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truenow, some of you think france is very anti semetic... its true, but only because it has a big muslim population, plus they're not realy "pro israel" so it adds up...
rambo: where do you live in israel?
Don't you think the Government would find it fitting to keep an eye on somebody they knew owned various Military firearms? Or how much ammo they buy a year? That is also infringing on the first amendment.I for one am not as afraid of the government knowing what firearms you know as I am afraid of the government being able to accuse you of "crimes against the state" or some such bullshit. Keeping track of weapons which are designed to kill is one thing. Keeping track of thoughts and beliefs is another.
Maybe you have a problem reading, maybe you choose not to read what I posted - what I said was in a joking thread, and I clarified it was joking in the same post, however, Kashluck was so desperate to find something to hold against me he chose something as foolish as that.saying china is evil was stupid, true, and i dont like patriotism either, but its an opinion, still, the whole china thing is stupid
The thread's title was stupid to begin with, going to war is not a matter of patriotism but rather defense, should have been "The War on terror, Justified reaction to attacks or unjustified war?"Well, isn't this thread exactly about that. War on Terrorism is bull. People have begun blaiming nations and people leaning to WoT, US has been harrasing arabs leaning to WoT, US decided to revive DDR from the grave leaning to WoT....
According to you, the Government keeping track of civilians purchasing firearms was not a big concern, I suppose you changed your mind?Myself, I'd rather cut this off before we're royally fucked. Prevent the government from ever being able to keep track of your travel, your purchases, your communications with friends....
Who flew the 2 planes in to the WTC? Me thinks they were Arabs. Would you not agree that it makes more sense to check over an Arab man in an airport rather than checking an old lady?It appears, however, that Arabs are now the official scapegoat of the US. They're the ones stopped more often at airports, they're immediately blamed for any major catastrophe (or maybe you don't remember how we blamed them immediately after Oklahoma City) and there've been numerous cases of firebombings and anonymous threats and on Arab-owned stores.
ahi, coolam antishemim, ze rak mida shel kamarambo wrote:
true
but england is anti semetic too
iam from HOLON city (near tel-aviv so they will know)
Well however you put it its better than under the Taliban, right? So why take this line of argument?By now, there's nothing that could be done. Even after September 11, there was nothing we could have done. Right now we have what's essentially a puppet government set up in Afghanistan (and if you think we'll be allowing democratic elections, you're just naive)
Nicely stated!I for one am not as afraid of the government knowing what firearms you know as I am afraid of the government being able to accuse you of "crimes against the state" or some such bullshit. Keeping track of weapons which are designed to kill is one thing. Keeping track of thoughts and beliefs is another.
And correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't Pakistan sponsor it's fair share of terrorism against India?
Interesting. And well analysed.Get real, they just call it that because War on Terrorists isn't as catchy. If it was really just a war on terror, we'd be researching drugs to deaden the terror emotion in people or something like that. This isn't a war on emotion, it's a war against people who use an emotion to further their ends.
I think that he may well believe what he's saying. God help us all...Do you really believe that bullshit propaganda you're spewing?
Yes, happy you think so. You shouldn't read so much into alarmist news articles. Remember, when they show some group of fruit bars from some far-away country that, just like in your homeland, they are a minority.Okay, the whole UNITED FASCIST EUROPE was a little overstated
Please, don't be stupid. You're thinking in terms of weapons, and not people and politics. The Fins have already shown themselves not to be a walkover where Russian/Soviet invasion is concerned. If your arguments her worked then the US would have succeeded in Vietnam in one or two years.though you must remember that by the 1960's russia had napalm which could pretty much burn down all possible defenses, and ski-troops would not be as effective against T-72's.
See above and, the view regarding 9/11 is only shared among extremists. Most people in the middle east were horrified by the attacks.The U.S does not feel comfortable with arab NATIONS, NOT THE RACE because of the aweful human rights and the fact that common knoladge in most of the middle east (save maybe Turkey) is that the Jews hijacked planes on 9/11, not Arabs because arabs dont do that! Also, as everyone knows, 10,000 Jews moved out of the WTC area on 9/10!
*plonk*How dare anyone defend the arab nations!
I can only agree with the underlined one... At that time, US claimed that it didn't care a shit about Europe's situation
Or the ambulance thingy... You can kill as much people as you want, but if the guy doesn't die and gets in the ambulance he's not allowed to be shot at Does that make any sense to you guys?
