The Firearms Thread

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:07 am

I always felt that "Capacity" wasn't that important of a factor due to the fact all handgun fights are over in about the first 3 seconds. On the other hand, I don't see how it can hurt to have more rounds in a magazine.

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:16 am

Wolfman Walt wrote:I always felt that "Capacity" wasn't that important of a factor due to the fact all handgun fights are over in about the first 3 seconds. On the other hand, I don't see how it can hurt to have more rounds in a magazine.

Perhaps if you could get a .45 smg that fired .410 shotshells...

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:54 am

Wolfman Walt wrote:I always felt that "Capacity" wasn't that important of a factor due to the fact all handgun fights are over in about the first 3 seconds. On the other hand, I don't see how it can hurt to have more rounds in a magazine.

for a body guard you kind of need multiple shots in case of multiple assailants...

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:15 am

Unless he's shooting a derringer, that's not a problem.

fallout ranger · Post by **fallout ranger** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:44 pm

i heard the Springfield XDs were pretty nice, anyone own/fired one?

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:07 am

It wouldn't cycle because it wouldn't produce high enough chamber pressure to fully cycle the slide. I suppose you could manually re-cock it but that's just wasting precious seconds that could be used on a follow up shot.

I've got a friend who has an XD .45 compact and that is one sweet little pistol. They're kinda pricey though.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:25 pm

Goretheglowingone · Post by **Goretheglowingone** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:24 am

Machiavelli... yea.. i wasn't thinking.. your right about that.

but its a good idea in a revolver... but if your carrying a revolver into combat it better be a big
bore , no other reason to have one, pointing a fuckin train tunnel at someone makes em think
twice... but make sure you have a high capacity
sig 9mm with built in baffle silencer as a back up , never can be to careful.

Goretheglowingone · Post by **Goretheglowingone** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:26 am

Rules of a Gunfight (humorous, but serious)

0. Avoid them like the plague
a) Be aware of what is going on around you by staying in condition
yellow.
b) Have a plan or two (...if not, a "Last Will & Testament will do.)
Corollary: No plan survives contact with the enemy.
1. Bring at least one gun (don't bring a knife)
a) Bring a gun, even if you are going to knife fight.
2. Bring friends (as friendly witnesses or fire support)*
a) Let close air support or artillery soften-up the target for you.*
3. Make use of available cover
a) Remember the difference between concealment and cover.
b) Don't get shot (Use cover to your advantage).
4. Place your shots well
a) Pay attention to where your shots fall
b) "Speed's fine, but accuracy is final"
c) Don't miss (You can't miss fast enough to win).
5. a) If you're the bad guy, draw & shoot first
b) If you're the good guy, draw second and shoot first.
6. Bring the biggest gun you can handle
7. Never turn your back on an armed bad guy, even if he's down.
8. a) A "sucking chest wound" is nature's way of telling you to slow down.
b) If you're bleeding to death, say something witty.
c) If you're actually dying, say something deep.
9. Never assume your opponent is out of ammo.
a) Bring lots of ammo.
10. In combat, you will be scared. You will have a tendency to shoot high.
Be aware of this and aim low.
11. a) Don't quit just because you're hit; GET EVEN!
b) Never quit, period.
c) There is no prize for second place
12. There's no such thing as "unfair advantage"
13. He who lives to run away will live to run another day (the best
strategy is being somewhere else).
14. It is better to give than receive. (Just like Christmas)
15. Unlike _Jeopardy_, it's more fun to watch than to play along.
16. Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous.
17. Anything you do can get you shot, including nothing.
18. If your opponents didn't have the courtesy to "Count Off!"
before beginning, assume that there's one more somewhere.
19. When the cops pull up, think fast and move slow.
20. Say nothing afterwards but the Seven Magic Words: "I'd
like to speak with my attorney."
21. Drop the one with the shotgun first.
22. Use cutesy green-and-purple colored weapons and ammo so the press won't
show any video of your non-evil-looking equipment. Fuzzy rifle-wrap
works best.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:09 am

hopefully going to somehow acquire(legally) a spartan III when i turn 21...just in case...

Dreadnought · Post by **Dreadnought** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:18 am

Dude the best tip for gunfights is called "Dreadnought's Rule # 0"

It goes:

Pay others to do the killing.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:35 am

Why is there over 51 pages worth of discussion about guns? We all know you can't top an AK-47.

Seriously.

fallout ranger · Post by **fallout ranger** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:24 pm

Goretheglowingone wrote:but make sure you have a high capacity

S&W 8-shot in .357 anyone? That'd be my choice for a wheelgun, instead of a revolver/auto combo.

Strider wrote:Why is there over 51 pages worth of discussion about guns? We all know you can't top an AK-47.

Seriously.

Yea brothers, let us educate him.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:08 pm

fallout ranger wrote:Yea brothers, let us educate him.

I'm all ears.

fallout ranger · Post by **fallout ranger** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:27 pm

The Ak 47 is unrefined, and, while reliable, it is sloppy, inacurate, and poorly manufactured. While a good gun, it is far from the best.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:05 pm

But you must understand that the M16A2 is still the standard mass produced rifle of the US forces. Every soldier I've spoken to has confirmed that the widely mass produced AK's are far more reliable. Anything better than an AK must be extremely expensive and only used by special forces.

Special forces can only sabotage so much on an army of 1,000,000 AK bearers.

fallout ranger · Post by **fallout ranger** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:12 pm

Strider wrote:Every soldier I've spoken to has confirmed that the widely mass produced AK's are far more reliable.

They're reliable because the have so much slop in the action. There's room for grime/rust to build up and still let it function.

Anything better than an AK must be extremely expensive and only used by special forces.

What?

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:18 pm

inaccurate...?

My first time shooting mine, 35/50 rounds at about 25 yards landed within the head region. And scopes aren't terribly expensive....

sure its not meant for sniping or more than slinging lead at short ranges, BUT with anything i plan on running into that the ak couldn't deal with(hopefully i never have to fire my gun except at a range)...i'll have a pistol or a scoped bolt action...

fallout ranger · Post by **fallout ranger** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:19 pm

Caleb wrote: My first time shooting mine, 35/50 rounds at about 25 yards landed within the head region

Well I should hope that you'd be able to hold a 5" group at that range...

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:44 pm

just burst so long till you hit anything