Total communication surveillance in EU countires

edhead · Post by **edhead** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:35 pm

Yeah OK, I admit that 3 years in da EU for Lithuania is like, 9/11 times a thousand, but it's only now when we have to accept a law according to this shit, which is already legislated in most other EU countries. This crap (namely, total Data retention Legislation) makes Orwell roll over in his grave (and brings EU too close to a police state society), so what do you fellow European (and what not) DACers think about all this Patriot-Act-ish bullshit in EU?

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:40 pm

As long as Megatron is watching over me, I feel safe.

Fa11lloutfan_15 · Post by **Fa11lloutfan_15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:59 pm

Megatron macht den Endsieg mÃ¶glich

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:29 pm

It's only a logical step, more EU and centralism means more power for fewer people who haven't even been legitimized by the populace, hence even less democracy.

Not like anyone cares :/

Urizen · Post by **Urizen** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:38 pm

sounds good to me, where do i join?

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:43 pm

in 5 years we will be living in gated communities with private security, & all the poor can get fucked and relocated to densely populated shanty towns in lithuania that will constantly be ruined by tropical storms from the arctic ocean :medievalism:

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:36 pm

if i was big brother, which i am, you can feel safe if your homes as i am pretty relaxed when it comes to being a bad guy.

jawleSS · Post by **jawleSS** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:46 pm

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 Total communication surveillance in EU countires

this shit will not prevent me from dirnkin' euro beer

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:45 am

1984 was a good year

"# July 21 - In Jackson, Michigan, a factory robot crushes a worker against a safety bar in what is apparently the first robot-related death in the United States."

Post by **Dogmeatlives** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:37 am

It's scary and depressing but I don't know what to do, so I leave it up to you.

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:47 am

THOUGHT VIRUSES, ha ha.

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:55 am

Dogmeatlives wrote:It's scary and depressing but I don't know what to do, so I leave it up to you.

Jesus Loves The Little Children

"Jesus loves the little children / All the children of the world. / Red and yellow, black and white, / They are precious in His sight. / Jesus loves the little children of the world."

edhead · Post by **edhead** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:01 am

Check this out.

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:27 am

We have to defend ourselves against Eurasia!

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:35 am

Not at all related at all.

edhead · Post by **edhead** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:40 am

Dreadnought wrote:We have to defend ourselves against Eurasia!

You have never been at war with Eurasia. Eurasia has always been your friend.

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:42 am

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:49 am

'Been activated here in DK for a little over a week now.
It's being critisized heavily, by everyone though, except the bitch who made the details.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:59 pm

atoga wrote:in 5 years we will be living in gated communities with private security, & all the poor can get fucked and relocated to densely populated shanty towns in lithuania that will constantly be ruined by tropical storms from the arctic ocean :medievalism:

I can live with that.

aries100 · Post by **aries100** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:13 pm

The EU does not want the member states to do this before at least 2009 or 2011. However, Denmark has done this since Sept. 15th of 2007. Sweden, Germany & Great Britain have been against this from the start, especially the whole internet surveillance thing...

The obviously feel that the internet thing is a bit much and would be satisfied wih much less control & survellaiance in the EU, say just for cell phones as these has been proven to be used in the terrorists attacks in Madrid and London. (and just to be clear in this, no, I don't condone any terrorists attacks for whatever reasons --- ever....)

The thing is,however, that in Denmark all internet & phone & internet providers are being forced to by law to save any&all digital data trafficking. This means any internetwebsite, (or package), cell phone number and normal phone number.

When I call to say my bank or my big sister or order a train ticket on the phone, the authorities could in theory get access to that information. Why the would need to know that I called my bank or ordered a train ticket to another city, I don't know. Or rather I'd do. The authorities are so afraid of DK being hit by a terrorist bomb, that they are out to make all people in all EU member states be seen as potential terrorists, thus creating a sense of fear in the populations of the EU member states which mean that they more easily can control the situation - and the population...

In Denmark, the ISP number of the computer dialing out is stores, the is the ISP number of say DuckandCover, or NMA or say gameboomers.com
When I phone my bank, the phone companies are now required to make a note of my phone number, the bank's phone number, how long I talked to the bank, and some other stuff, I forgot about. The same goes for cell phones. But wait, there's more...

All hotels, from the smallest Bed&Breakfasts to the biggest Sheraton Hotels need also do this, i.e. they need to record both the internet traffic and the phone calls, their guests make. Really really experience this is. However, libraries, residential areas, and universities, schools and colleges are free from these demands. Maybe understandably so, but it makes little that you can use a computer at the library freely or at an internet cafÃ©....when small bed and breakfast places with maybe 50 or so beds shall do this...

Thus making the whole population under suspicion. The security police, STASI (staatssicherheitsdienst) in the now closed DDR would have been so proud. They never had the opportunities our legal elected represen-tatives now are given to the security police in the EU member states.

/aries100