I guess that my version of history is flawed then, and Lisbon, Stockholm, Reykjavik, Dublin, Geneva and Madrid were invaded during the war.(Helsinki, Moscow and London - the only european capitals that weren't invaded in WW2)
Yes, lots of nasty agreements were made after WW2. The one that sticks most in my mind is the handing back of the Soviets who were serving with the Germans to the USSR. A shabby way for us to treat people.You know, CCCP and USA were allies in WW2, you guys were actually "partners in crime", when Soviets tried to make Finland an Eastern Block- country! If you're confused: I mean the time when the allied supervisory committee was controlling Finland.
Don't be a fuckwit, OTB is talking about unconnected things. Shit, he’s not even necessarily saying that gulf war 2 was wrong overall.OnTheBounce wrote:
you've never seen any of this shit w/your own eyes, either. Back in '91 I saw little Iraqi kids lying on the side of the road where shrapnel from American bombs had killed them. Were they enemies of the state, or just "collateral damage"?
And all those people just going to a normal day at work during peace-time deserved to die? Why yes, in your opinion I'm sure they did.
You will find anti-Semitism in nearly every country. So what? You'll also find all manner of other bigoted attitudes. From my experience of actually living in the UK, only a few people are anti-Semitic, and no-one listens to them because they are morons.true
but england is anti semetic too
I think that I'm getting a bit confused here, too many posts, but IMO non pro-Israel doesn't necessarily equal anti-Semitic. Please clarify this for menow, some of you think france is very anti semetic... its true, but only because it has a big muslim population, plus they're not realy "pro israel" so it adds up...
Egypt is considerd a "non fundementalist" and common belief is that Jews did it to get us angry at the arabs. I saved Turkey from these groups because Turkey is very, very diffirent, and is more West than East in many ways, suprisingly. 
Okay, I've been watching the thread from afar (not posting, just reading). Now, taking the ENTIRE thread with Hammer and his military history that seeps into almost all his posts, Kashluk and the burning flag controversy, CBR and his bullshit propoganda and unthinking devotion to the US (hey, I live there too)...Constipated BladeRunner wrote: Also, Hagia Sophia is the most beautiful place on earth
Well it seems my-belly-button-syndrome to me :roll:James wrote:Kashluk:
I can only agree with the underlined one... At that time, US claimed that it didn't care a shit about Europe's situation
Many did care, but until Pearl their hands were mostly tied by the isolationists.
But it's like Hammer said : crap to bring politics into the battlefield. The same person you were trying to kill 5 seconds ago is now *wounded* and deserves to be *protected*? It is missing the logic somehow...James wrote:Or the ambulance thingy... You can kill as much people as you want, but if the guy doesn't die and gets in the ambulance he's not allowed to be shot at Does that make any sense to you guys?
Yes. Don't be a tit, you would want this kind of thing on your side if you ever had to go to war. Someone who is wounded, and therefore unable to fight, is not a threat to their opposition. This is quite different to other "controversial" scenarios like retreating forces (read Basra) becoming targets.
Oops, sorry, should've been - the only capitals of nations which took part in ww2 and were not invaded - :oops:James wrote:I guess that my version of history is flawed then, and Lisbon, Stockholm, Reykjavik, Dublin, Geneva and Madrid were invaded during the war.(Helsinki, Moscow and London - the only european capitals that weren't invaded in WW2)
Yup... Although the supervisory committee was 75% soviet union officials, it still was called the allied committee. That's why the harsh comment 'bout your proletarian acts.James wrote:Yes, lots of nasty agreements were made after WW2. The one that sticks most in my mind is the handing back of the Soviets who were serving with the Germans to the USSR. A shabby way for us to treat people.You know, CCCP and USA were allies in WW2, you guys were actually "partners in crime", when Soviets tried to make Finland an Eastern Block- country! If you're confused: I mean the time when the allied supervisory committee was controlling Finland.
At least Finland judges your actions against the palestinians... but noone's (and I mean no one) shouting in the streets "Die Jews, Die!"the guardian wrote:if the country doesnt support us, our actions and such(if the goverment "hate" us), then that might effects its citizens into a general belief that we're bad, or evil, or some nagative thought of that sense... and since jews are assosiated with israel(which is just ofcourse, the majority are jews), it usualy wakes up antisementic believes and thoughts...
Yeah, it is not so much a that I love America, it is just I think it is very good for the entire world to have 1 superpower, drasticlly reducing any chance of world wide nuclear war.Constipated BladeRunner wrote:During the Commie scare, many people where killied because of a dream.
