Sept. 11 and the War on Terror: Bullshit or Patriotism?

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What do you think of the War on Terror?

The War on Terror is excellent and we should continue.
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The War on Terror is bullshit and we should stop it.
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49%
I couldn't care less.
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Total votes: 47

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Post by -=Felix=- »

How ironic it is that a general discussion section of a gaming forum is getting this heated. Kind of sad really. If you have emotions and feelings that you feel need to be displayed, do it on a different forum... Maybe one pertaining to your individual topics.
And I hate big nosed Jews with chopped peckers that run around killing Palestinian Children for no reason, you blood drinking bastards!
Perhaps hammer would prefer "Neo-Nazi's for a Free Palestine"...
Weve touched a former sensative spot.
And you Constipated would probably prefer "Jackasses and Other Dumbshits"

Thats my toss for the moment, definately more to come.
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yes, Hammer isnt the most subtle of people. He could have approached it differently. but he made his point in the best way he felt
As I stated before many times, I'm not the best with sarcasm. If he was trying to get a point across using sarcasm, so be it. But until I hear that from his mouth, I will treat it as a very real slur against one of my friends, from another who I thought was better than to say such things.
Personally i try not to hold predjudices, but i do know i harbour some. if you deny that you don't then more fool you.
I know my mind, much better than you. I know that there remains some racism from a long line of white southern middle class. But I would NEVER be blatently racist to another person.
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Post by Constipated BladeRunner »

Haplo wrote:Guardian, you'll always have a place to rest at my house.

Americans are lazy. Obese. Materialistic. Short-sighted.

But some are not. Every country has it's sterotypes attached, the U.S.A. is no exception. Remember that, all of you. Don't judge, by your own sterotypes, people that you don't know.

And CBR, you're starting to sound Fascist yourself, with the talk of a perfect species.

Relax, all of you. Keep it as a friendly arguement.
Read the economist. We are the hardest working nation in the world.
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Post by Constipated BladeRunner »

Hammer wrote:
i'll try to relax, but he makes it sound as if americans are better because they're fat and have a diffrent calture, how does that make them a better human? i hate arrogancy
And I hate big nosed Jews with chopped peckers that run around killing Palestinian Children for no reason, you blood drinking bastards!
Only one word can descirbe you-
DUMB BIGOTED FUCK reailze that that is three words, yet it is one idea.
Plese forgive my french, but Hammer's comment was MUCH more offensive.
Anyone who knows anything about America knows that a fundemental principal is equality- true, we as a country have sometimes forgotten that and acted in contradiction to it, but it should always be remeberd. America was born on equality and the immigrants who came here becasue of it- not some white southern seperatists.
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-=Felix=- wrote:How ironic it is that a general discussion section of a gaming forum is getting this heated. Kind of sad really. If you have emotions and feelings that you feel need to be displayed, do it on a different forum... Maybe one pertaining to your individual topics.
And I hate big nosed Jews with chopped peckers that run around killing Palestinian Children for no reason, you blood drinking bastards!
Perhaps hammer would prefer "Neo-Nazi's for a Free Palestine"...
Weve touched a former sensative spot.
And you Constipated would probably prefer "Jackasses and Other Dumbshits"

Thats my toss for the moment, definately more to come.
As opposed to left ass queers for a destroyed america :wink:
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Post by Constipated BladeRunner »

Bulldog wrote:
Constipated BladeRunner wrote:THese are the continuous mechinations of our world- nothing new and nothiong that we are not sub-consciously aware of. A US soldier killied on the other hand is not something that happens every day, and I did not see any front pages for that matter
Are you kidding? I hope so. I can't imagine that a soldier getting killed is a shocking concept to anybody.

It is so disturbing to think that the only reason 1 person dying is more important that 3000 is that the one is American.
Of course! You forget that these are 3,000 people that had nothing to do with common America- they wherent here for Kennedy, they where to busy woshipping golden statues in the mind of the normal american. I feel for the masses killed, yet at the same time I feel as much for the American soldier because I am, not alienated from him.
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I see that some guy have freed spirit from the bottle. This topic is begining to be like battlefield... Why are you so harsh? What will it change?! Constipated BladeRunner, you see America as powerful and glorious country. Well, it's your business. I see corruption and it's downfall - this is my business. America is a free country and everybody can think what he want... free enough to support it...

One more thing - there were said that russians are communists. I think that this is compliment... I wish it were true and not some stereotype...
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Sorry if I popped off there, but Hammer really should apologize for that one.
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Haplo wrote:Sorry if I popped off there, but Hammer really should apologize for that one.
He was joking about stereotypes, it was a racist comment only in your eyes.
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There is nothing at all to show me that he was joking or being sarcastic. I will treat it the same way as I do now until I hear the truth from him.
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Post by Hammer »

Oh please are you all THAT stupid? Jesus H Christ, "CHOPPED PECKERS" is hardly a serious racist comment, and if you have ever seen me defend Israel in the past you'd know I was being sarcastic, how come I don't see anybody jumping on Guardian about his stereotyped comments, huh?

And in case you shit birds STILL can't see the point I was making, let me show you. Guardian comes in ranting and raving about all Americans being this and being that, nobody calls him a bigoted racist and tells him to take a hike, however, I make a post with such goofy 'attacks' like chopped peckers and blood drinking Jews and I am taken seriously, basically, I was trying to get my point across that I was not happy with his stereotypes, just like he would not be happy with mine.

