Sept. 11 and the War on Terror: Bullshit or Patriotism?

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:22 am

A nice news flash, haven't much studied the Civil War. But the Suitcaseman-quote still fits in here...

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:25 am

Alas when movies and televisions spread through the continent, no one wanted to pay for seeing a swell guy. So that's why it's so fucking marvelous that Halle Berry won that oscar - blacks have been opressed to this day in the so called land of freedom.

America is the only place where a Black Man can get millions of dollars for throwing a ball in to a basket, America is the only place where a Black Man is allowed to riot and burn down shops when they get pissed, America is the only place where under qualified Blacks can get jobs just because they are Black, America is the only place where Blacks can get welfare before White Americans, America is the only place where Blacks can kill a white man and get a lesser sentence than if a white man had killed a black. I'd say the black man has it good in America.

Your logic is flawed, you don't live here, I would fight for the USA, and I have.

FireWolf · Post by **FireWolf** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:35 am

.... why are the Irish so poorly mistreated?

lets hear some sympathy for the Irish. poor buggers.

anyway, this thread has gone off at a tangent and will end up in a flame war... as this kind of debate always does.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:42 am

-Bold the things that do happen elsewhere as well-
-Underline the things that are simply wrong-
??? -Question Mark the things you don't understand- ???

Hammer wrote:
America is the only place where a Black Man can get millions of dollars for throwing a ball in to a basket, ???America is the only place where a Black Man is allowed to riot and burn down shops when they get pissed???, America is the only place where under qualified Blacks can get jobs just because they are Black, America is the only place where Blacks can get welfare before White Americans, America is the only place where Blacks can kill a white man and get a lesser sentence than if a white man had killed a black. I'd say the black man has it good in America.

Some of those aren't so strange things even in the comfy Finland, Hammer. USA isn't the belly button of the world...

Your logic is flawed, you don't live here, I would fight for the USA, and I have.

And where exactly, if I may ask?

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:45 am

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:47 am

See Kaskkuck, you said that Blacks were opressed in the USA, and I gave you reasons why they were not.

Oh and yes Blacks do get a lesser sentence, when I a white man does it, its considered a Hate crime.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:48 am

Hammer wrote: America is the only place where a Black Man can get millions of dollars for throwing a ball in to a basket

Opposed to how a white man can get millions for dollars for running up a field with a ball?

America is the only place where a Black Man is allowed to riot and burn down shops when they get pissed

Yeah, in my town more or less the same thing happened, except with asian people. They started shit with selling drugs and killing people, white people burned down a pub, riots broke out and white poeple get the blame.

America is the only place where under qualified Blacks can get jobs just because they are Black

In england under-qualifyed women can be fire-fighters because they are women. It's not fair, but at least it's PC, and that's important, right?

blargrgagdashdgashhahahafasdavfvsdfvgfhgh yeah.

FireWolf · Post by **FireWolf** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:50 am

In England we have too many old people. its why our NHS is fuckerd up

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:50 am

You seem to miss the point of my reply, Kasluck says blacks are still oppressed, for a so called oppressed race they sure do get a lot of benifits.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:00 am

America is the only place where a Black Man can get millions of dollars for throwing a ball in to a basket,

NBA is pretty popular, i don't know of any foreign basket ball groups.

???America is the only place where a Black Man is allowed to riot and burn down shops when they get pissed???

LA Riots, etc etc, the blacks arrested basically got a slap on the wrist. They riot when ever things don't go there way.

America is the only place where under qualified Blacks can get jobs just because they are Black

Affirmative Action I believe it is called.

America is the only place where Blacks can get welfare before White Americans

Happens here, I've read about it and seen it with my own eyes.

America is the only place where Blacks can kill a white man and get a lesser sentence than if a white man had killed a black

In Amerca if a white man kills a black its called a hate crime, the white guy gets a stiffer sentence.

I'd say the black man has it good in America

You did not under line that, so I guess you agree with me.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:03 am

Hammer wrote:You seem to miss the point of my reply, Kasluck says blacks are still oppressed, for a so called oppressed race they sure do get a lot of benifits.

And I still can't understand how a man of such a high-level intelligence can't type my nick right :roll:

Nor do I understand that when I try to explain step-by-step everything to you, you seem to ignore everything I've written and give your own versions instead...

I tried to state, that America isn't the nest of freedom. Such things, like black getting welfare easier than white, happen all 'round the Europe.

But I don't fully agree on "rougher judgements on whiteys". What about those 25 years in prison for black guy dropping a tv on white police officer's toes when he's been surprised while breaking into an electronics store? And at the same time white dude gets a fine for beating up a black guy nearly to death?

