28 pm

It's a fan project and I guess originally they were targeting (mostly) Polish audience

Two and a half years ago it was going to be 'polish Fallout' and not a normal game, but Fallout mod ;D... and of course for polish audience.

But everything have changed after first six months.
Nowdays AF is being made for international audience, and it TB combar and post-apo setting are the only things in common with Fallout in it. Middle european setting, should be exotic but atractive for Americans.

In a time od the week or two, there will be news on Afterfall site with short list of the game features. You will be able to see what really AF is going to be.

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:41 pm

WW3 will be started by the Poles - as a fan project

frissy · Post by **frissy** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:15 pm

Funny thing is that the "community" seek for artist and designers...ended up in Polish artists and designers. Been there, done that, got forgotten.

Mechanurgist · Post by **Mechanurgist** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:31 am

Not to mention Polish cryptologists were some of the best in the world, and contributed to the Allied victory by helping to decipher ULTRA/ENIGMA at Bletchley Park.

"Poland: so far from God, so close to Germany and Russia!"

But anyways, in regards to Afterfall, it won't do anyone any good to set it in Poland. North Americans don't give a rat's ass about Europe, even the western part (except maybe for London), Germans and Russians won't play a game set in Poland and other Europeans won't get past the transliteration barrier. Good luck to ya!

Augustus · Post by **Augustus** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:46 am

North Americans don't give a rat's ass about Europe, even the western part

Thats right, but they also don't know almost notthing about Russia (with some exeptions for example that there is such thing like Moscov ;P), Asia ect. Setting in Europe gonna be exotic for them.

Look at that from other side:
STALKER beat records of popularity with Setting in Ukraine (Nehbour of Poland) and nobody talks about....ahmmmm... propaganda?

First of all AF is not set in poland/Europe but in post-apo

And that's the thing that determines it's seeing. And there will be no language barieer - game will be reelesed eng and pl at once. We are not makeing game for 'Poland and rest of the world'. We are makeing cRPG for ambitious gamers from all over the world.

Germans and Russians won't play a game set in Poland

And why is that?

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