Get it?
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Follower wrote:I see that some guy have freed spirit from the bottle. This topic is begining to be like battlefield... Why are you so harsh? What will it change?! Constipated BladeRunner, you see America as powerful and glorious country. Well, it's your business. I see corruption and it's downfall - this is my business. America is a free country and everybody can think what he want... free enough to support it...

One more thing - there were said that russians are communists. I think that this is compliment... I wish it were true and not some stereotype...
The economsit, nor anyone who did not grow up with Kruschev yelling at America "We will bury you" can see a end to america in sight- you must be blind.
Once again I direct you to the economist...
WHICH IS BRITTISH!
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Post by Constipated BladeRunner »

Hammer wrote:Oh please are you all THAT stupid? Jesus H Christ, "CHOPPED PECKERS" is hardly a serious racist comment, and if you have ever seen me defend Israel in the past you'd know I was being sarcastic, how come I don't see anybody jumping on Guardian about his stereotyped comments, huh?

And in case you shit birds STILL can't see the point I was making, let me show you. Guardian comes in ranting and raving about all Americans being this and being that, nobody calls him a bigoted racist and tells him to take a hike, however, I make a post with such goofy 'attacks' like chopped peckers and blood drinking Jews and I am taken seriously, basically, I was trying to get my point across that I was not happy with his stereotypes, just like he would not be happy with mine.

Get it?
Jokes like that are never, ever funny. Ever.
Yes, but we know he is overdramitizing or being sarcastic- however, a crack at the jewish race/ religion is wrong and is never a joke.
Though I dont understand why Guardian is so hostile- If it wasnt for America, the leaders of the free Isrealies would have been hanged and/or stoned.
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Post by Hammer »

How was it a Joke? it was never a joke, I never said it was a joke.

Also, shut the hell up, my grand father died in a German concentration camp.... He fell off his guard tower.
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Constipated BladeRunner wrote: Anyone who knows anything about America knows that a fundemental principal is equality- true, we as a country have sometimes forgotten that and acted in contradiction to it, but it should always be remeberd. America was born on equality and the immigrants who came here becasue of it- not some white southern seperatists.
Iam so proud of myself 8)
Well, what does the following mean to you then?

The man who wrote declaration of independence had over 200 slaves and often raped the female ones, the "freedom" he wrote about was the freedom of white, rich males. That social class didn't give a shit 'bout the rest. So that's the basis what USA has been built on.
Hammer wrote:How was it a Joke? it was never a joke, I never said it was a joke.

Also, shut the hell up, my grand father died in a German concentration camp.... He fell off his guard tower.
Actually... That's the funniest and smartest thing Hammer has said so far. :?
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Actually... That's the funniest and smartest thing Hammer has said so far
I have yet to see you do either.
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Post by Hammer »

Well, what does the following mean to you then?

The man who wrote declaration of independence had over 200 slaves and often raped the female ones, the "freedom" he wrote about was the freedom of white, rich males. That social class didn't give a shit 'bout the rest. So that's the basis what USA has been built on.
Heh, Jefferson was only known to have relationships with ONE slave, that was Sally Hemming, though, it has never been proven that he raped her.

Also, I seem to believe that in the Civil War thousands of white Americans fought to free the slaves, the word abolitionist comes to mind.
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from sept 11th to the constitution.
"And when he gets to heaven
To St. Peter he will tell
one more soldier reporting, Sir.
I've served my time in hell."
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Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of War.
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Hammer wrote:Also, I seem to believe that in the Civil War thousands of white Americans fought to free the slaves, the word abolitionist comes to mind.
But it's just like TheSuitCaseMan said it:

"We love you! As long as you won't move into our neighborhood!"

And if I remember right 'freeing slaves' wasn't the #1 thing in North's mind when the war started...

Alas when movies and televisions spread through the continent, no one wanted to pay for seeing a swell guy. So that's why it's so fucking marvelous that Halle Berry won that oscar :? - blacks have been opressed to this day in the so called land of freedom.

And what does this have to do with 9/11 ? The question is:

Is U S A a land worth fighting for?
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Post by Hammer »

Decleration of Independence
And if I remember right 'freeing slaves' wasn't the #1 thing in North's mind when the war started...
The Civil War's beginnings had roots back into the original drafting of the constitution when the southern states (mostly Virginia then) held political power. One can argue endlessly about the causes of the Civil War and just about everyone will be correct to some extent. The issue of slavery held great emotion in the mid 1860's. But so did State's rights. By the time Lincoln was elected national politics were so polarized over a range of issues it seems there would be no going back without war. That is not to say war was inevitable, but rather, those were extraordinarily difficult political times. When Lincoln was elected the results demonstrated extreme sectionalism and the southern states saw that their political power was on the wane. Even before Lincoln was sworn in, many of the states in the south had formed the Confederacy and Jefferson Davis was the Confedrate President. Fort Sumter might have been the location of the first real shots fired in the Civil War (and it may not have been) but the first action was at Fort Moultrie. There the Union Army retreated and gave up the fort without a contest, moving into the still unfinished Fort Sumter which the confederates wanted because it held a key position in Charleston Harbor. And the Fort Sumter action took place before Lincoln was sworn in.
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