We had slaves.
We are in some ways cultrally opressive- anyone who has ever been to lakeforst will know this
We are an inderct democracy, meaning that it is not a singel dictator, but a whole group of them!
Though, I think overall America is a step in the right direction- now you have 1 superpower that means very little chance of world wide nuclear war, not to mention the fact that we peacekeep the world most of the time- though I think we should do something about Africa and the middle east
give 'em timeAt least Finland judges your actions against the palestinians... but noone's (and I mean no one) shouting in the streets "Die Jews, Die!"
but seriously, thats right, no one does, they just hate us for being israelis now, not jews... progress in action!Good piont, only history has proven that it is more likely to have 2 superpowers starting a war than 1 superpower against not as powerful countries- look at WW1.the guardian wrote:give 'em timeAt least Finland judges your actions against the palestinians... but noone's (and I mean no one) shouting in the streets "Die Jews, Die!"
btw, quoting constipated
it is just I think it is very good for the entire world to have 1 superpower, drasticlly reducing any chance of world wide nuclear war
nice, but no cigar: no one wants a tyrian over their heads telling them what to do. having america as a "superpower" directing other countries actions will only push them into doing that kinda stuff....
plus america isnt pure or anything, no one cant promise you'll behave... power corrups, is it?
also, the only reason why you "love" arab nations, is because you need their oil
This is also why the US won't go to war with China any time soon: where would they then get cheap manufactured goods? And the converse is true, China may sabre rattle about America all they like, but there not going to get those US dollars fro their exports from anywhere else.plus america isnt pure or anything, no one cant promise you'll behave... power corrups, is it?
also, the only reason why you "love" arab nations, is because you need their oil
Not necessarily protected. Not shooting at an enemy casualty and protecting him are two different things.But it's like Hammer said : crap to bring politics into the battlefield. The same person you were trying to kill 5 seconds ago is now *wounded* and deserves to be *protected*? It is missing the logic somehow...
I think they hate Jewish people too, they pretty much hate everyone.The so called "fear of jews taking over" seems to have been forgotten to the pages of history in Europe. Today the racist movement aims against black, asian and east european minority groups only.
Erm, no. The US/RVN lost in Vietnam because of many complex issues. But those aren’t them. And the USSR did make the same mistake in Afghanistan in the '80s.We lost in Vietnam because we set totally arbitrary "no fly zones" and conscrpts only lasted 1 year. Russia does not make the same mistake. Afghanistan had American wepons to repel the invasion, too.
I doubt this is as widespread as you seem to think. Most people in the world have some use of their brains and can deduce that this is steaming bullshit. On that note, don't you think that it would be useful to recognise such bullshit when you hear it? You seem to take a lot of this type of stuff to heart.Egypt is considerd a "non fundementalist" and common belief is that Jews did it to get us angry at the arabs.
But I'm not sure if it does. We may have got lots of arms cuts and a drastic reduction in posture level, but this is at the expense of security, especially in the former USSR. There has been some rather dangerous talk from some in the US of actually using nuclear weapons now that the cold war is over.it is just I think it is very good for the entire world to have 1 superpower, drasticlly reducing any chance of world wide nuclear war.
Well, at least we both agree, that it's pretty silly to have such logics in the battlefield, where you've come to kill right? Alas, I'll never understand that.James wrote:Not necessarily protected. Not shooting at an enemy casualty and protecting him are two different things.But it's like Hammer said : crap to bring politics into the battlefield. The same person you were trying to kill 5 seconds ago is now *wounded* and deserves to be *protected*? It is missing the logic somehow...
Missing logic maybe, but there’s no reason not to avoid attacking casualties when it doesn’t hurt your people to do so. It's obviously not applicable to do in many situations however.
James wrote:I think they hate Jewish people too, they pretty much hate everyone.The so called "fear of jews taking over" seems to have been forgotten to the pages of history in Europe. Today the racist movement aims against black, asian and east european minority groups only.
That's pretty fricking true 
Generally, super powers against small nations fighting guerilla war usually ends up humiliating the super power. The third example besides Afganistan & Vietnam could be the Winter War.James wrote:CBR:
Erm, no. The US/RVN lost in Vietnam because of many complex issues. But those aren’t them. And the USSR did make the same mistake in Afghanistan in the '80s.We lost in Vietnam because we set totally arbitrary "no fly zones" and conscrpts only lasted 1 year. Russia does not make the same mistake. Afghanistan had American wepons to repel the invasion, too.
