Fallout 3 Previews Galore!

Mori · Post by **Mori** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:10 am

If you check out the gamespy preview it seems to disprove the wiki dialogue worry, as in it is an actual sentence with a reaction from an NPC

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Post by **King of Creation** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:15 am

Link plz.

Mori · Post by **Mori** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:18 am

Upon first setting foot in Megaton, the player meets Sheriff Leon Simms, who quips that this is his town and you had better not try anything. Pagliarulo chooses the dialogue option that goes along with the Sheriff's laying down of the law, while Howard remarks that another member of the dev team one day decided to pick the "That's a nice-looking hat" option. Which led to a fight that the player won. Then the player took the Sheriff's clothes, holed himself up in a tower, and started sniping the rest of town. While Pagliarulo decided not to go completely aggro on the Sheriff, he decided to play out his hatred of the town in another fashion.

Cimmerian Nights · Post by **Cimmerian Nights** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:49 am

So what?
I was playing cRPGs in 1985 that would do that.

Why is the fact that they're improving on Oblivion a good thing? This is Fallout, and every peice of news that's come out is about something that's been stripped away.

Now there adding shit that's been in RPGs since Bard's Tale and this is supposed to be innovative?

Apache-VE · Post by **Apache-VE** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:18 am

I'm just curious, are people who actually liked what they read afraid to post anything positive?

Killzig · Post by **Killzig** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:31 am

No. I'm actually not feeling like hating the world today so I'm holding onto the bit of info Kathode divulged in the GT video interview saying that your actions in quest resolution would actually result in new areas/quest lines opening and others closing down. I'll depress myself with the rest of the stuff, particularly all the invocation of the word 'shooter', tomorrow.

Post by **King of Creation** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:19 am

Apache-VE wrote:I'm just curious, are people who actually liked what they read afraid to post anything positive?

I'd say we had a lot of good news today. For example, we have the ability to go thirdperson in a perspective similar to the original games, we have the Megaton/Ten Penny news with it's branching quest lines, and we have the news that they're ignoring the canonical errors of Tactics and BOS. We've already got SPECIAL in there, as Todd promised back in our interview with him in 2005. I guess the only "community demand," as it were, that hasn't been at least "technically" fulfilled is turnbased combat.

Oh...and you can't call shots to the groin anymore. WTF. Clearly that was what made Fallout the game it was.

Apache-VE · Post by **Apache-VE** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:29 am

I think people are discounting the ability to modify the game. Bethesda has a long history of releasing powerful editing tools to mod its products. Changing the camera PoV isn't that hard. I don't think adding stuff like groin shots would be too difficult either with sufficient code samples.

Just look at how many Oblivion mods there are. You can literally change anything.

Post by **King of Creation** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:38 am

Well if what a lot of the previews are saying is right, we won't even need to mod the game to get the isometric style viewpoint. It's just a matter of zooming the camera out far enough.

Apache-VE · Post by **Apache-VE** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:41 am

If the camera controls are anything like Oblivion, you can zoom out the camera with the mouse wheel, and hold the right button down to change the angle, but I don't think you can get a workable top/down view from it.

Post by **King of Creation** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:46 am

From IGN: "There are also options for a Resident Evil-style shoulder camera, or a more traditional isometric view."
http://www.duckandcover.cx/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17965

Shacknews: "Now, third person mode can operate with a Resident Evil 4-like over-the-shoulder perspective, a pulled back camera in line with the old games, or anywhere in between."
http://www.duckandcover.cx/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17993

Critical Hits: "Everything that is visual about this game looks stunning in motion, so much so to the point that it looked natural to be playing the game from over-the-shoulder, and at one point Todd zoomed all the way out and up to an isometric view while running and it still looked beautiful."
http://www.duckandcover.cx/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17979

I believe there were a few more mentions of it in various previews. You're the one that saw the game, though, Apache. Did Todd actually do this during the demo? Did it look like the original viewpoint?

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:55 am

The only shitty part is, as mentioned, that you don't have the option for a REAL turn based experience. It's all real time with a kinda sorta pause feature.

Apache-VE · Post by **Apache-VE** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:08 am

There's a screenshot of the third person camera in the previews already. It looks just like that. Hit whatever button, it zooms out, etc. The PC controls are much more precise. Mouse wheels, adjustable angles, etc.

Apache-VE · Post by **Apache-VE** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:09 am

Apache-VE wrote:There's a screenshot of the third person camera in the previews already. It looks just like that. Hit whatever button, it zooms out, etc. The PC controls are much more precise. Mouse wheels, adjustable angles, etc.

I think if you play the game using VATS exclusively, you can do just that.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:32 am

I'm GUESSING that was a reply to me and you accidently somehow quoted yourself. From what I read, you think wrong because as soon as you run out of AP the game reverts into being entirely real time. The way I like to think of it as the AP being like your "Special Move" bar rather then anything that gives you ACTUAL turn based combat.

Apache-VE · Post by **Apache-VE** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:16 am

odd, but yes. I don't think there will be a huge deficit on APs.

Ausir · Post by **Ausir** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:05 am

The only thing you can do in VATS is targeted shots. How is it similar to turn-based if you can only move in real time?

Apache-VE · Post by **Apache-VE** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:10 am

Are you familiar with "bullet-time" inspired gameplay mechanics?

Ausir · Post by **Ausir** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:11 am

Yes, but it's still nowhere near turn-based.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:30 am

Apache-VE wrote:Are you familiar with "bullet-time" inspired gameplay mechanics?

Are you familiar with this quote from Tim Cain, about Fallout's combat "It also showed how popular and fun turn-based combat could be, when everyone else was going with real-time or pause-based combat."

Being the visionary he is, Todd Howard took a step back from Fallout's original "not doing what everyone else is doing" and yes, makes it pause-based. A true patriot