My logic isn't flawed - it's your country that is flawed.

FireWolf · Post by **FireWolf** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:10 am

now that picture is just plain stupid.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:16 am

You think so? Well I don't. End of the story.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:19 am

Crime, corruption and unjust happens everywhere in the world. There is no such thing as 'perfect society'. There are examples like that in every 'civilized' country.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:24 am

The only way to have a perfect society is to kill everyone on earth with a modifyed chemical. Then the selected people can set up some kind of mobile city in a briefcase.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:28 am

Nor do I understand that when I try to explain step-by-step everything to you, you seem to ignore everything I've written and give your own versions instead...

Oh I never ignore you, what did you try to explain? I argued every one of your 'thought up' arguments with facts, you just can't seem to handle that.

You are the only one who wishes to ignore me when I put forth a solid fact and not admit you were wrong, I, when proved wrong (which is rare) admit I was wrong.

But I don't fully agree on "rougher judgements on whiteys". What about those 25 years in prison for black guy dropping a tv on white police officer's toes when he's been surprised while breaking into an electronics store? And at the same time white dude gets a fine for beating up a black guy nearly to death?

Proof of the TV part please, oh, and the latest white guy that punched a black man during an arrest lost his job and is being sued.

Don't play with fire.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:34 am

FireWolf wrote:now that picture is just plain stupid.

I think so, but he seems to be resorting to all he has left, he rant out of 'facts' before he even started.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:38 am

To Vasikka

Very true.

Even the most primitive tribes need to handle things like *crime* and *corruption* although in a lot smaller scale. That's called "human nature"

To Hammer

Knew you (or some other godblessamericanos-dudeson, there seems to be an infinite source of 'em...) would post that sooner or later... I actually thought 'bout editing the above picture more fitting for my needs, but ended up it being too damn time-eating.

Well by now you've only stated how right you are and everyone else's wrong.

I said that the following quote is not true, because this happens in other countries as well.

America is the only place where under qualified Blacks can get jobs just because they are Black

or

America is the only place where Blacks can get welfare before White Americans

And then you answered:

Affirmative Action I believe it is called.

Happens here, I've read about it and seen it with my own eyes.

I'd call it lack of interest in other people's writing, the "my belly-button is the whole world"-syndrome.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:42 am

I'd call it lack of interest in other people's writing, the "my belly-button is the whole world"-syndrome.

Your writing does interest me, it's so damn stupid it entertains me.

I did not say it 'ONLY HAPPENS HERE' after you told me it happens there, you seem to wish I had said that.

So, by saying "affirmative action" I was referring to what it was called, and I said "it happens here", meaning that in fact, it does happen here.

So hard to understand?

Well by now you've only stated how right you are and everyone else's wrong

Glad you agree

Follower · Post by **Follower** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 4:01 am

Pyro - the best way to create a perfect society is to kill everybody. Dead doesn't complain, doesn't make crimes, doesn't need anything.

Show me the guy, who think that America is the fully free. Are you nuts or overlisten Bush with his constant patriotic speeches, because he has nothing else to say... Our world wasn't free, it isn't free and it willn't be free in the future. You can believe to our leaders that we are free, but I heard it from Stalin, Lenin... Hitler... What the difference. They all fuck us, one is stronger than others... That's the main difference. One guy in dark ages said:
"Man born free, but he is in chains everywhere" - all this slavery stuff sounds nice. When I look all around now, I have a feeling, that we need now to protect white people... and poor men too. Terrible women took all our life space

(Sarcasm) Really, America is little too concern about their black people... oh, I even afraid to talk about them. Everybody will look at me like terrble rasist. So, I'll say that I don't care about it... and I am not offended by colour of skin... What does it change? This is only skin, nothing more?! But people like to seek enemy everywhere. I don't say that there is no rasism in America. White... and black alike are doing it and there is no difference. Have you ever seen shop for black's only. I saw it and don't say me that I am blind. Of course, may be it was only a sign, but when I tried to buy something there I was fucked. The same stuff with white guys... I don't know how America lives with all that shit - in every words they are looking for rasism... I hope GG willn't read my post. He is rather nervous person.

Constipated... - I don't know what to say and I don't want to; so I'll simply shut up. I am tired of that useless dialogue. I am 18 years old and I wasn't so lucky to hear Kchrushev. He was funny man, but nervous... He destroyed all that blasted labor camps, free millions of people, said the truth about Stalin... He was a good man, but bad leader...

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