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TNP · Post by **TNP** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:55 am

Actually it will probably be more like Oblivion than Bioshock. I'm sure it will have less openness than Oblivion, though.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:56 am

I'm pretty sure that atleast Bioshock never put up the illusion they were trying to make anything more then a FPS.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:12 pm

Wolfman Walt wrote:.....Wait, I just realized something. If all the cars are fucking Nuclear in this game, why the fuck was there a war over gasoline?

2060: Traffic on the streets of the world stops moving. Fuel becomes too precious to waste on automobiles, so alternatives are explored - electric and fusion cars begin to be manufactured, but factories can only make limited amounts while conserving fuel. The US economy teeters on bankruptcy. Pressure on fusion research increases.

The Euro-Middle Eastern War ends as the oil fields in the Middle East run dry... there is no longer a goal in the conflict, and both sides are reduced almost to ruin. The European Commonwealth dissolves into quarelling nation states, fighting over the remaining resources.

(according to J.E. Sawyer)

DaC-Sniper · Post by **DaC-Sniper** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:15 pm

i always thought a conversion from Fallout 2D to realtime Fallout 3D would be something similiar to Postal, only three times harder, slaves, prostitutes, children, deathclaws, bitches, mafiosis, mushrooms, drugs, etc. I was hoping for a kind of 3rd person shooter ala Hitman-style with hand made death animations and lots of sarcastic humor, crazy bomb carrying niggas, who scream "Nightrida 4 life" with a little dash of GTA, flavored with Manhunt, and gilded with some Vampires:Bloodlines including a improved slave system and other nasty boobs physics.

Roleplaying darthvader in some black powerarmor would be a hell of a collar grabbing fun. Aww, but what happend, Bethesda turned the dick into a pussy.

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:16 pm

Yeah but Bethesda needs to come up with something to show t3h awesome graphic FX. Otherwise console kids won't get enough stimulation for their degenerated dry brains.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:22 pm

All i care about is that they add the modding tools.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:39 am

VasikkA wrote:
Wolfman Walt wrote:.....Wait, I just realized something. If all the cars are fucking Nuclear in this game, why the fuck was there a war over gasoline?
2060: Traffic on the streets of the world stops moving. Fuel becomes too precious to waste on automobiles, so alternatives are explored - electric and fusion cars begin to be manufactured, but factories can only make limited amounts while conserving fuel. The US economy teeters on bankruptcy. Pressure on fusion research increases.

Right, which I understand and it makes perfect sense when applied to Fallout 2 with the Highwayman, I.E. it's one of those rare fusion cars. However, this is EVERY car laying around, as far as I can tell. Limited amounts to me means like 1:100, if that many. Not 1:1.

popscythe · Post by **popscythe** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:42 am

TNP wrote:Actually it will probably be more like Oblivion than Bioshock. I'm sure it will have less openness than Oblivion, though.

If you insist on saying things that imply you are a fucking stupid child like (paraphrased to not sound like a fucking dick) "oblivion was less linear than x game" then I am going to insist you fucking kill yourself.

Oblivion was more linear than diablo 2.

I fucking said it.

Splatterpope · Post by **Splatterpope** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:34 am

I guess the common consensus here in the light of all the information given is that it's okay to have nukular cars, but not nearly so many of them, and it's just plain stupid to be able to start a chain reaction by shooting one. Unless we're using incredibly high velocity uranium bullets, or something.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:58 am

the cars still should not be able to ever reach critical mass, and i would guess the distribution of the core would be made as foolproof as possible(except of course by bethesda)

offtopic: what do they use for PA tampons?

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:03 am

Wolfman Walt wrote:However, this is EVERY car laying around, as far as I can tell. Limited amounts to me means like 1:100, if that many. Not 1:1.

Wait, have I missed something? Do you have a screenshot or an interview to verify this?

I'd reckon there'd be a lot of non-functional gasoline-driven cars in scrapyards or lying abandoned on the highways. Fusion-powered cars should be as scarce as chest hair on Aptyp.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:15 am

I'm pretty sure the video demos made it look like EVERY car was a miniature nuke waiting to be set off. Thats why everyones goin on about interviews talking about using the exploding nuke cars as a "Chain reaction."

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:23 am

kinda like

?

Now that's just fucked up.

popscythe · Post by **popscythe** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:29 pm

VasikkA wrote:Now that's just fucked up.

But not suprising, coming from the people who created the "teach your swordsman to fly with space bar holding technology" simulator.

RAK · Post by **RAK** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:01 pm

Now I'm no expert at engines or anything, but what else would we need gasoline for that couldn't be powered by mass produced miniaturized nuclear technology or nuclear power plants?

A lot of stuff that you wouldn't realise. Cosmetics, lubricants, medicines, plastics, etc. - all made from petroleum byproducts.

fallout ranger · Post by **fallout ranger** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:51 pm

RAK wrote:A lot of stuff that you wouldn't realise. Cosmetics, lubricants, medicines, plastics, etc. - all made from petroleum byproducts.

Almost everything you touch.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:56 am

RAK wrote:A lot of stuff that you wouldn't realise. Cosmetics, lubricants, medicines, plastics, etc. - all made from petroleum byproducts.

Lubricants and Medicines I do see as neccesary, and to a lesser extent plastics, however, I imagine that since we're talking about such futuristic technology that they micronize Nuclear engines and make them safe enough for standard cars, they'd be able to find an alternative to using petrolium. I mean, theres already alternatives to petrolium based lubricants to my understanding, so it still doesn't make that much sense to me.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:55 am

Heres the problem w/ alt fuel currently: it takes about 20 years for new cars and new tech to settle in, being that people REALLY don't buy NEW cars that often. I'm guessing the same would be with industry; it would cost entirely too much to upgrade everything solid at one given time. Then again...it seems clearly stated in the post from JE...they just ran out of time...

popscythe · Post by **popscythe** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:54 am

Okay, come the fuck on. You all must realize that you can burn the christ out of lots of things that are liquidy.

That's not the motherfucking point, kids. The point is that the idea that you can swing a non-projectile flamethrower that's powered by gasoline and relies on melee contact into a gun fight and not burn yourself to death.

Either the guy in that interview like designed some shit from oblivion and is a certified fucking idiot, or he's confused and was thinking about a non-fallout game. Because it's not going to fucking happen, amirite? Not in anything but bethesda country.

Goretheglowingone · Post by **Goretheglowingone** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:46 pm

fallout ranger wrote:
RAK wrote:A lot of stuff that you wouldn't realise. Cosmetics, lubricants, medicines, plastics, etc. - all made from petroleum byproducts.
Almost everything you touch.

and dont forget the single most important thing in the world , hydraulic fluid, without it, we go back to dry gearing winches and basically.. early 20's technology, hundreds of thousands would die just from the lack
of distribution ability, we would be back to steam trains and ships,
could go nuke with those but the expense would be astronomical.